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00:22 < realtbast[m]> For Phoenix we currently chose to maintain the end-to-end onion.
00:23 < realtbast[m]> We forward HTLCs even though there is no channel, but wrapped in a custom lightning message that also contains the fees we'd take to open a channel on-the-fly: this lets the recipient do the MPP recipient logic and wait for all parts to arrive before deciding to accept the on-the-fly channel or not
00:24 < realtbast[m]> Then we have custom logic on the recipient (Phoenix) to deviate from the spec for those HTLCs
00:25 < realtbast[m]> It would be trivial to do (a) and (b) in eclair as well
00:25 < realtbast[m]> Our current model for Phoenix isn't perfect at all though: Phoenix releases the preimage when accepting the on-the-fly channel before we create the funding tx 
00:26 < realtbast[m]> And we take our fee from the funding amount of the channel
00:26 < realtbast[m]> That's an area we'd like to improve in the future
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11:29 < BlueMatt[m]> cool, thanks realtbast! btw you should join the "LSP Spec Group" folks on telegram. would be cool to get y'all's input there as well.
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