--- Log opened Fri Jan 19 00:00:33 2024 00:04 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #lightning-dev 00:06 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:07 -!- jarthur [~jarthur@user/jarthur] has quit [Quit: jarthur] 00:12 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:34 -!- darosior7 [~darosior@109.205.214.46] has joined #lightning-dev 00:34 -!- darosior [~darosior@109.205.214.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:34 -!- darosior7 is now known as darosior 01:05 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #lightning-dev 01:31 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 02:31 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lightning-dev 03:12 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #lightning-dev 03:14 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:15 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has quit [Quit: quit_reason] 03:51 -!- vikanezrimaya [375e84341b@2a03:6000:1812:100::d9c] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:51 -!- angusp [9e8eed9774@2a03:6000:1812:100::1048] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #lightning-dev 03:56 -!- test__ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59 -!- vikanezrimaya [375e84341b@2a03:6000:1812:100::d9c] has joined #lightning-dev 03:59 -!- angusp [9e8eed9774@2a03:6000:1812:100::1048] has joined #lightning-dev 04:29 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #lightning-dev 04:31 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:58 -!- kevkevin [~kevkevin@45.112.54.10] has joined #lightning-dev 05:11 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #lightning-dev 05:11 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16 -!- kevkevin [~kevkevin@45.112.54.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16 -!- kevkevin [~kevkevin@45.112.54.10] has joined #lightning-dev 05:29 < instagibbs> I wasn't making any claims about attacker profitability here just being pedantic 05:30 -!- kevkevin [~kevkevin@45.112.54.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has joined #lightning-dev 05:38 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:40 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has quit [Client Quit] 05:43 -!- kevkevin [~kevkevin@45.112.54.10] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has joined #lightning-dev 05:52 -!- kevkevin [~kevkevin@45.112.54.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45 < Ademan> you can tell me to just drop it, but... isn't profitability a synonym for incentive here, and whether penalties "work" is precisely whether the incentives encourage or discourage cheating? 06:46 < Ademan> or do penalties not "work" in some other sense that I'm missing? 06:47 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:48 -!- warmhug [~warmhug@gateway/tor-sasl/warmhug] has joined #lightning-dev 06:50 < instagibbs> that was a xitter convo, rather not port it here 07:05 < Ademan> ok, I'll drop it. I appreciate your time in that thread, I imagine I'm missing something fundamental here that's sending me on the wrong track. 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