--- Log opened Mon Dec 23 00:00:46 2019 00:57 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:04 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 01:05 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #lightning-dev 01:07 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 01:11 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 01:16 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:40 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:45 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:01 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:04 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:06 -!- marcoagner [~user@2001:8a0:6a55:8f00:81e3:c539:c514:2d18] has joined #lightning-dev 02:19 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:29 -!- cubancorona2 [~cubancoro@pool-72-77-31-161.pitbpa.ftas.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:32 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 02:33 -!- cubancorona [~cubancoro@pool-72-77-31-161.pitbpa.ftas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:52 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.223.89.145] has joined #lightning-dev 03:49 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 03:51 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:03 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 04:11 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 04:37 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 04:41 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:49 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 05:15 < cdecker> Not sure if this helps but the single chaining key is limited to the handshake, afterwards we use two separate state (one for receiving and one for sending). I made the same mistake when re-implementing in python, namely assuming that sending and receiving after the handshake was using a shared ck instead of two copies that diverge over time. 05:15 < cdecker> Maybe that's the same mistake in this case? 05:45 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.223.89.145] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 05:48 < ysangkok> cdecker: i wouldn't say it is a mistake, Centromere is simply questioning the fact that Lightning, IIRC, does not use a rekeying schedule specified in http://www.noiseprotocol.org/noise.html#rekey 05:50 < ysangkok> cdecker: also AFAIK the fact that Lightning uses two chaining keys is also a custom invention not specified in the Noise document. what arguments can be made about this variation to convince Centromere that it is safe? 05:50 < ysangkok> cdecker: the implementation is working fine, the problem is that Centromere isn't convinced of the protocol implemented... 06:00 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 07:04 -!- nobody123 [~nobody123@dslb-092-077-148-021.092.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:12 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 07:20 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:30 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 07:43 -!- pepesza [~pepesza@185.83.218.228] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 07:48 -!- molz_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 07:49 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:05 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:12 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 09:17 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 09:23 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:38 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:39 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 09:43 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lycmsqjpldxxsfpt] has quit [Quit: killed] 09:46 -!- JoKe[m] [jokesharek@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rtpmmwwfjqopjtoz] has quit [Quit: killed] 09:46 -!- DavidMitchell[m] [davidfedii@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xyxcennzegqswaww] has quit [Quit: killed] 09:57 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:58 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 09:59 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:01 < cdecker> ysangkok: I'd expect roasbeef to be able to answer all those questions since the LN parameters were chosen by him :-) 10:01 < cdecker> s/chosen/proposed/ 10:09 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:24 -!- __gotcha [~Thunderbi@plone/gotcha] has joined #lightning-dev 10:32 -!- t-bast [~t-bast@2a01:e34:ec2c:260:94bc:96dc:f4b4:f7b1] has joined #lightning-dev 10:50 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:50 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 10:55 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 10:59 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:02 < t-bast> Hey there! 11:03 < jonatack> Is there a meeting today? 11:03 < t-bast> Anyone here or did I mess up the meeting time with timezone changes? 11:04 < t-bast> I think there should be :) 11:04 < jonatack> ok * lurking 11:08 -!- electric-sheep[m [electric-s@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-uxctxmszstxqnyjl] has joined #lightning-dev 11:08 -!- JoKe[m] [jokesharek@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nkmyqhgqqzbiovhk] has joined #lightning-dev 11:08 -!- DavidMitchell[m] [davidfedii@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-odfgxzizcezywuyr] has joined #lightning-dev 11:08 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dkwxirknvovzfvat] has joined #lightning-dev 11:10 < niftynei> hello! i think most people are off on holiday today 11:11 * t-bast waves at niftynei 11:11 < t-bast> Damn then we'll have to merge all the PRs we want without their ACK 11:11 < niftynei> have we achieved holiday quorum? 11:11 < t-bast> Let's merge dual funding shall we? 11:12 < t-bast> I believe we do 11:12 < niftynei> Yes, i think having two people agree on a dual funding merge is very appropriate, given the name of the feature ;) 11:13 < t-bast> If at least you're there niftynei, do you know if someone on c-lightning had a look at my last comment here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/682? 