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10:45 < downystreet> i just recently set up a lightning node and whenever i start lightningd the bitcoind daemon gets connect errors
10:46 < downystreet> im getting socket recv error connection reset by peer (104) and socket recv error connection timed out (110)
10:47 < downystreet> can anyone help me with this?
10:47 < cdecker> downystreet: can you share some logs from bitcoind?
10:47 < downystreet> im running it on ubuntu server on a different computer
10:47 < cdecker> I wouldn't worry about the errors, it probably just means we closed the connection after a successful JSON-RPC call
10:48 < downystreet> alright
10:48 < downystreet> i also had a question about setting up a channel
10:49 < downystreet> someone sent funds to an address i generated in the lightning-cli several hours ago but nothing is showing up when i run the listfunds command
10:49 < downystreet> does it take a while for the funds to show up?
10:51 < cdecker> Yep, c-lightning only shows confirmed funds, so if the TX was not confirmed you'll not see it yet
10:51 < downystreet> is it ok to go ahead an connect to a peer or should i wait until i have the funds?
10:52 < cdecker> Connecting is perfectly fine, even encouraged to sync the network topology, you can later fund a channel once the funds arrive :-)
10:53 < downystreet> alright thanks for your help.
10:53 < cdecker> No problem, anytime
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11:31 < downystreet> im getting an error message when trying to connect to a peer
11:32 < downystreet> code: 401 message: "[ip address]: connection establishment: connection timed out
11:33 < downystreet> im using the 'dig lseed.bitcoinstats.com A' command and then searching 1ml.com to get the public key
11:35 < downystreet> ive tryed two different ones now
11:42 < darosior> downystreet: Yep a lot of nodes announce invalid addresses... Even more on testnet, and even even more on 1ml
11:43 < downystreet> ok
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13:07 < cdecker> testing nodes for reachability has been on my roadmap for lseed for a while now, might be time to actually implement that
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15:54 < gleb> Do you guys know any api to get all the LN nodes? I can't figure how to do pagination on 1ml, and it returns only the first 50 records..
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16:11 < darosior> gleb: I can give you a listnodes() output from my seednode if you want ?
16:14 < darosior> https://send.firefox.com/download/9081e4af4e808296/#sxOY-LfvKn6-LZ99EC7olw
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17:08 < downystreet> I'm having trouble opening a channel in the lightning node. when I try to send funds to a peer, its coming back with error messages.
17:09 < downystreet> code: -1 message: they sent error channel [public key]: you gave bad parameters: channel_reserve_satoshis 546sat and 546sat too large for funding 850sat
17:09 < downystreet> also code:301 message: "Cannot afford transaction" but i should have enough
17:12 < downystreet> listfunds gives value: 3089 amount_msat: 3089000
17:12 < gleb> daorsior: thank you!
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17:15 < downystreet> can anyone help me with this?
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19:00 < downystreet> im trying to open a channel but the minimum i need is .0002. I only have the equivalent of $0.20 deposited to the lightning node. Are there nodes out there with lower minimum rates to start a channel? if anyone could donate to this address:  bc1qx3zm07n93c3mfz6rygagh0y94pdzxkrethp4h7 .......I would greatly appreciate it
19:00 < downystreet> i need $1.27 worth of btc
19:00 < downystreet> .0002 btc
19:01 < downystreet> here is a qr code https://lewd.pics/p/?i=Yq25.png
19:01 < downystreet> for donations
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20:16 < mol> downystreet, you can't open a channel with pennies, get on Testnet to play, test coins are free
20:17 < downystreet> so i can open a channel with testcoins?
20:18 < mol> yes, on testnet
20:18 < downystreet> but that's not the actual lightning network is it?
20:18 < mol> mainnet requires real money, testnet uses play money
20:18 < downystreet> ok
20:18 < downystreet> well the problem is that im a monero miner and im new to mining
20:18 < downystreet> so i dont have much money built up
20:19 < mol> then play on testnet
20:19 < downystreet> ive got $11 but i have to reach a certain threshold to get the money
20:19 < downystreet> i dont understand why bitcoin makes it this difficult
20:19 < mol> sorry can't help you there
20:19 < downystreet> you have to be rich to open a channel
20:19 < mol> no
20:19 < downystreet> i cant even exchange $4 on an exchange because they have minimums
20:20 < downystreet> i have $4 of monero that i cant exchange
20:20 < mol> what can you buy with $4?
