--- Day changed Wed Jun 06 2018 00:03 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 00:31 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC4664B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 00:31 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC4664B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 00:31 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 00:50 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.static.v4.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 00:58 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 01:45 -!- yaslama [~yaslama@bzq-218-78-150.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@195.181.167.149] has joined #lightning-dev 02:05 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:06 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:07 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@195.181.167.149] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 02:09 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:15 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 02:20 -!- volition [~volition@82.102.24.250] has joined #lightning-dev 02:54 < lndbot2> Hey, how large are the code changes for eltoo? Should I wait for that or can I continue to use current clients? Thanks. 02:57 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 03:12 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 03:25 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 03:26 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:28 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 03:32 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:35 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:42 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 04:06 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:08 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined #lightning-dev 04:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 04:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:57 -!- bitconne1 [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:59 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 05:01 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 05:03 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 05:04 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 05:06 -!- gustavonalle [~gustavona@redhat/jboss/gustavonalle] has joined #lightning-dev 05:08 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:16 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:17 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:18 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 05:20 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:27 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:27 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 05:32 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:35 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:36 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 05:41 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:43 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 05:48 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 06:02 -!- volition [~volition@82.102.24.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:30 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 06:55 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 06:59 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:08 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lightning-dev 07:15 -!- dsai [~dalitsair@2a02:aa10:e87f:6280:7051:5464:59eb:93e4] has joined #lightning-dev 07:33 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 07:36 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 08:09 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:12 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 08:31 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 08:46 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 08:59 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.static.v4.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:01 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC47AA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 09:01 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC47AA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 09:01 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 < errentazaria> I got a question regarding HTLCS and how they work with multi-sig escrows. So the way I understand it it's a 2/3 sig address where party A, party B, and an escrow each hold a key. Now when depositing in the address you also deposit a fee and this fee will be used by the script to send the money whereever as part of Bitcoin's transaction fee. Now my question is what happens when the 09:04 < errentazaria> transaction fee is not enough? It gets stuck in the mem pool for 3 days right? Then comes back to the escrow account? Then what? Is the money stuck there forever? Let's say Bitcoin's transaction fees exploded and never came back down enough. Would there be any way of taking out the money? 09:05 < errentazaria> I hope I'm understanding this all correctly. 09:07 < errentazaria> Same thing with lightning, lets say you close a channel. Now the script needs to send the money out to whoever. Who decides the transaction fee it will use? Is it predetermined when the channel was first opened? And if so can the transaction fee be adjusted? 09:54 -!- RubenSomsen [uid301948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xipyhibijbdhtffb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:15 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 10:41 -!- JackH [~laptop@i25091.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 10:57 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:01 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 11:22 -!- gustavonalle [~gustavona@redhat/jboss/gustavonalle] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 12:36 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:37 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 12:38 <+roasbeef> john-sr: eltoo doesn't replace anything, you can continue to use the current clients, and if its deployed it'll co-exist with what's already deployed 12:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:44 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 12:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 13:00 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:16 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:18 < errentazaria> Did anyone see my question regarding HTLCS? 13:33 -!- dbnoch [c61bc602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.27.198.2] has joined #lightning-dev 13:37 <+roasbeef> errentazaria: one would use various fee bumping techniques 13:37 <+roasbeef> if it's an ecscrow htlc the ecrow is in the preimages themselves 13:39 < errentazaria> roasbeef, okay so it's never any risk of having funds stuck in a htlc where the preset original fee is not enough to perform the trasaction? 13:47 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC47AA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 13:47 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC47AA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 13:47 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 13:51 -!- n1bor [~owensr@185.9.34.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 13:56 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:01 -!- dbnoch [c61bc602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.27.198.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09 <+roasbeef> errentazaria: i mean you should craft things such that there are various ways to increase the fee if needed 14:10 <+roasbeef> if the htlcs is like 10 sat, then yeh you prob can't claim that on-chain, which is why we don't manifest it on our end 14:41 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:59 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lightning-dev 15:00 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:03 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lightning-dev 15:12 -!- mac______ [rm@goat.sex] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:12 -!- mac______ [rm@goat.sex] has joined #lightning-dev 15:17 -!- mac______ [rm@goat.sex] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:25 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 15:39 -!- snickerfritz [~user@104.254.92.61] has joined #lightning-dev 15:48 -!- mughat [~textual@80-197-69-11-cable.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:06 -!- contrapumpkin is now known as filthySJW 16:06 -!- filthySJW is now known as contrapumpkin 16:32 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lightning-dev 16:45 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 16:54 -!- mughat [~textual@80-197-69-11-cable.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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