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01:36 < tinova> hi guys!
01:36 < tinova> i'm a noob trying to buy some stickers
01:36 < tinova> i get the following error: payment attempt not completed before timeout of 1m0s
01:36 < tinova> do you have any hints on where to look?
01:39 < tinova> more info: https://gist.github.com/2b24ea455251be76bf0ea815127767ba
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04:16 < cdecker> Ping roasbeef ^^
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10:39 < ianthius> alexbosworth i think they can be 57x57 at least those are working. I am doing an embedded thing and wanted to get the smallest oled i could get away with...
10:40 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> If you can’t make a payment I would check on your channels to make sure you have a good connection to the network with sufficient capacity
10:41 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> You should try your QR including hop hints
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10:43 < ianthius> alex, what are hop hints? does this make an invoice longer? what is teh increase in character length?
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10:44 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> hop hints help the payer route to your node, and they do make the invoice longer - it depends on the hints you want to include
10:45 < ianthius> thx, i'll look into it.
10:47 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> the failed payment appears to have happened at an Eclair hop, I would try making some channels outside of that node
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15:17 < BlueMatt> rusty: so I spent some time pitching the relay policy carve-out to folks and it seems no one was offended by it, aside from it being a bit of a hack, so thats good
15:18 < BlueMatt> rusty: I presume you saw my mails with feedback from your post
15:19 < BlueMatt> rusty: in addition to just the policy carve-out, we do need to have a form of tx-package-relay in bitcoin core (not sure if we discussed this in adelaide, it might have come up), but I yelled at suhas to get moving on that again, and so maybe he'll make more progress, though obviously for our use-case it doesn't have to be super fancy
15:19 < BlueMatt> rusty: anyway, unless you've already got something written up, I'll do a bitcoin-dev post with the proposal in the next few days
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15:31 < aj> BlueMatt: <3
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17:07 < rusty> BlueMatt: happy for you to do it.  Might as well reference our particular proposed construction for pushme outputs, too; the ugliness might light a fire under someone to do more radical RBF surgery...
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17:21 < ghost43> is this about doing CPFP on the commitment txn using the pushme outputs? I was wondering how that would work when reading the mailing list, as it seems to me that the commitment txn, if it has a fixed fee, might not get accepted into already full mempools and then it cannot be CPFP-ed.
17:22 < ghost43> so by "tx-package-relay" I assume you plan to send the two transactions as a single message on the bitcoin p2p layer to work around this?
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17:55 < rusty> ghost43: that's a separate problem, though possible to hit if minrelayfee spikes.  This refers to the fact that bitcoind has a 100k "package" limit, and you can't spend any output in that package once it's reached, whatever your fee is.
18:00 < ghost43> oh I see. well re the minrelayfee issue; that actually was the case for several weeks around last xmas
18:07 < rusty> ghost43: yes, a workaround would be for bitcoind to take a minfee tx for some limited duration to allow the parent to arrive.  But yes, it needs addressing too
18:09 < ghost43> or to allow sending multiple txns in the same message and consider them for mempool acceptance simultaneously
18:10 < rusty> ghost43: that's may be more difficult, since it requires sender mods too ("hey, this needs packaging")?
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18:15 < ghost43> rusty: I'm not sure either approach is particularly easy to implement.. the "wait some constant time for possible dependent txns" approach might be DOSable. e.g. how to handle conflicting txns? I might fill up your RAM if you keep all conflicting txns for some time in memory just to decide which package pays the most
18:16 < rusty> ghost43: no, you don't add any new logic, you just set a flag on minrelay fee test fail, and if that's set when you put it in the mempool, add a timer.  ON timer expiry, recheck it; if it doesn't now meet feerate, drop it.
18:19 < rusty> But I haven't actually looked at the code, so...
18:20 < ghost43> I see what you meant now. that sounds not too big a change I guess. some fineprint probably is still needed (or very short timers) as otherwise I still think the mempool could grow really large if this specifically was attacked
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23:35 <+roasbeef> tinova: ever resolve that? waht version of lnd?
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