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01:35 < carlakc[m]> Should I write up a flag day for experimental endorsement in https://github.com/lightning/blips/pull/27 ? Kinda crossing the line for BOLT/BLIP, but I don't have a better place for it (other than a random gist). 
01:48 < realtbast[m]> Do you mean a flag day for setting the TLV? Or a flag to deprecate it?
01:49 < realtbast[m]> By the way, the encoding isn't entirely clear: when it is set, should it be an empty TLV (with length = 0x00)?
01:50 < realtbast[m]> Why would be encoded as: 0xfe0001001300 
01:51 < realtbast[m]> And simply missing when not set
01:51 < realtbast[m]> s/Why/Which/
02:03 < jungly> Saw some discussion around mailing list hosting options. Just curious if we considered the mailman setup provided by source forge?  https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Mailing%20Lists/
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02:19 < cdecker[m]> We (bitcoin-dev) were on source forge at the very beginning, but they started doing some dodgy stuff, like manipulating source snapshots with ads, and rewriting mails in the ML to include ads and breaking signatures by doing so. 
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03:20 < carlakc[m]> <realtbast[m]> "Do you mean a flag day for..." <- Flag day for setting it. 
03:22 < realtbast[m]> Sure, I think that would make sense, but the actual flag day value should probably depend on the state of implementation? I believe on the eclair side that's something that could be done by the end of the year, what's the status for other implementations?
03:24 < carlakc[m]> Yeah, would need to plug the actual date in based on when folks are ready. But there's some detail to be written up like only setting it as a sender some % of the time which I want to write up somewhere in the meantime. 
03:24 < carlakc[m]> <realtbast[m]> "By the way, the encoding isn't..." <- I was thinking that we'd have a TLV containing a zero or 1 value
03:25 < carlakc[m]> We could aim to save the bytes for the actual spec, but for the experimental run I think it's valuable to know the difference between "set and zero" and "not set at all"?
03:40 < jungly> cdecker: thanks for sharing the context
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05:41 < realtbast[m]> Ok, so the encoding would rather be 0xfe000100130100 when not endorsed and 0xfe000100130101 when endorsed?
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05:42 < realtbast[m]> That should be explained in the bLIP, as boolean values aren't always encoded this way in the spec currently (e.g. the require_confirmed_inputs TLV in dual funding is a boolean flag that is only encoded to true by being present with a length of 0, and false when absent)
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06:18 < carlakc[m]> <realtbast[m]> "Ok, so the encoding would rather..." <- Yeah exactly. 
06:21 < carlakc[m]> <realtbast[m]> "That should be explained in..." <- Will write it up!
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