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[Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 16:59 -!- ace4b5_ [~anonymous@c-208-82-98-123.rev.sailx.co] has joined #lightning-dev 17:01 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 17:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:04 < ace4b5_> Hello everyone. I have question regarding the differences between the Lightning paper and the BOLT specifications. In the paper, a commitment transaction has a set of outputs for the bidirectional payment channel - the ‘Delivery’, ‘Breach Remedy’, and ‘Revocable Delivery’ outputs - as well as a similar set of outputs for the HTLC. In BOLT 2, however, i see that the spec only allows for HTLCs addition and removal. Are the 17:05 < ace4b5_> payment channel outputs used in the LND protocol? 17:06 < molz> ace4b5_, the white paper is outdated, we're using the BOLTs 17:16 < ace4b5_> I see. So in BOLT 3, the commitment transaction consists of a to_local, a to_remote, and n HTLCs, where the HTLCs can be offered or received depending on who originated the HTLC. When a node sends or receives a new HTLC via update_add_htlc as described in BOLT 2, the node is able to reconstruct the commitment transaction and all of its outputs given the algorithm described in the ‘Commitment Transaction Construction’ section of B 17:16 < ace4b5_> this correct? 17:17 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 17:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 17:21 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:22 < rusty> ace4b5_: yEP... 17:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:23 < ace4b5_> Great, thanks rusty. This is very helpful. 17:25 < ace4b5_> As an aside, I found this comment in the key derivation code entertaining: 17:25 < ace4b5_> / NOTE: BRICK SQUUUUUAD. 17:25 < ace4b5_> :) 17:26 < rusty> ace4b5_: that's roasbeef :) 17:30 -!- xchuck00 [~xchuck00@unaffiliated/xchuck00] has quit [] 17:30 <+roasbeef> heheheh 17:39 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 17:42 < ace4b5_> Another question - under what conditions would a node want to send an update_fulfill_htlc message? Is this the mechanism for cooperative channel closure? 17:43 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:44 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 17:50 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 17:51 < rusty> ace4b5_: That's how you accept a payment, basically. 17:53 < ace4b5_> I must be missing something. My understanding is that node A sends node B an HTLC with payment hash H. A knows preimage P. In BOLT 02, it states that you can only remove HTLCs added by the other node - but if node B doesn’t know the preimage, and accepting a payment requires knowledge of the preimage, how can it remove the HTLC? 17:54 < rusty> ace4b5_: No, A doesn't know the preimage. It's offerering msatoshi for the preimage. 17:54 < rusty> ace4b5_: that's what HTLCs are 17:58 < ace4b5_> I see. And A receives the payment hash from which message? Sorry if I’m being dense here. 17:58 -!- xchuck00 [~xchuck00@unaffiliated/xchuck00] has joined #lightning-dev 17:59 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 18:02 < rusty> ace4b5_: Either A is originating the payment, in which case it's told it from the final recipient (eg. via BOLT11), or it's forwarding, in which case it knows it from receiving update_add_htlc on another channel. 18:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06 < ace4b5_> Aha! BOLT 11 made it clear. Hadn’t quite made it that far yet :) 18:08 < ace4b5_> Thanks again. 18:20 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 18:25 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:37 -!- unixb0y [~unixb0y@p2E555F86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:42 -!- unixb0y [~unixb0y@p2E5552FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 18:56 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 19:00 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:17 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lightning-dev 19:20 -!- sangy is now known as fnatl 19:22 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:25 -!- fnatl is now known as sangy 19:26 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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