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13:01 < jrap> Hey guys, I had a few questions I was hoping you could help me with.
13:01 < jrap> I tried the Lnd slack but Jwilkins suggested I might find this helpful.
13:02 < jrap> First one was, I started with c-lightning but switched to Lnd due to the native grpc support. My assumption is to get grpc on c-lightning I'd need to implement a grpc server as a (go) plugin -- not a huge deal, but was looking to avoid the extra work if possible. is this correct?
13:04 < ysangkok> jrap: why would you do it in go?
13:05 < jrap> grpc is go is easy peasy and i'm very familiar with it. but more generally, a grpc server (that thunks rpc as a plugin ?) doesn't exist yet, correct?
13:06 < jrap> *in go
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13:24 < jrap> Anyway, I've been working on an app using lightning for payments (grpc) but have run into a serious problem.
13:25 < jrap> I generate an invoice / display the QR code; a wallet scans it and pays; i get the the settled invoice -- all good.
13:25 < jrap> The problem is I can't figure out how to tell who paid it. i.e. decoding the payment request yields the destination pk, which is me, but not the payer pk.
13:25 < jrap> I have no way to link the payment back to a specific payer or transmit funds back to that payer
13:26 < jrap> tldr; i get the idea of anon transactions but not being able to trace a tx back for purposes of payment breaks a ton of RW use cases.
13:28 < jrap> e.g. you pick up dinner, get home, and realize one of your dishes is wrong. you (and the restaurant) are stuck. the restaurant has no way to issue a partial refund -- a very common use case with today's credit cards.  
13:29 < jrap> I was hoping there was a wya to extract the payer pk from the decoded pay req, but it sounds like that's left out by design
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13:30 < jrap> (unless there is a way to do this that i'm not seeing (and the lnd guys don't know about)
13:31 < jrap> ideally nodes could provide one or more routable disposable deposit-only or "gifting" keys ("refund" bothers me a little bc it implies some restricted structure to the tx).  If I have that key, I can send you as much as I want, whenever I want (based on my own biz logic). That key could be requested as part of the invoice (if there was some issue with automatic inclusion). Providing it with the payment would serve a n
13:31 < jrap> umber of useful purposes. I would have an immediate way to link the payment to some unique payer id (like a guest account from my perspective). I could fully or partially refund to that key at any time in the future (one delivery dish of five is wrong). I could overpay that key (slot machine). I would not need to support a full user account system, or require users to then link wallets, issue their own invoices, etc. 
13:31 < jrap> etc. mutual exchange of those keys would make a Venmo trivial
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17:38 < rusty> Today's trivial stat: 60189 / 62358 channel_updates my node sees currently supply the optional htlc_maximum_msat value.
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