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[~Thunderbi@072-182-192-217.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lightning-dev 19:11 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:15 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@185.236.201.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@185.236.201.215] has joined #lightning-dev 19:30 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lightning-dev 19:56 < fiatjaf> if you have a commit transactions with many HTLCs in it, then one of these "expires". you have to publish the commit transaction and thus close the channel so you can redeem that one HTLC?. 19:57 < lndbot> yes 19:57 < lndbot> Unless you want to forfeit that HTLC 19:58 < rusty> fiatjaf: yeah, eventually we'll get more sophisticated (basically, if you were going to forfeit the HTLC you probably wanted to increase your dust limit anyway. 20:02 < fiatjaf> by forfeit the HTLC you mean losing the money for that, right? 20:02 < fiatjaf> which could be an option if closing the channel would cost me more money than recovering the HTLC? is that the reason? 20:03 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrhoxuanlgvzsqpe] has joined #lightning-dev 20:03 < lndbot> It’s up to you the reason 20:04 < lndbot> Not all htlcs can even go to chain, small HTLCs are trimmed and don’t exist in a form that can be enforced on chain 20:10 < fiatjaf> I don't understand how the reason could be up to me in this totally subjective manner if it's going to be executed by a software, it must bend to certain logic principles and you have probably thought more about it than me, who have just heard about the idea of forfeiting htlcs 20:11 < fiatjaf> but ok 20:11 < fiatjaf> I was going to ask the following: 20:11 < lndbot> I mean it’s up to the software, which can be guided or chosen by you 20:12 < fiatjaf> the htlc_delay option I set in my node, like 40, means all HTLC I send have a timelock of (anything that comes before) + 40, right? 20:12 < lndbot> You mean the htlc delta? 20:12 < fiatjaf> yeah 20:12 < fiatjaf> at which point the node decides it's not ok to wait more and starts closing the channel? it must be before that 20:14 < lndbot> The delta applies to the route, each hop gets some time to go to chain and sweep if necessary, that’s what the delta is 20:22 < fiatjaf> but when does the node decide it's time to sweep? 20:23 < fiatjaf> like 3 blocks before the timelock ends? 20:23 < lndbot> It needs enough time for the commitment tx to confirm 20:24 < lndbot> The implementation has to determine how much time is necessary there, or the operator can force close by themselves 21:05 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-142-242.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:09 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 21:41 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] 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