--- Day changed Thu Jul 19 2018 00:06 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-60-161.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lightning-dev 00:06 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-60-161.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:06 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 00:31 -!- ThomasV_ [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:31 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.static.v4.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 00:31 -!- rdymac__ [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuenowgvzbuglnto] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:59 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 01:20 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@88.202.178.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22 -!- meshcollider_ [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nyqiggosftdeoevt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:34 -!- volition [volition@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/volition] has joined #lightning-dev 01:44 -!- de_bill [59a936e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.169.54.231] has joined #lightning-dev 01:46 -!- de_bill [59a936e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.169.54.231] has quit [Client Quit] 01:47 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lightning-dev 01:50 -!- volition_ [volition@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/volition] has joined #lightning-dev 01:52 -!- volition [volition@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/volition] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:17 -!- nodweber2 [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 02:21 -!- narodnik [~kk@92.59.59.28] has joined #lightning-dev 02:21 -!- narodnik [~kk@92.59.59.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:31 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:33 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 03:10 -!- RubenSomsen [uid301948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oelpnekvlesovzzo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:10 -!- unixb0y [~unixb0y@p2E555F29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 03:10 < unixb0y> hello, there! 03:11 < unixb0y> I have a little question: A "full" LN client has to be always connected, right? 03:11 < unixb0y> So I'm thinking about making a mobile client, in that case the solution would be to have a LND running somewhere and the client connects to that? 03:29 < molz> unixb0y, there are mobile Lightning wallets 03:31 < unixb0y> molz: Yeah I know 03:31 < unixb0y> Then how do they operate? 03:31 < unixb0y> That's like saying "there's a Twitter App". Why not make another one if one wishes to have some features or design changes :) 03:32 < molz> sure, go for it 03:33 < molz> but this channel isn't for lnd exactly, if you want to get your questions answered, LND slack has a #mobile channel for it 03:33 < unixb0y> So you have no suggestion on how to implement (regarding my question)? 03:33 < unixb0y> Well that was the question: use LND or not or ... 03:34 < unixb0y> ? 03:34 < molz> im not an expert on this, if you want correct opinions you have to discuss with other devs on LND slack 03:34 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #lightning-dev 03:35 < unixb0y> I repeat that the question was what would be the alternatives (if any). This is not an LND specific question. 03:35 < unixb0y> I'll leave this here and ask on the Slack, too though 03:35 < molz> lol ok, you were asking if you should use LND :p 03:36 < unixb0y> Yes just read the last messages.. 04:07 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:22 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 04:29 -!- ThomasV_ [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:31 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 04:31 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 04:48 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:49 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 05:06 -!- volition_ [volition@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/volition] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:10 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:11 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 05:17 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:35 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 05:40 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:46 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:26 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 06:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 06:36 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 06:41 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:43 < Chris_Stewart_5> Is there support to pay invoices in Lightning Charge? 06:51 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@88.202.178.98] has joined #lightning-dev 06:57 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:14 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> also, I'm attempting to start lightningd and keep gettinga blockchain mismatch error 07:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> I'm definitely on regtest for bitcoind $$ bitcoin-cli getblockchaininfo 07:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> { 07:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> "chain": "regtest", 07:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> and i'm attempting to start lightningd with this command 07:26 < Chris_Stewart_5> $ ./lightningd/lightningd --network={bitcoin,regtest} 07:28 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:29 < cdecker> Chris_Stewart_5: Charge supports the full JSON-RPC afaik, so sending is a possibility 07:29 < cdecker> The mismatch means that you started `lightningd` with one network and then attempted to restart with another 07:30 < cdecker> You can have multiple ones running with a single user by specifying different `--lightning-dir`s 07:31 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:38 -!- adilw3nomad [3eff661a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.255.102.26] has joined #lightning-dev 07:41 < Chris_Stewart_5> cdecker: Here is a pastebin session: https://pastebin.com/xp8BZEJU 07:41 < Chris_Stewart_5> i restarted bitcoind explicltly in -regtest in there to make sure I wasn't screwing that up 07:42 < Chris_Stewart_5> I am running off of master if that matters 07:42 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 -!- tagicalMux [adefdb02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.219.2] has joined #lightning-dev 07:50 < Chris_Stewart_5> is there an issue with running bitcoind with eclair's configuration file? From wha I can tell you do not need to set things like -txindex with clightning? 07:50 < Chris_Stewart_5> in the bitcoin.conf 07:53 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:53 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lightning-dev 07:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:56 < cdecker> The hash you're seeing in there is for testnet, so try starting with `--network=testnet` and it should work 07:57 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:57 < cdecker> And yes, you do not need `-txindex` for c-lightning 07:57 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 07:57 < cdecker> Eclair and c-lightning should happily run alongside each other 07:57 < Chris_Stewart_5> $ ./lightningd/lightningd --network=regtest 07:58 < Chris_Stewart_5> ooh, that is interesting. Does clighnting read directly in bitcoind's datadir? 07:58 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:58 < cdecker> If you really want to run in regtest you'll need to nuke the $HOME/.lightning directory or specify a new one with `--lightning-dir=$HOME/.lightning-regtest` 07:59 < cdecker> No, c-lightning uses `bitcoin-cli` to talk to `bitcoind` 07:59 < cdecker> So as long as `bitcoin-cli echo hi` works it'll happily chug along 08:00 < cdecker> (and you don't actually need `bitcoind` running alongside c-lightning, anything that supports `bitcoin-cli` will work, like `spruned`) 08:01 < Chris_Stewart_5> So clightning uses bitcoind internal wallet management system to track the utxos thus not needing txindex? 08:01 < Chris_Stewart_5> when compared to eclair? 08:02 < cdecker> Nope, c-lightning has its own internal wallet, `bitcoind` is just used as a proxy to the bitcoin network 08:02 < cdecker> i.e., it's completely untrusted in this setup 08:03 < cdecker> And we track our own UTXO set 08:03 < cdecker> (actually a subset, but enough to verify everything locally) 08:03 < Chris_Stewart_5> Interesting. 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counts up, turns out if you implement it by starting at 2**48 and counting down the implementation is simpler so I assumed it did that 13:47 -!- xchuck00 [~xchuck00@unaffiliated/xchuck00] has quit [] 13:50 <+roasbeef> how's backwards easier? 13:50 < BlueMatt> cause you dont have to convert when passing into the commitment state number thinggy 13:51 < BlueMatt> but then you do have to convert for txn creation 13:51 < BlueMatt> but if the txn creation one counted down you'd never convert :) 13:58 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 14:00 -!- xchuck00 [~xchuck00@unaffiliated/xchuck00] has joined #lightning-dev 14:00 -!- Guest50633 [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-olqfwvwbfxysuoml] has quit [Changing host] 14:00 -!- Guest50633 [uid225068@unaffiliated/arij] has joined #lightning-dev 14:00 -!- Guest50633 [uid225068@unaffiliated/arij] has quit [Changing host] 14:00 -!- Guest50633 [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-olqfwvwbfxysuoml] has joined 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