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05:24 < instagibbs> jeremyrubin, if you have chaperone sigs, I don't thnk so? well, unless counterparty shares the shared secret
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06:32 < jeremyrubin> With chaperones, it's still first party malleable, and you also don't have attributable attacking since it's not a unique key per user. 
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06:36 < instagibbs> glad you agree
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07:39 < jeremyrubin> note that chaperone signatures seems to be somewhat at odds with the goals of SIGHASH_BUNDLE
07:39 < jeremyrubin> so i had figured that chaperone signatures were 'out'
07:39 < jeremyrubin> is the idea to pair BUNDLE and chaperones?
07:39 < instagibbs> I don't assume yet another proposal, that doesn't have bip, is gonna make it ;P
07:39 < instagibbs> I wasn't considering that no
07:40 < jeremyrubin> it does have a BIP i thought
07:41 < jeremyrubin> https://github.com/ariard/bips/blob/coinpool-bips/bip-group.mediawiki
07:41 < instagibbs> oh nice, I meant bip number, but good to see
07:41 < instagibbs> thanks
07:43 < jeremyrubin> it might even have more than one bip competing to be the thing
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13:33 < ariard> yeah the bip is really rough and still need to specify first the annex
13:33 < ariard> and there were discussions on the LN side to extend the semantic to SIGHASH_ANYAMOUNT 
13:34 < ariard> like be able to reuse the HTLC amount itself to pay for the fees, in a safe way that your counterparty can't burn it 
13:34 < ariard> see https://github.com/lightning/bolts/issues/845
13:38 < ariard> jeremyrubin: do you have a full write-up of all the attacks/nuisances a fee-bumping primitive must mitigate ? flavors of pinnings, mempool flushing, package limits squatting
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13:57 < jeremyrubin> no i should though
13:57 < jeremyrubin> ariard: isn't it simple it just has to make the most money
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14:03 < bucko> But that isn't so simple of a calculation iiuc: https://gist.github.com/glozow/25d9662c52453bd08b4b4b1d3783b9ff#mining-score-example
14:04 < ariard> jeremyrubin: wdym? like the most-feerate-efficient from the PoV of counterparties
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14:25 < jeremyrubin> i was just joking 
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