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andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16 < pinheadmz> _aj_ instagibbs still wondering about this -- the penalty funds must come from another source outside the funding tx? as in, if you want to broadcast any Update, you need to put in the penalty funds. And if you indeed are broadcasting the true final state, you just get it back 10:17 < instagibbs> IIRC it's just discounting the value for various transactions, if the path to get there was through "cheating" 10:18 < instagibbs> if Bob's revocation txn makes it to block, it means Alice got an invalidated state mined 10:19 < pinheadmz> https://gist.github.com/ajtowns/53e0f735f4d5c06a681429d937200aa5#file-eltoo-2stage-L55 10:19 < pinheadmz> this line "change output to channel capacity + penalty" 10:19 < pinheadmz> implies there is new money on top of funding tx ? 10:21 < instagibbs> It's not a spec, you might want to just dm aj 10:28 < _aj_> pinheadmz: i think for n-party eltoo you need the penalty funds to come from somewhere else, but for 2-party you can just deduct from the penalised party's channel balance 10:28 < _aj_> pinheadmz: the gist assumes you're pulling the funds in externally, the mailing list post assumes you're deducting from the channel balance 10:28 < pinheadmz> gotcha thanks 10:29 < pinheadmz> i kinda like the external thing, like if you wanna unilaterally close you have to put up a bond kinda 10:29 < _aj_> you have to pull in funds externally to pay for fees for a unilateral close anyway, so i figured it wasn't a big deal 10:29 < pinheadmz> ah right 10:53 -!- jurvis [uid580787@id-580787.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #lightning-dev 11:50 -!- _Sam-- [~sam@52.152.220.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:30 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #lightning-dev 15:35 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined #lightning-dev 15:36 -!- _andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 17:33 -!- scalability-junk [uid6422@user/scalability-junk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:01 -!- _andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined #lightning-dev 20:03 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:03 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #lightning-dev 20:13 -!- jonatack2 [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #lightning-dev 20:14 -!- jonatack1 [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:46 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 22:46 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:55 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined #lightning-dev 23:56 -!- _andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Fri Dec 16 00:00:47 2022