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12:00 < rusty> Hi all!  C-lightning dev meeting (all welcome!) at https://meet.jit.si/CLightning-Open-Meeting
12:01 < rusty> (Oops, wrong window, sorry!)
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12:27 < BlueMatt> rusty: while you're here, one random comment I've been meaning to mention to you - re: splicing stuff: I think it's gonna be somewhat important eventually for splice to be asynchronous without "pausing" the channel. specifically, if you are providing liquidity to an "end user" who may not be online all the time, you'd *really* like the ability to splice-out your part of the balance at will without interaction.
12:28 < BlueMatt> rusty: for that to work, we'd need to support a "persistent splice-out" thing where you keep signing the splice transaction as a part of htlc updates as we go.
12:29 < BlueMatt> splice in and out is cool, but persistent splice like that is gonna be a base requirement for LSPs eventually, I'd think, and I'd really like to move away from this world where LSPs are super super customized lightning and instead just mostly c-lightning configured in a certain way
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13:10 < rusty> BlueMatt: yeah, you could do that, but it's really an optimization.  After all, if you can unilaterally splice out some funds, you can't use those funds for HTLCs.  So you're overcommitting to the channel so that you can avoid a splice in in future, which is kind of weird (why not just splice in when they need it?).
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13:12 < BlueMatt> rusty: imagine an LSP - many users may receive funds repeatedly, and you'd prefer to not splice in every time they receive funds. so you overcommit your liquidity somewhat to most users, maybe just active users, but sometimes whatever heuristic you use is wrong. sometimes users go on vacation and their device is offline for a while, now you've got liquidity tied up in a channel that isn't gona be used for a while.
13:12 < BlueMatt> it'd be nice if the LSP has the ability to recover from overly-optimistic liquidity heuristics.
13:15 < rusty> Sure, but that's a different feature from splicing, really.  Shares some things in common, but it's kind of orthogonal.
13:15 < BlueMatt> i mean its unilateral splice-out
13:15 < BlueMatt> you could suggest it be a separate thing, sure, but that's just a scoping question.
13:17 < BlueMatt> and my point in mentioning it is it seems y'all are putting in a bunch of legwork to make splice simpler in order to avoid ~this specific thing. my point is that's cool, but lets stop and think whether we may want this before we do legwork to make this impossible.
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