11:13 < t-bast> haha sounds good 11:13 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13 < t-bast> Basically it looks like you merged the networks tlv a bit too soon and wanted compat checks: it looks like you'll have issues with lnd if they advertise bitcoin+litecoin (unless I messed up my test) 11:15 < niftynei> i'm not aware of anyone taking a look at it yet, this does seem problematic however. i'll see if i can reproduce the error with a test locally today 11:16 < t-bast> great thanks 11:16 < t-bast> I have another small one to check for you :) 11:17 < niftynei> sure, what have you got 11:17 < t-bast> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/719 -> do you know if you're setting the var_onion_optin bit in invoice features? 11:17 < t-bast> I know we didn't so we weren't compliant with conner's proposal 11:22 < niftynei> i believe that we are setting it in invoice features 11:22 < niftynei> https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/blob/master/common/features.c#L60 11:23 < t-bast> great, perfect then! 11:24 < t-bast> thanks for those quick checks, I'll head off and enjoy the last evening before a flurry of xmas dinners and lunches 11:24 < t-bast> see you next time! 11:24 < niftynei> tchau! 11:25 -!- t-bast [~t-bast@2a01:e34:ec2c:260:94bc:96dc:f4b4:f7b1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25 <+roasbeef> ysangkok: I brought it up on the noise mailing list back when i was drafting brontide, trevor seemed to be ok w/ it, can prob search the list (was 2 yrs ago or so) to find his original post 11:26 <+roasbeef> i think since then they might've made some chnages (evolved pretty quickly) to specify a diff key rotation (or maybe the same, haven't been keeping up with it too closely lately) 11:29 <+roasbeef> ysangkok: here's the post https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/noise/2017/000869.html 11:29 -!- nobody123 [~nobody123@5.180.62.31] has joined #lightning-dev 11:29 <+roasbeef> hmm actually don't think that's the right one 11:36 -!- hiroki_ [9d418223@pl102435.ag2001.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 11:37 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 11:59 -!- hiroki_ [9d418223@pl102435.ag2001.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03 -!- nobody123 [~nobody123@5.180.62.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03 -!- nobody123 [~nobody123@5.180.62.31] has joined #lightning-dev 12:08 -!- nobody123 [~nobody123@5.180.62.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:30 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 12:31 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #lightning-dev 12:36 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:36 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 12:52 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:00 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@75-166-188-3.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:11 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:20 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:25 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2996:b1ff:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2996:b1ff:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #lightning-dev 13:35 <+roasbeef> ysangkok: oh reading your msg again, that section was added _after_ we adopted rekying into brontide, the section was actually inspired by our work as the noise spec previously didn't cover it 13:37 <+roasbeef> even that section is just advisory, it advises use a one way func, we use hdkf w/ the prior state, nothing super glamarous or hard to reason about 13:52 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 14:12 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:18 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@50-193-68-226-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #lightning-dev 14:52 < darosior> t-bast: I think I spotted the error on our side. 15:01 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #lightning-dev 15:47 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 16:02 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.135.198] has joined #lightning-dev 16:02 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.22.135.198] has quit [Changing host] 16:02 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 16:22 < ysangkok> roasbeef: thanks, i'll forward that 16:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 17:14 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@75-166-188-3.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- riclas [~riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06 -!- marcoagner [~user@2001:8a0:6a55:8f00:81e3:c539:c514:2d18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:11 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 19:44 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20 -!- kloinka [~quassel@223.177.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:38 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 20:43 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:43 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 21:14 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:56 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has joined #lightning-dev 21:56 -!- yaslama_ [~yaslama@bzq-218-78-150.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56 -!- yaslama [~yaslama@bzq-218-78-150.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:23 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 22:38 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #lightning-dev 22:49 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has joined #lightning-dev 23:12 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 23:27 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:45 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Dec 24 00:00:46 2019