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[~Thunderbi@62.112.9.237] has joined #lightning-dev 11:10 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 11:11 -!- JackH [~laptop@188.212.251.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:14 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:16 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 11:39 -!- mrd0ll4r [mrd0ll4r@gateway/shell/firrre/x-wtfrorfoalaimjna] has joined #lightning-dev 11:40 < mrd0ll4r> hey! Would this be an appropriate place to ask for a testnet invoice so I can test channel behaviour? I'm currently using y'alls to tilt my channels, but that's truly not ideal... 11:41 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@62.112.9.237] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 11:43 < lndbot> you can use htlc.me 11:45 < mrd0ll4r> oh of course! thank you 11:49 < molz> mrd0ll4r, you can try to pay for testnet candy: https://the.testnet.lightning.land/candy/ 11:50 < mrd0ll4r> molz, nice, thanks! That one had one more hop, interesting 11:53 < molz> mrd0ll4r, this one always has at least 2 hops: https://starblocks.acinq.co/ 11:53 < molz> or one hop and the destination 11:55 < mrd0ll4r> so I figure I can decode the invoice and use lnd queryroutes to get possible routes 11:55 < mrd0ll4r> all of them have 3 hops 11:55 < mrd0ll4r> do I know beforehand which one lnd is gonna choose? 11:56 < mrd0ll4r> they seem to have the same fee too 11:59 < lndbot> In master there is a way to do sendRoute which lets you choose, otherwise it will decide itself 12:00 < mrd0ll4r> I see 12:02 < mrd0ll4r> another one: What if, during channel creation, I specify some amount for push_amt. Let's say I set local_amt to 1.0 tBTC and push_amt to 0.5 tBTC - I see that the channel becomes bidirectional, because it has remote_balance>0. Now if I gracefully close that channel, do I get the 0.5 tBTC back? Or is it more like "hey, I wanna send this guy 0.5 BTC, let's just open a channel at the same time"? 12:04 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11 < molz> no, when you send a push_amt, you give that amount away 12:17 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 12:36 -!- kiltzman [~k1ltzman@94.140.116.240] has joined #lightning-dev 12:41 -!- daouzo235 [~daouzo23@77.119.131.112.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lightning-dev 12:45 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@77.119.131.112.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:48 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 12:57 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@94.234.34.228] has joined #lightning-dev 12:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 13:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06 -!- cryptocronus22 [~jamespeer@c-73-234-176-58.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cryptocronus22] 13:21 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 13:22 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 13:25 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:27 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 13:32 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has quit [] 13:36 -!- roy [~grouver@164-206-145-85.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 13:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 13:37 -!- roy [~grouver@164-206-145-85.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:44 < mrd0ll4r> oh rip 13:45 < mrd0ll4r> so let's say I and some other node want to open a bidirectional channel, how would we do that? 13:47 < lndbot> All the channels are bidirectional, they just start out with the balance on one side at the moment 14:04 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 14:04 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:04 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-179-222-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:05 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-179-222-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 14:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:41 -!- daouzo235 [~daouzo23@77.119.131.112.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@94.234.34.228] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 15:05 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08 < lndbot> someone needs to kill the misinfo that channels aren't bidirectional 15:15 < cdecker> Somebody needs to kill the info that nodes need to run 24/7 as well 15:15 < cdecker> Checking in before the timeouts expire is more than sufficient 15:15 < cdecker> :-) 15:51 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fairmreavcqzdbaw] has joined #lightning-dev 15:51 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:52 < lndbot> cdecker what timeouts? and yeah, those eclair mobile nodes can be offline just fine 15:58 <+roasbeef> moli: he means like csv time outs 15:58 <+roasbeef> that's the min amount of time you should log on 15:58 <+roasbeef> so for example, a mobile app could like send a notification to say "yo open the app rn" 16:02 < lndbot> roasbeef ah i see 16:02 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03 < lndbot> with ample time before timeout lol 16:04 < lndbot> yep 16:05 < lndbot> then maybe angry/scary ones 16:05 < lndbot> YO IF YOU DON'T OPEN IT NOW YOU'LL LOSE SOME MULLAH 16:06 < lndbot> In iOS you can have some time in the background to do your business without bothering the user 16:07 < lndbot> It isn’t perfectly reliable though, if you don’t ever use the App it will start to revoke its background privileges 16:07 <+roasbeef> iirc background stuff is even more nerfed on iOS 16:07 <+roasbeef> for android, you can run it as a service tho 16:08 < AndyS2> The non-bidirectionality misunderstanding comes from (early versions of) the Eclair LN wallet, doesn't it/was it a different one? 16:09 < molz> Eclair mobil wallet can't receive but it's not the first client 16:09 < AndyS2> ah, yes. 16:09 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Quit: DrFeelGood] 16:40 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 16:44 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 17:12 -!- DictateThePace [~dictateth@2a00:23c4:6275:2500:211:32ff:fe33:a40b] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:17 -!- DictateThePace [~dictateth@2a00:23c4:6203:500:211:32ff:fe33:a40b] has joined #lightning-dev 17:20 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:22 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 18:01 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fairmreavcqzdbaw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:12 -!- Murch [~murch@50-200-105-218-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 18:31 -!- DictateThePace [~dictateth@2a00:23c4:6203:500:211:32ff:fe33:a40b] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:43 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iyjuqinhppwntnyq] has joined #lightning-dev 18:53 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:57 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:09 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@unaffiliated/waxwing] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40 -!- DictateThePace [~dictateth@2a00:23c4:6203:500:211:32ff:fe33:a40b] has joined #lightning-dev 19:43 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:10 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iyjuqinhppwntnyq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:34 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #lightning-dev 21:36 -!- jtimon [~quassel@40.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:50 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 21:50 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 21:55 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:04 -!- schnerchi [~schnerchi@2a01:4f8:c0c:afe::2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:46 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pyseauxzgncpmify] has joined #lightning-dev 22:47 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:57 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 23:40 < mrd0ll4r> morning, I'm back. Yes, channels are always bidirectional, I realize that - but if I join the network, I can only open channels to other nodes with the balance on my side (unless I push money to them, but I don't see why I would be giving away money for free). So what's the procedure for opening one channel between two nodes allocating some BTC each? 23:55 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@91.216.245.111] has joined #lightning-dev 23:59 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@91.216.245.111] has quit [Changing host] 23:59 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@unaffiliated/waxwing] has joined #lightning-dev