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08:55 -!- alko89 [~alko@cpe-85-10-28-138.static.amis.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56 -!- alko89 [~alko@cpe-85-10-28-138.static.amis.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:03 -!- diogosergio [~diogoserg@212.36.34.126] has joined #lightning-dev 09:06 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host-92-13-61-152.as43234.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 09:10 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 09:10 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 -!- diogosergio [~diogoserg@212.36.34.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:15 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 09:30 -!- marcinja [~marcinja@204.48.26.93] has joined #lightning-dev 09:41 -!- wsm [~master@gateway/tor-sasl/wsm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:42 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host-92-13-61-152.as43234.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:43 -!- wsm [~master@gateway/tor-sasl/wsm] has joined #lightning-dev 09:55 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 09:55 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #lightning-dev 10:14 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host-92-13-61-152.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 10:18 -!- diogosergio [~diogoserg@176.24.23.243] has joined #lightning-dev 10:19 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:24 < cdecker> You almost never do public key encryption on an arbitrary length message because of the math involved would be prohibitive. So what you'd do instead is to generate a random secret and encrypt that using public key crypto, but then you have that random secret to transfer for each hop. 10:24 < cdecker> Sphinx is more efficient in that it only uses a single 33 byte ephemeral key to derive all shared secrets along the entire path, saving us up to 660 bytes on the length of the onion 10:26 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 10:29 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host-92-13-61-152.as43234.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:44 -!- r251d [~r251d@162-196-59-192.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:57 -!- oneark [uid254801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ocokfywnheqztxyv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:58 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 11:01 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e35:8ab1:dea0:5438:ef9f:c95d:783] has joined #lightning-dev 11:15 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 11:35 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@185.183.104.83] has quit [Quit: hash] 11:43 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e35:8ab1:dea0:5438:ef9f:c95d:783] has quit [] 11:58 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host-92-13-61-152.as43234.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@185.212.170.51] has joined #lightning-dev 13:01 -!- joeNetti [8115473f@129.21.71.63] has joined #lightning-dev 13:27 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has quit [Quit: jb55] 13:34 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has joined #lightning-dev 13:50 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lightning-dev 14:13 -!- diogosergio [~diogoserg@176.24.23.243] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:28 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:56 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:16 -!- mangefort [~mangefort@77.221.29.242] has joined #lightning-dev 15:26 -!- marcoagner [~user@2001:8a0:6a5f:5700:7bb3:6296:d274:7295] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30 -!- soju [~soju@207.62.246.90] has joined #lightning-dev 15:31 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:39 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 15:45 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:00 -!- ghost43_ is now known as ghost43 16:26 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 17:07 -!- mangefort [~mangefort@77.221.29.242] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56 -!- wsm [~master@gateway/tor-sasl/wsm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:02 -!- wsm [~master@gateway/tor-sasl/wsm] has joined #lightning-dev 18:05 -!- soju [~soju@207.62.246.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17 -!- joeNetti [8115473f@129.21.71.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:34 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:35 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #lightning-dev 20:52 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:57 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:04 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 22:29 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 22:42 -!- soju [~soju@2601:640:8780:6d90:70c9:ccc7:933b:fc65] has joined #lightning-dev 22:47 -!- soju [~soju@2601:640:8780:6d90:70c9:ccc7:933b:fc65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50 -!- soju [~soju@2601:640:8780:6d90:70c9:ccc7:933b:fc65] has joined #lightning-dev 23:44 -!- soju [~soju@2601:640:8780:6d90:70c9:ccc7:933b:fc65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45 -!- soju [~soju@2601:640:8780:6d90:70c9:ccc7:933b:fc65] has joined #lightning-dev 23:50 -!- soju [~soju@2601:640:8780:6d90:70c9:ccc7:933b:fc65] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:58 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - 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