--- Day changed Fri May 11 2018 00:10 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10 -!- madacol [~Thunderbi@181.56.216.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bd657.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 00:37 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 00:38 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.static.v4.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 00:52 -!- charlton_ [~charlton@189.160.128.189] has joined #lightning-dev 00:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 00:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 00:56 -!- Dev91 [~quassel@203.86.206.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57 -!- Dev91 [~quassel@203.86.206.137] has joined #lightning-dev 01:17 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 01:31 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 01:33 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 01:33 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 01:37 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:42 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 01:46 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 02:22 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 02:28 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has joined #lightning-dev 02:35 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 02:39 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 02:40 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 02:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:51 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 03:00 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 03:01 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning yaslama, unfortunately that is not safe until SIGHASH_NOINPUT is added to the base layer and we update BOLT spec to use it 03:02 < ZmnSCPxj> The order of operations should be: 1. Make but do not sign funding tx 2. Make and sign commitment transaction 3. Sign funding tx and broadcast 03:02 -!- riclas [~riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 03:02 < ZmnSCPxj> unfortunately ordinary wallets always do "make and sign and broadcast' so the process skips over the important step #2 03:03 < ZmnSCPxj> Alternatively we could just give a bech32 address we control, wait for it to get funded, then use it entirely as the channel funds, but that is an extra transaction 03:04 < ZmnSCPxj> which might not be what you want 03:04 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Client Quit] 03:07 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has joined #lightning-dev 03:16 < yaslama> Hi ZmnSCPxj. Thanks a lot for the explanation. So if we want to add support for a the channel creation to a non-LN wallet, we can give it the (non signed) funding tx and let it sign it, then broadcast it ? 03:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:20 < yaslama> After we did 1 and 2 03:20 < yaslama> By we I mean a ln client 03:21 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 03:26 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:27 < bitonic-cjp> Would it be possible for parties that don't fully trust each other to cooperatively run a single Lightning node where its owned funds are e.g. under 2-of-3 multisig rules? 03:29 < bitonic-cjp> The interface between the funding tx and the commit tx would have to be something like [2 of k_peer and [2 of k_1 and k_2 and k_3]]. 03:30 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 03:35 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:46 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:49 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:49 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 03:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:55 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:56 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:04 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:13 -!- piet5211 [53a20246@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.162.2.70] has joined #lightning-dev 04:15 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has joined #lightning-dev 04:17 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@37.58.58.232] has quit [Client Quit] 04:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 04:20 < yaslama> Hi ZmnSCPxj. Sorry again. 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ZZZzzz…] 11:42 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44 < arubi> roasbeef, any plans to rebase sighash_noinput reference on top of a more recent core version? SerializeInput has changed to only take &s and nInput as parameters, nType is gone and nVersion is no longer passed to ::Serialize. I'm trying out just passing COutPoint() when applicable; I'm guessing it'll work but maybe I missed that an implementation exists somewhere on a recent version 11:44 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 11:46 -!- madacol [~Thunderbi@181.56.216.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 11:49 -!- Guest58550 [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:a486:c849:7773:b176] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:51 -!- moneyball [~moneyball@65.200.72.90] has joined #lightning-dev 11:52 < arubi> hmm nope, "Signature hash type missing or not understood" . wonder where it went wrong 11:54 < arubi> I'm passing 0x41 for sighash, I think that should be noinput_all, but probably I just missed something in my blind attempt to add noinput to 0.15.1 11:57 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 12:07 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 12:13 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14 -!- charlton_ [~charlton@189.160.128.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 12:16 -!- charlton_ [~charlton@189.160.128.189] has joined #lightning-dev 12:18 -!