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lightningconductor.net now running on mainnet. Allows you to easily convert ln->btc and btc->ln without closing/opening channels. Also good when you want to create in incoming balance - see help for details. 14:56 <+roasbeef> n1bor: it's purely trusted, why should anyone use it? there're many variants that achieve the very same functionality, but are based soley on contracts 15:02 < n1bor> Are any running on MainNet? I saw submarineswaps on Testnet. But most normal people need to trust that too - as need to trust the code is correct. 15:03 < n1bor> Trust is only short term - i.e. till that tx is settled. Is not like trusting a wallet who holds your coins longterm. 15:04 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04 < lndbot1> Trusting the code is correct is kind of different from custodial 15:05 -!- madacol [~madacol@181.56.216.44] has joined #lightning-dev 15:07 < lndbot1> I’m not targeting Bitcoin <> Bitcoin swaps too much because of channel splicing / dual funded channel arrangements that are in development but in theory it could go on mainnet 15:09 <+roasbeef> n1bor: diff there is that it's actually fully enforced 15:09 <+roasbeef> also either direction is extremly slow 15:10 <+roasbeef> n1bor: i send you the money, you can chose what to do at that point, that's trust, i trust you (some random stranger on the internet) to Do The Right Thing^tm 15:10 <+roasbeef> whole point of this stuff is to minimize the trust by relying on contracts to ensure faithful execution 15:11 < n1bor> Same with submarineswap.org - I trust you a random stranger on the internet that you actually did what you said. You may be able to read the code and tell but 99.999999999% of people can't - so have to trust. 15:12 < n1bor> Trust is something that can be built - you send 1c then $1 then $100... 15:13 < n1bor> Sorry - think I had 1 too many 9's ;) 15:14 <+roasbeef> n1bor: no, you can look at the scripts being used 15:14 <+roasbeef> your scheme is fully custodial 15:15 < n1bor> looking is one thing - understanding if they do what they say is another. Most people have to take that on trust/reputation. 15:19 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 15:19 <+roasbeef> n1bor: what if i told you....we have these contracts that execute in an automated fashion with full integrity 15:20 <+roasbeef> so no need to trust and induvidual to execute them faithfully 15:34 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #lightning-dev 16:00 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 16:21 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 16:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33 -!- madacol [~madacol@181.56.216.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:38 -!- madacol [~madacol@181.56.216.44] has joined #lightning-dev 16:40 -!- madacol [~madacol@181.56.216.44] has quit [Read error: Connection 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AFAICT, putting [regtest] into our config file for lightning makes master bitcoind work, breaks every other version. 21:53 < rusty> See https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/1511 22:00 -!- simlay1 [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:11 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined #lightning-dev 22:12 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ool-44c11be6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:15 -!- simlay1 [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 22:17 -!- yaslama [~yaslama@bzq-218-78-150.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: yaslama] 22:19 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 22:24 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:29 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:32 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@ool-44c11be6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined #lightning-dev 22:46 < aj> rusty: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11862 22:49 < aj> rusty: doing '-rpcport={}'.format(rpcport) as a command line argument and just avoiding the config file would work with both, unless i'm missing something 22:54 < aj> rusty: oh, rpcport on the command line, and leaving rpcuser/rpcpassword without [regtest] in the config file rather. otherwise, adding [regtest]rpcport=blah to th econfig file (so rpcport is specified twice) should also work 22:58 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 23:03 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:06 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 23:11 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 23:26 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 23:29 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:53 -!- blazon [7ab4f0dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.180.240.221] has joined #lightning-dev 23:55 < blazon> isn't fundee supposed to verify the funding amount , bolt-2 mention nothing related to that. Only appearance of funding transaction is mentioned within a timelimit 23:56 <+roasbeef> blazon: verify amount? all the get is an outpoint 23:57 < blazon> exactly, if a channel is being opened with 100$ . how the fundee knows underlying funding is really 100$ 23:59 <+roasbeef> when it's confirmed 23:59 <+roasbeef> or they can look up the output in the utxo set 23:59 <+roasbeef> but they may not have a utxo set 23:59 <+roasbeef> what do tehy care?