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11:08 < riclas> is there some LN wallet that takes care of channel management for the user and keeps funds always available offchain? somekind of reverse muun :D
11:10 < riclas> phoenix is kind of like that right?
11:13 < BlueMatt[m]> What do you mean “reverse Muun”? IIUC Muun always keeps all funds available offchain
11:14 < riclas> sorry... i meant onchain
11:14 < riclas> no.
11:14 < riclas> i did mean offchain.
11:14 < riclas> muun keeps it layer 1, it does submarine swaps for ln payments
11:15 < riclas> i'm reading phoenix now, it seems it does what i asked
11:17 < BlueMatt[m]> No, Muun keeps the funds in unidirectional payment channels with overcommitment for inbound funds. You can always send your full balance outbound over lightning without hitting chain
11:18 < BlueMatt[m]> For inbound it only provides some limited liquidity to you, somewhat less than other LSP-assisted wallets like Phoenix and breez
11:19 < riclas> uh, i must have misunderstood it. thanks for the correction
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11:32 < riclas> BlueMatt[m] did that change recently? because all info i found up to last august says they do keep funds onchain and do swaps for ln
11:38 < BlueMatt[m]> I don’t believe so. Indeed, lots of documentation on Muun is somewhat unclear, and tons of people have written vaguely incorrect things about it. It’s behavior of using unidirectional payment channels seems to be surprising to people.
11:44 < riclas> tweet i found for reference: https://twitter.com/MuunWallet/status/1432590901843537927
11:48 < BlueMatt[m]> Ugh they’re referring to their unidirectional design there, indeed it’s very confusing. There’s no punishment/ability to misbehave in unidirectional payment channels, which is why they say there’s no need for watchtowers.
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