- fafaynk [58f59462@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.245.148.98] has joined #lightning-dev 12:18 < fafaynk> hi all, i have a problem 12:19 < fafaynk> when i try to run my c-lightning node 12:19 < fafaynk> its failed 12:19 < fafaynk> 2018-05-11T19:14:59.741Z lightningd(1): Listening on 'lightning-rpc' 2018-05-11T19:14:59.742Z lightning_gossipd(15): STATUS_FAIL_INTERNAL_ERROR: Failed to bind on 2 socket: Cannot assign requested address lightningd: lightning_gossipd failed (exit status 242), exiting. 12:19 < fafaynk> what does it means? 12:20 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 12:22 < fafaynk> i run it with docker 12:22 < fafaynk> docker run --rm --name lightning --network container:bitcoind_mainnet -v /scratch/bitcoin/mainnet/bitcoind:/root/.bitcoin -v /scratch/bitcoin/mainnet/clightning:/root/.lightning --entrypoint /usr/bin/lightningd cdecker/lightningd:latest --network=bitcoin --log-level=debug --alias=ALIAS --addr=IP --rgb=6b0000 12:30 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- arowser_ [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lightning-dev 12:33 <+roasbeef> arubi: the versino i made, and what's beign proposed a diff 12:33 <+roasbeef> signing input value wasn't a thing when i wrote those initial implementations 12:33 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 12:33 <+roasbeef> and also it signed the public key script being sent, while the more recent versino dosn't and just relies on witness satisfiability 12:34 < arubi> right, not signing the script is really the highlight 12:34 <+roasbeef> arubi: i think cdecker has a branch built on 0.16 for bitcoind with a start of his implementation 12:34 < arubi> cool, I'll look into that 12:34 <+roasbeef> well it just makes it a bit looser 12:34 <+roasbeef> things still work if you sign the script 12:34 <+roasbeef> it's just a stronger version of binding 12:34 < arubi> not covenants :) 12:34 < arubi> not signing the pubkey, either as the prevtxid or as the script really allows for interesting things 12:34 <+roasbeef> no input doesn't really let you do covenants in the traditional sense 12:35 < arubi> well, if you pay to a scriptpubkey " checksig" then you can have crude covenants 12:35 <+roasbeef> yeh which is why i'm suggesting just creating a super set of more liberal sighash flags, from whcih no_input can be implemented itself 12:35 < arubi> right, like jl2012's witness v1. I liked it a lot 12:35 <+roasbeef> can already have "crude covenents" in the form of off-chain multi-sig transactions 12:35 <+roasbeef> like we already do for the 2-layer htlc stuff 12:37 < arubi> sure, once you and the other person are in a 2-of-2 then you can assert anything beforehand 12:37 < arubi> but I think we can have a lot of fun with noinput :) 12:37 <+roasbeef> oh yeh less binding sighash flags are dope 12:38 <+roasbeef> arubi: 2-of-2 as in presigned txns that force particualr redemption paths on chain 12:39 < arubi> yes, still need to count on hash preimages for backout for the very first payment into the 2-of-2 right? 12:39 <+roasbeef> depends 12:39 <+roasbeef> was speaking generally 12:39 <+roasbeef> you basically enforce a state machine that must be taken for redemption 12:39 <+roasbeef> atm requires additional storage 12:39 <+roasbeef> while proper covenants wouldn't 12:40 < arubi> what I'm interested in is a backout out of a 2of2 asserting a reveal of a secret, we use hash preimages in atomic swaps 12:41 < arubi> with noinput, you can assert signature nonce re-use, basically the secret is only revealed to the second participant and not the whole network 12:41 < arubi> so when a backout is used, the two backouts aren't link-able 12:41 <+roasbeef> well scriptless script type stuff would work in that situation, no? 12:41 < arubi> right, that too 12:41 <+roasbeef> which can be done today 12:42 <+roasbeef> with a bit heaver machinary 12:42 < arubi> I don't grok the math behind it completely yet.. eventually I will :) 12:42 <+roasbeef> ahh see what you mean w.r.t nnonce reuse 12:42 < arubi> https://gist.github.com/fivepiece/d311b4621edb0149847d8c43e62fe52c#file-simpler_priv_swap-md , third file in this paste is what I mean 12:43 <+roasbeef> lol the ecdsa 2pc stuff is kinda cray: alice encrypts her EC private key using a public key additive homormophic cryptosystem, then bob uses her encrypted private key to complete half a sig, then sends to alice who decrypts and finalizes 12:43 <+roasbeef> gotcha will check it out 12:44 <+roasbeef> goal is to do a coin swap that isn't trivially linked on chain? 12:44 < arubi> or better - only set the backouts from a 2-of-2 to be like that. if the swap is successful, the backouts don't happen and only the 2-of-2's are broadcast 12:44 < arubi> which use two pairs of different pubs anyway 12:45 <+roasbeef> could also go like the zk proof route, the whole i'll reveal x s.t x xor k, is your preimage, i give you k, and prove i know h(x) which is used in script 12:46 < arubi> oh that's interesting.. I was only thinking about enforcing these things in script itself 12:47 <+roasbeef> well you would, we'd negotiate this off chain 12:47 <+roasbeef> then execution happens in script, with bob knowing that if alice does her job, then he gets his funds 12:48 < arubi> so you zk proof that a hash preimage can be xor'd to get an image that's set in script? is that correct? 12:48 < arubi> sk prove* 12:49 <+roasbeef> yeh 12:49 < arubi> man, I gotta get up to speed with that magic. 12:50 -!- madacol [~Thunderbi@181.56.216.44] has joined #lightning-dev 12:50 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55 -!- madacol [~Thunderbi@181.56.216.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55 -!- madacol [~Thunderbi@181.56.216.44] has joined #lightning-dev 12:56 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 12:57 -!- fafaynk [58f59462@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.245.148.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:57 -!- anome 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