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19:25 < ianthius> Hey folks. Are the storage tokens mention in the olympous watchtower implements somehow in some technology that lighting provides? or is there some private blockchain on the olympus server? I am assuming this is on some sort of scripting layer that was included in the trasactoin capabilities of lighting, which i was apparently unaware of?
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19:25 <+roasbeef> ianthius: nope, i think you need to connect to them to pay for it
19:26 <+roasbeef> for lnd we have something similar we're working on, but it has better storage and privacy properties 
19:26 <+roasbeef> (you pay in btc for the tokens)
19:27 < ianthius> i am a bit confused, are the tokens part of a contract? or hope is it fairly enforced?
19:27 < ianthius> *how is it fairly enforced?
19:27 <+roasbeef> they way BLW does it, it isn't a fair exchange or anything, you pay then you trust that you get the tokens 
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19:29 <+roasbeef> prob possible to use adapter sigs to make it an atomic fair exchange, using a blinded adapter sig even 
19:29 < ianthius> oh i get it. they just construct a transaction at channel creation to get some sats and then you trust they do their job? And the wallet does a whole prprietary thing to manage the payments and everything without your input 
19:29 <+roasbeef> ianthius: yeh, as you kinda already assume the tower will do its job 
19:30 <+roasbeef> you could even probe it, so like make fake breaches (with yourself) to ensure that it acted on them 
19:30 <+roasbeef> can be done in a distributed manner, and scores posted or something like that, or your client even just does it periodically "to watch the watchers" 
19:30 < ianthius> Is thier a known trustless way to do this? or a theory on how it could be created?
19:30 <+roasbeef> at Scaling Bitcoin, there was a group from ETH that had this like concentric ring of towers thing to give diff levels a window of op to act 
19:31 <+roasbeef> ianthius: to get the tokens for payment? see my blurb above re blinded adapter sigs 
19:31 <+roasbeef> would prob require dlog based htlcs 
19:31 <+roasbeef> or something like zkboo to prove certains aspects of the proposed contract 
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19:34 < ianthius> wow interesting that this is still an open issue. It doesn't quite meet the bar for 'blocking issue' that would impede lightning or make it inviable, but it's a pretty big drawback that is unsolved
19:35 < ianthius> a very cool research area though!
19:35 <+roasbeef> don't see it as a massive drawback really
19:36 < ianthius> i'm excited to see this develeop and see what someone comes up with!
19:36 <+roasbeef> one thing you may be missing is that the goal is the tokens are unlinkable from teh service 
19:36 <+roasbeef> so i pay for it, but then they can't trace my payment for the token, to me using the token 
19:36 < ianthius> interesting
19:37 <+roasbeef> but yeh, tons of cool stuff to work on in the LN space
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