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encumbered position 19:32 <+roasbeef> ksipa is meaningless, there is only weight 19:32 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning orange_, yes, if D in that case denies that it was paid, nothing A can do 19:32 < ZmnSCPxj> This is balanced out by the fact that A will never release funds to B if it does not receive proof-of-payment from B 19:33 < ZmnSCPxj> so if B remains stalled indefinitely, A can take back its timed-out funds 19:33 < ZmnSCPxj> D is paid, but A pays nothing 19:33 < ZmnSCPxj> leaving B with the bill 19:33 < ZmnSCPxj> so in such a case, A will not release funds and has lost nothing 19:34 < ZmnSCPxj> (except possibly onchain fees if B remains nuked and A cannot close unilaterally) 19:34 < ZmnSCPxj> (sorry, I meant A cannot close mutually) 19:36 < ZmnSCPxj> Thus for timely behavior, you should limit the maximum delay you allow on your payments 19:36 < ZmnSCPxj> Delay is measured in blocks, however 19:36 -!- moneyball [~moneyball@c-73-223-73-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 19:37 < ZmnSCPxj> This actually makes use of Lightning for mining share payouts somewhat difficult, as enforcement takes several blocks, but we really want mining share claims to be sub-block 19:37 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:39 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39 < molz> if we had to change 'weight' to 'ksipa' we would have to change 'bech32' to something else because 'BCH' means 'bech32' and 'bcash' .. lol :P 19:39 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 19:41 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 19:41 < ZmnSCPxj> bech32 => sipa32 19:41 < ZmnSCPxj> weight => sipa 19:42 < ZmnSCPxj> this will be enforced by the machine army 19:42 < ZmnSCPxj> of which I am not a memver 19:42 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Client Quit] 19:42 < molz> what machine army? the internet computer? mETH? 19:43 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 19:43 < ZmnSCPxj> There is no machine army 19:43 < ZmnSCPxj> and if there was, I am not a memver 19:43 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Client Quit] 19:45 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 19:47 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 19:52 < molz> :P 19:53 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 19:58 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 20:00 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has 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