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ZZZzzz…] 07:27 < zmnscpxj_> ja, steill: It is possible using the same techniques that allow LN channels to host an HTLC, then publish a final 2-of-2 spend on the blockchain 07:27 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: It is possible using the same techniques that allow LN channels to host an HTLC, then publish a final 2-of-2 spend on the blockchain 07:29 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: Basically, create a temporary "channel" that hosts the "onchain" HTLC. Set up (but not sign) funding to 2-of-2, then create an `nLockTime`d transaction spending the 2-of-2 back to the HTLC offerrer, then publish the funding tx and wait confirm 07:31 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: Then HTLC offerrer creates transaction that spends 2-of-2 with a past `nLockTime` to the actual HTLC, signs it, and gives its signature to the HTLC acceptor. 07:31 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~da39a3ee5@2403:6200:8876:255c:18d1:c1a9:13be:6f9e] has joined #lightning-dev 07:32 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: HTLC acceptor can now safely release hash, since it can claim the funds onchain if necessary. 07:33 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: Then the HTLC offerrer creates transaction that spends 2-of-2 with a post `nLockTime` to an address that is sole control of HTLC acceptor, then HTLC acceptor completes the signature and broadcasts. 07:33 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: et voila, a spend from a 2-of-2 without any HTLC spoor onchain. Do note that 2-of-2s are very rare and almost all are related to Lightning, so it does not give much benefit pre-Taproot 07:34 < zmnscpxj_> ja, stiell: What I described is basically just a Spilman channel that is single-use-only, which is what you want for an onchain HTLC that is hidden by a 2-of-2 07:35 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #lightning-dev 07:45 -!- zmnscpxj__ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #lightning-dev 07:45 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lightning-dev 07:46 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46 -!- bitromortac [~admin@gateway/tor-sasl/bitromortac] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47 -!- bitromortac [~admin@gateway/tor-sasl/bitromortac] has joined #lightning-dev 07:47 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47 -!- cryptoso- [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lightning-dev 07:49 < zmnscpxj__> gleb: Re: one hop MPP: that is the reason why short-channel-ids in onion routes are considered "non-normative" --- they mention a particular channel, but do not tie the forwarding node to use that specific channel, or ***only*** that specific channel 07:49 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50 < zmnscpxj__> gleb: Re: one hop MPP: so a forwarding node with multiple channels to a single node can use any of them, or any combination of them; I presume the lnd devs are working on this or have this working 07:50 < zmnscpxj__> gleb: Re: one hop MPP: C-Lightning has no intention of supporting multiple channels per node, so we do not intend to implement this 08:02 -!- yzernik [~yzernik@c-67-169-76-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:42 -!- Bugz [~pi@035-134-224-053.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.3] 08:44 -!- mol_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 08:45 -!- Bugz [~pi@035-134-224-053.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:47 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:49 -!- musdom [~Thunderbi@202.184.0.102] has joined #lightning-dev 08:51 -!- musdom [~Thunderbi@202.184.0.102] has quit [Client Quit] 08:52 -!- da39a3ee5e6b4b0d [~da39a3ee5@2403:6200:8876:255c:18d1:c1a9:13be:6f9e] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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That seems awfully generous to anti-privacy business, so I'm wondering if there are better alternatives. 23:52 -!- DeadWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58 -!- madatun_1 [~madatun_3@103.135.251.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58 -!- madatun_1 [~madatun_3@240e:3b3:30b1:5c50:846:ae39:949c:397f] has joined #lightning-dev --- Log closed Sun Jan 10 00:00:11 2021