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15:36 < fiatjaf> is eltoo possible with OP_CSV instead of OP_CLTV?
15:36 < fiatjaf> for keeping update transactions in order
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15:45 < ysangkok> fiatjaf: afaik CSV is superfluous, but CLTV is not
15:45 < ysangkok> without CLTV, how are you committing to the fact that only subsequent states may replace the current state?
15:47 < fiatjaf> yeah, indeed, I was confused because the eltoo whitepaper said it was possible 
15:47 < fiatjaf> but really it doesn't seem to be
15:47 < fiatjaf> if you try to use CSV past states will be able to spend future states
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16:24 < ysangkok> regarding CSV johnson lau had a mailing list post about it: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2018-December/016574.html
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17:12 < fiatjaf> seemed very rude
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17:15 < fiatjaf> or maybe not
17:15 < fiatjaf> very good and clarifying nonetheless
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