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Any other good refs I should read? 05:07 -!- jtimon [~quassel@40.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 05:11 -!- ZmnSCPxj [b4bf67f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.191.103.243] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning bsm117532, see also: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2017-December/000865.html 05:14 < ZmnSCPxj> Also: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/issues/280#issuecomment-388269599 05:15 < ZmnSCPxj> my own position, is that you humans overestimate the need for splice-in and splice-out. 05:15 < ZmnSCPxj> in practice, I think off-to-onchain and on-to-offchain bridges will be sufficient to implement behavior needed 05:15 < ZmnSCPxj> *us humans, of course 05:16 -!- ZmnSCPxj [b4bf67f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.191.103.243] has quit [Client Quit] 05:22 < bsm117532> Thanks ZmnSCPxj! 05:22 < bsm117532> In this case, I don't think that's practical. A hasher on braidpool who mines a block creates a new coinbase (LN channel opening) and everyone has to be paid WRT it 05:22 < bsm117532> So there's really a new output that has to be used. Can't accomplish that by rearranging other outputs. 05:33 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 05:33 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:37 < mrd0ll4r> can someone help me understand the Receipt field of LND's Invoice? 05:39 < mrd0ll4r> or, looking at it from a different angle: I was looking for a way to prove payment of an invoice. One way would be to have the preimage, right? 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along with the signed invoice itself 13:26 <+roasbeef> bsm117532: also what's described there is sync, we know how to do async 13:26 <+roasbeef> so the channel doesn't block at all 13:30 < bsm117532> sweet, refs? 13:30 < bsm117532> I'll look up the ML, let me know if there's more 13:32 < mrd0ll4r> roasbeef, thanks! But what is the receipt field for then? 13:32 -!- Tralfaz [~none@103.10.197.187] has joined #lightning-dev 13:34 <+roasbeef> bsm117532: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2018-June/001324.html 13:34 <+roasbeef> there's a link to a comment by conner describing async splice in 13:34 <+roasbeef> that's the one that's abit more tricky 13:34 <+roasbeef> async splice out is pretty straight forward 13:35 -!- ilyam [~ilyam@pool-108-46-142-209.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:38 -!- Tralfaz [~none@103.10.197.187] has left #lightning-dev ["Leaving"] 13:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:18 -!- jtimon [~quassel@40.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21 -!- xchuck00 [~xchuck00@unaffiliated/xchuck00] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:28 -!- xchuck00 [~xchuck00@unaffiliated/xchuck00] has joined #lightning-dev 14:29 -!- nodweber 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