20:20 < downystreet> i mean i have a monero daemon that i setup
20:20 < downystreet> and it didnt cost anything
20:20 < downystreet> im collecting fees from it
20:21 < downystreet> it seems like bitcoin there are alot of barriers to entry not to mention the fact that its a pain in the ass to even get the lightning node setup and running
20:21 < downystreet> add on top of that you have to give money to it
20:22 < downystreet> i cant buy anything with $4 but i can only mine so much a day with what ive got
20:22 < downystreet> i dont have 1000 dollars to buy bitcoin
20:22 < downystreet> then nobody's even going to donate to open a channel
20:23 < downystreet> whats the point
20:23 < downystreet> might as well quit
20:24 < downystreet> cant even donate a $1.27 worth of bitcoin to expand your own network.. i can't help you there
20:24 < mol> on some forums if you beg for bitcoin you can be banned
20:24 < downystreet> haha
20:25 < downystreet> i mean do lightning want to suceed or not?
20:25 < downystreet> why should you have to fund a channel
20:25 < mol> it's already succeeded
20:25 < downystreet> to expand the network
20:25 < mol> without your "help"
20:25 < downystreet> lol
20:25 < mol> you fund a channel because you want to go shopping
20:25 < downystreet> don't they want more people to run nodes to decentralize the network?
20:25 < mol> if you have no money, no shopping
20:25 < downystreet> i dont want to shop i want to collect fees
20:26 < downystreet> this whole process is a pain in the ass
20:26 < mol> there's no fees to collect
20:26 < mol> that's a misconception
20:26 < downystreet> ?
20:26 < mol> there's hardly any fees, so don't dwell on it
20:26 < downystreet> it is something though
20:26 < mol> nope
20:27 < downystreet> i don't understand why it's so difficult. with monero all i had to do was download the daemon and run it and my wallet starts collecting fees
20:28 < mol> monero isn't lightning, why's it so difficult to understand?
20:28 < downystreet> with this you have to run the bitcoin daemon, then run the lightning daemon, then you have to try to connect to peers after 10 attemps failed to connect
20:28 < downystreet> i mean i litterally spent an hour just trying to find a peer that would accept connections
20:28 < downystreet> thats ridiculous
20:29 < downystreet> and then after that i find out that i need more than $0.20 cents to open a damn channel
20:29 < downystreet> thats crazy
20:29 < downystreet> how is this not failing?
20:29 < mol> some people open channels with hundreds of dollars
20:30 < downystreet> im not rich. isnt the point of crypto to be decentralized?
20:30 < mol> again, you misunderstand what lightning is about
20:30 < downystreet> lightning network is basically saying if you don't have money you cant open channels
20:30 < mol> correct
20:30 < downystreet> its only for the rich
20:30 < mol> it's for people who want to do business
20:30 < mol> can you open a business with no money in real life?
20:31 < downystreet> why would they not simplify it and allow me to open a channel without sending money?
20:31 < mol> use testnet
20:31 < downystreet> running a node is not opening a bussiness its supporting the infrastructure of the network
20:31 < downystreet> they shoujld be paying me to host a node
20:31 < downystreet> not the other way around
20:31 < mol> lol 
20:31 < downystreet> im using my electricity and my time to set it up
20:31 < downystreet> and my hardware
20:31 < downystreet> and knowledge
20:32 < mol> then you don't know what lightning is about
20:32 < downystreet> and then they want me to pay them ?
20:32 < downystreet> thats messed up
20:32 < downystreet> there's got to be incentive
20:32 < mol> ok, use testnet to learn, good luck
20:32 < downystreet> i wont be surprised if the lightning network goes down from lack of network
20:33 < downystreet> how many people actually spend the time to set up a lightning node?
20:33 < downystreet> i doubt its large numbers
20:33 < downystreet> lack of peers and no connections
20:33 < downystreet> the lightning network will go down from this one day and im going to laugh my ass off
20:34 < downystreet> because they couldnt even give someone $1.27 worth of bitcoin to open a channel on a node
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20:46 < rusty> downystreet: your channel is way too small.
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21:34 < downystreet> we are talking about milisatoshis here
21:34 < downystreet> $0.20 should be enough to fund a channel
21:37 < downystreet> thats around 3800 satoshis. thats a pretty big number to me
21:37 < downystreet> or 3,800,000 milisatoshis
21:40 < downystreet> what you're basically saying is that 3,800,000 milisatoshis is inadequate to open a channel
21:40 < downystreet> thats a pretty big number
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