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01:30 < molz> cluelessperson, what do you mean "to simulate lightning networking"?
01:32 < molz> the best thing to understand LN is get your hands on it, install LND and test it for yourself... but i guess you won't do it
01:36 < cluelessperson> Emcy: a simulation of an entire network
01:36 < cluelessperson> molz: I might actually
01:37 < cluelessperson> molz: install lightning in 20 containers and produce billions of transactions
01:39 < molz> eh     
01:44 < cluelessperson> molz: eh what?
01:45 < molz> not what you mean what you just said, how do you "produce billions of transactions"
01:45 < molz> s/what/sure
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02:54 < lightningbot2> <johan> melvillian: look up shachain :)
02:54 < lightningbot1> <johan> melvillian: look up shachain :)
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09:34 < esotericnonsens_> 1 million tx/sec on one node seems pretty obscene
09:35 < esotericnonsens_> for multiple reasons, the CPU requirements seem bonkers (say it's 4000 cycles for one tx, you have pegged a core)
09:35 < esotericnonsens_> it is also every citizen of, say, the UK performing a transaction once every minute
09:36 < esotericnonsens_> i think I perform 5 on a busy day and I'm in a metropolitan area doing frequent stuff
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09:36 < molz> hey i would love it if i have a node.. and 1 mil people connect to my node and send 1 mil satoshis per second to my node ...
09:49 < Emcy> there are only 300 nodes in britain as it is
09:53 < MaxSan> Im sure that will bounce up when lnd goes primetime
09:53 < MaxSan> and people have a secure way to host this lightning box essentially
10:00 < Emcy>  its not necessary to run any kind of bitcoind to utilise lightning
10:00 < Emcy> i dont see how it will directly influence it
10:51 < MaxSan> Broadcasting your own open and closes surely is an advantage to reliability and privacy?
10:51 < MaxSan> For testing I have been running one locally but I suppose connecting to a third party wouldnt make any difference
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11:15 < esotericnonsense> https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lnd `The Lightning Network Daemon (lnd) - is a complete implementation of a Lightning Network node and currently deployed on testnet4 - the Bitcoin Test Network.`
11:15 < esotericnonsense> testnet4 eh?
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11:39 < esotericnonsense> are there any tools around for decoding lightning payment requests? lnd doesn't like the starblocks format (guessing that the format differs between eclair and lnd)
11:39 < esotericnonsense> if i can decode it i can just use dest/amt/hash
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11:55 < esotericnonsense> am I correct in thinking eclair/starblocks is BOLT11 and lnd is not?
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14:15 < lndbot1> <johanth> Correct. I'm working on bolt11 for lnd, most likely ready in a few days :)
14:15 < lndbot> <johanth> Correct. I'm working on bolt11 for lnd, most likely ready in a few days :)
14:20 < esotericnonsense> cool. i managed to decode it using the tool in the bolt11 rfc anyway. still no luck in using lnd to send a payment, need to get a route, not sure this will be possible
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14:22 < molz> what do you mean "need to get a route"?
14:30 < esotericnonsense> the payment request i have does not include an address to connect to i think, just a pubkey
14:35 < molz> esotericnonsense, ah, yes you need to connect to another node.. "lncli connect .."
14:36 < molz> and then to make transactions you need to open a channel
14:36 < esotericnonsense> i have connected to a node and opened a channel, the node with which i am connected is not the one that will receive the payment though, so it needs to have a route to the final destination is my understanding
14:36 < esotericnonsense> queryroutes with the pubkey gives me 'target not found'
14:37 < molz> is the other node connected to you or the node you're connected to?
14:38 < esotericnonsense> it's not connected directly to me
14:38 < esotericnonsense> WRT the latter - how can I find out? i figured that was the purpose of queryroutes (e.g. it will fail if not)
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15:33 <@roasbeef> cluelessperson: the docker-compose setup that's included in the repo makes it pretty easy to do things like that
15:33 <@roasbeef> esotericnonsense: there's the decodepayreq PR call, exposed on lncli
15:34 <@roasbeef> esotericnonsense: if queryroutes says target not found, then your node doesn't see that vertex in the graph at all
15:44 < esotericnonsense> roasbeef: the decodepayreq call works on a different format, i decoded it using the tool at https://github.com/rustyrussell/lightning-payencode (bolt11)
15:45 < esotericnonsense> it might be that i have a misunderstanding about how LN works, README.md seems to indicate that there might be incompatibilities between different implementations?
