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02:43 < remyers[m]> Splice question:  can a splice include one side adding/removing funds, and the other side also simultaneously adding/removing funds? I couldn't tell from the BOLT if splice_ack: funding_satoshi is always the same as the splice they received, or if that is where the receiver specifies the new balance they want. The description for funding_satoshi seems to indicate it's always from the pov of the side that sent splice.
02:57 < remyers[m]> Nevermind -  I see that both sides  can add/remove to/from their capacity during the interactive tx phase.  Only unsure now what purpose 'funding_satoshi' serves in the initial splice and splice_ack.
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17:40 < roasbeef> so what does this mean: 
17:40 < roasbeef> > SHOULD send gossip messages as it generates them regardless of timestamp.
17:40 < roasbeef> relevant section re gossip timestamp: https://github.com/lightning/bolts/blob/master/07-routing-gossip.md#the-gossip_timestamp_filter-message
17:40 < roasbeef> trying to debug a potential gossip propagation issue 
17:40 < roasbeef> seems like it contraditcts the earlier mention? 
17:41 < BlueMatt[m]> iirc its a reference to shit you generated yourself
17:41 < BlueMatt[m]> ie you should send your own gossip no matter what the filter says
17:41 < roasbeef> yeah I think so, this is elsewhere:
17:41 < BlueMatt[m]> what issue are you seeing specifically?
17:41 < roasbeef> > MUST not send gossip it did not generate itself, until it receives gossip_timestamp_filter.
17:41 < roasbeef> basically ppl reporting that stuff takes a while to propagate, or it doesn't at all 
17:42 < roasbeef> trying to determine if it's just things happening "eventually" or we're supressing some messages we should send out 
17:42 < roasbeef> we fixed some instances we saw in the itests, but that was due to like there being diff timers and no delay between the nodes in the testbed 
17:43 < roasbeef> my hunch is we're filtering too much somewhere, some ppl patched to just not do any filtering (which sends out duplicate messages, which is better than just your stuff not going out I guess)
17:43 < roasbeef> (diff topic): I ran the recording of the past transacript thru Whisper, it came out ok: https://github.com/lightning/bolts/issues/1046#issuecomment-1339950717
17:46 < roasbeef> hmm, I think we just might not be properly prioritizing sending out stuff _we_ generate 
17:52 < BlueMatt[m]> I do really worry about the "only receive messages from three peers" thing nodes do, easy to see a world where individual nodes end up on islands, fwiw. Really need to do the gossip v2 thing
18:00 < roasbeef> fwiw re rotate it it every few mins, but the strawman alternative would be getting a lot of duplicate announcements from like 1k+ peers or w/e 
18:00 < roasbeef> also helped to reduce resource utilization when we made the switch over too 
18:01 < BlueMatt[m]> yea, no, I'm not suggesting we drop it entirely, i was referring to the old posts on using minisketch
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