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03:14 < fiatjaf> roasbeef_, no, because I want to connect over zerotier
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03:16 < fiatjaf> zerotier should be a perfect emulation of a normal network
03:17 < fiatjaf> these two machines are connected through 2 different zerotier networks, one is like a lan, with everything open and no restrictions. the other is a global network that blocks everything except connections on port 9735
03:18 < fiatjaf> now I've tested connecting through the all-open, private network, and it has worked
03:18 < fiatjaf> it's just on the other one that the connection lnd-lightningd is failing
03:18 < fiatjaf> does lnd-lightningd connections use something other than the port 9735?
03:18 < fiatjaf> (again, lightningd-lightningd works fine over that restricted network)
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03:19 < fiatjaf> oh, also, it's ipv6 on the restricted network, ipv4 on the all-open
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04:48 < fiatjaf> I guess my problem is silliness
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04:51 < molz> yes :P
04:52 < molz> i have c-lightning and lnd on two servers, they connect/open channels to each other just fine
04:53 < fiatjaf> yes?
04:53 < fiatjaf> did you read what I'm saying?
04:53 < molz> i have no clue what you're doing
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04:54 < fiatjaf> you're so helpful
04:54 < fiatjaf> thank you
04:54 < molz> you can have one c-lightning node and one lnd node on a same computer and open channel to each other
04:55 < fiatjaf> I've done that
04:55 < molz> but they can only have *one* channel between each other
04:55 < fiatjaf> and I've connected between them in multiple computers also
04:55 < molz> so, what's the problem then?
04:56 < fiatjaf> that in a different setup, using zerotier, they aren't connecting
04:56 < molz> what is "zerotier"?
04:57 < fiatjaf> https://www.zerotier.com/ it's a service that simulates lan networks across the internet
04:57 < fiatjaf> I think I'm being fooled by ipv6, however
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05:00 < fiatjaf> can you connect between lightningd and lnd using ipv6 addresses?
05:01 < fiatjaf> yes
05:01 < fiatjaf> damn
05:01 < molz> ah a VPN
05:01 < molz> did you change the port 9735 on one of those nodes?
05:04 < fiatjaf> no
05:05 < fiatjaf> it's 9735 everywhere
05:05 < fiatjaf> but here's what happens:
05:06 < fiatjaf> I'm testing this over 2 different zerotier networks, one (A) allows all kinds of connections between machines, the other (B) only allows connections on port 9735
05:07 < fiatjaf> on network (A) I can connect lightningd-lightningd and lightningd-lnd; on network (B) I can connect lightningd-lightningd, but not lightningd-lnd
05:09 < molz> fiatjaf, so you have one c-lightning node and one lnd node on a same machine and they both use port 9735? 
05:10 < fiatjaf> molz, yes, I stop one and run the other, and vice-versa
05:10 < fiatjaf> I'm just using them to test the connection between nodes
05:10 < molz> how about do this: change the port for node lnd to 9736 and run them both at the same time
05:11 < fiatjaf> ok, but why?
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05:11 < molz> because only one node can use that port at a time, and if you try to connect the c-lightning node to the lnd now while one of them is offline, then of course you can't
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05:12 < molz> s/now/node/
05:13 < fiatjaf> I get that
05:14 < fiatjaf> I'm running a lightningd on machine X and either lnd or lightningd on machine Y
05:14 < fiatjaf> and trying to connect between nodes on machine Y to machine X and vice-versa
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05:34 < ysangkok> the connection is already full-duplex
05:35 < ysangkok> you don't need to connect B to A if A is connected B
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05:50 < fiatjaf> ysangkok, I can't connect from either side
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15:38 < ianthius> i made a LN testnet payment to coingate for only 200 sat. it's sitting PENDING. This is somethind I don't know if I have encountered, what is the best way to debug and determine why the payment is stuck?
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15:47 < molz> ianthius, coingate testnet node is not functioning
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15:48 < molz> there're plenty other testnet sites you can try, like: lnd.fun, testnet.satoshis.place, testnet.millionbitcoinhomepage.net, starblocks.com
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15:56 < molz> haha.. typo, actually it's https://starblocks.acinq.co/, not starblocks.com
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