15:45 < esotericnonsense> like are the nodes I see on eclair running on a partitioned network to lnd?
15:45 < esotericnonsense> (this is a guess)
15:46 <@roasbeef>      
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15:46 < esotericnonsense> attempting to connect to the node which eclair wallet gives me doesn't work unless I'm mistyping
15:46 < esotericnonsense> https://0bin.net/paste/HcVcuAFUujkM-S3a#8Z1D51TUTeWkBMDcZtZnThMTskyyvJiRXhNzKFdRq4t
15:49 < Emcy> is it possible/reasonably pleasant to test some L channels on windows yet? On testnet
15:49 < Emcy> id like to get some testcoins from a faucet and open a couple of channels and seee if i get any routing
15:50 <@roasbeef> Emcy: it's been possible to test on windows since lnd was created?
15:51 < Emcy> i mean yall got any binaries? Cos i cant into compilation
15:51 <@roasbeef> esotericnonsense: we advertise some feature bits that we reqiure at in order to partition dated versions of lnd from each other, eclair doesn't advertise those, so we disconnect due to feature mismatch atm
15:51 < esotericnonsense> Emcy: what's all this nonsense you've been around here for years, get on it :P
15:52 < esotericnonsense> roasbeef: ah, I see
15:52 <@roasbeef> I have a set of changes locally atm that should be pushed out later today, smooths out the remainig incompatabilities, doing some final testing atm
15:59 < molz> Emcy, you can use powershell and windows cmd to compile lnd
16:07 < Emcy> esotericnonsense im gonna install ubuntu on something first
16:07 < Emcy> if im gonna learn how to compile things i may aswell do it on a sensible platform
16:08 < Emcy> but that doesnt help my desire to dick around with LN now
16:09 < esotericnonsense> syncing btcd with testnet is going to take longer than any other step
16:09 < molz> Emcy, if you want to install on windows, it's very easy
16:09 < esotericnonsense> compiling lnd and btcd took me a few minutes, syncing testnet took me half a day or so
16:09 < molz> trust me, i was clueless about this thing and got help from jrick from this channel
16:10 < esotericnonsense> installing ubuntu takes less than an hour, or you could just boot the usb and do everything from there heh
16:10 < molz> if i can learn to read a linux guide to do on windows, anybody can do it
16:11 < Emcy> you over-estimate my attention spam
16:12 < Emcy> wait i have to use btcd? not bitcoind
16:13 < Emcy> huh its bitcoin reimplemented in go
16:13 < Emcy> cos lnd is also go, i guess
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16:15 < molz> yes     
16:16 < molz> first off, you install Go on windows:  https://golang.org/doc/install#windows
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16:24 < molz> and then you set the env variables, then create a "Work" directory for your Go projects, then compile/install Masterminds, btcd, lnd.. , let btcd sync testnet.. run lnd ...
16:26 < Emcy> wut masterminds
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16:38 < molz> it's where you get glide
16:38 < molz> C:\work\src\github.com\Masterminds> git clone https://github.com/Masterminds/glide
16:39 < molz> yea sorry i should've said "intall glide"
16:41 < Emcy> wut glide
16:48 < molz> it's a tool to get vendor dependencies
16:48 < molz> like before you can compile bitcoin you have dependencies first
16:49 < molz> have to get*
16:51 < molz> i put together a linux guide for myself to install Go, btcd, lnd:  https://0bin.net/paste/gx86Vn3Klh6W-Z8o#9KbEhJ7XVI-mUCkugxgF+xFY690sOwp8lrts1umyRlX
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23:43 < molz> "Made another @lightning test app, help testing wanted :grinning: https://ln-articles.herokuapp.com/"  https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/899428799539847168