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11:40 <+roasbeef> BlueMatt: the error is encrypted tho, so the intermediary would see that it failed, but could'v efailed downstream for other reasons, or do you mean they try to craft a new route that goes thru the next hop (so new onion) w/ the same payhash?
11:53 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: nonono, so lets say A -> B -> C -> D...B sees the payment guesses that it may be going to one of D, E, F, or G, and immediately sends a payment with the same payment_hash for one msat or so to D, E, F, G....at this point D confirms to B where the payment is headed cause only D sends back a bad_amount error
11:54 < BlueMatt> all the rest say unknown_payment_amount
11:55 <+roasbeef> ahh gotcha
11:57 <+roasbeef> but then if comined, the sender itself wouldn't be able to distinguish between those two errors, bad amount usually is a route construction error at the sender (so fees are off, or payload is incorrect)
11:59 <+roasbeef> i guess if it's a non advertised chan, then they could only prob if they had the hints as well 
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13:13 < BlueMatt> well, technically if B is unaware of the existence of D cause its never seen a invoice or advertised channel to it
13:13 < BlueMatt> but, yea
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