--- Log opened Mon Jul 25 00:00:30 2022 00:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@193-115-86-46.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:22 < realtbast[m]> For Phoenix we currently chose to maintain the end-to-end onion. 00:23 < realtbast[m]> We forward HTLCs even though there is no channel, but wrapped in a custom lightning message that also contains the fees we'd take to open a channel on-the-fly: this lets the recipient do the MPP recipient logic and wait for all parts to arrive before deciding to accept the on-the-fly channel or not 00:24 < realtbast[m]> Then we have custom logic on the recipient (Phoenix) to deviate from the spec for those HTLCs 00:25 < realtbast[m]> It would be trivial to do (a) and (b) in eclair as well 00:25 < realtbast[m]> Our current model for Phoenix isn't perfect at all though: Phoenix releases the preimage when accepting the on-the-fly channel before we create the funding tx 00:26 < realtbast[m]> And we take our fee from the funding amount of the channel 00:26 < realtbast[m]> That's an area we'd like to improve in the future 00:43 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:44 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 01:00 -!- riclas [riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 01:06 -!- riclas [riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #lightning-dev 02:00 -!- wpaulino [~wpaulino@user/wpaulino] has quit [Quit: You have been kicked for being idle] 02:04 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@178.249.214.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-90.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #lightning-dev 03:06 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 03:11 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 03:22 -!- riclas [~riclas@26.27.71.148.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 03:38 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #lightning-dev 04:11 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #lightning-dev 04:43 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 04:45 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 05:12 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #lightning-dev 05:49 -!- jespada [~jespada@190.7.36.46] has joined #lightning-dev 06:10 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:15 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 08:28 -!- gleb106 [~gleb@178.150.137.228] has joined #lightning-dev 08:29 -!- gleb10 [~gleb@178.150.137.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:45 -!- wpaulino [~wpaulino@user/wpaulino] has joined #lightning-dev 09:50 -!- Guest40 [~Guest40@071-084-240-202.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 10:50 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:50 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 11:29 < BlueMatt[m]> cool, thanks realtbast! btw you should join the "LSP Spec Group" folks on telegram. would be cool to get y'all's input there as well. 11:33 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-90.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:34 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@178.249.214.23] has joined #lightning-dev 12:19 -!- jarthur [~jarthur@user/jarthur] has joined #lightning-dev 12:54 -!- rusty [~rusty@120-88-143-52.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 13:50 -!- jarthur_ [~jarthur@user/jarthur] has joined #lightning-dev 13:51 -!- jarthur [~jarthur@user/jarthur] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@120-88-143-52.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:05 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:06 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 15:19 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@178.249.214.23] has quit [Quit: kexkey] 15:23 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@178.249.214.23] has joined #lightning-dev 15:48 -!- jespada [~jespada@190.7.36.46] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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