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02:20 < lndbot> <johanth> It will automatically find the best path, if that is multihop, it will be used
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07:35 < mlz> Elizabeth Stark is speaking at Baltic Honeybadger Conf:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHc81OL_hk4
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10:26 < JackH> js lnd fully compatible with the BOLT specs now roasbeef ?
10:26 < JackH> js = is
10:27 <@roasbeef> JackH: yuh
10:27 < JackH> so this is it
10:27 < JackH> beta?
10:27 <@roasbeef> some minor things like properly dipsatching errors still to be done, but it's mostly complete
10:27 <@roasbeef> soon come
10:27 < JackH> ok, nice, cos we want to start deploying this with some merchants
10:27 <@roasbeef> dope
10:27 < JackH> and see what the response might be
10:28 < JackH> I doubt we will have transactions since "nobody" is using it
10:28 < JackH> but its worth a shot to issue channel payments and see who bites
10:28 <@roasbeef> heh, up tick will be organic, once there's education, and people see demos out there, etc
10:28 < JackH> I fully agree
10:28 <@roasbeef> also a seamless mobile experience will be important
10:28 < JackH> consider this one of the first organic developments
10:29 < JackH> the mobile wallet being neutrino?
10:29 <@roasbeef> we have lnd running on iOS+android, and some devs have already started experiment with UX, etc
10:29 <@roasbeef> yeh so neutrino+lnd+gomobile is our target
10:29 < JackH> ah yeah but thats more end user product
10:29 <@roasbeef> need to optimize the sync itme on neutrino on mobile a bit
10:29 <@roasbeef> yeh     
10:29 < JackH> for me the backbone is the important bit here
10:29 < JackH> anything on top of it is just "stuff" like any other stuff out there
10:29 <@roasbeef> biz's of course can see immediate utility and start to set up the backbone/core of te net
10:30 < JackH> I agree
10:30 < mlz> JackH, why don't you create a prototype and run on testnet to let your merchants see first?
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10:30 < JackH> we have played around with lnd quite a lot already on test
10:30 < JackH> but there is a huge difference to move real value and test value, it just makes it....real
10:30 < mlz> if you're not ready, or not doing anything with it on testnet and let the merchants play with it first, they won't be convinced
10:31 < JackH> our merchants are convinced we give them the correct answers ;)
10:31 < mlz> so your merchants have their own developers and create LN for themselves?
10:31 < JackH> they just hook into our APIs
10:32 < mlz> this is how justin built a testnet prototype for bitrefill:  https://lightning.bitrefill.com/canada/
10:33 < JackH> is this lightning enabled yet?
10:33 < JackH> cos I see: Full privacy. The top up happens as soon as the transaction clears, normally within 10 minutes.
10:40 < mlz> yes     
10:40 < mlz> you can play with it on testnet
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12:06 < fronti> i want to give the lightning app from https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/releases/tag/0.1-alpha a try but it looks that the sync not finisch as the app try 165.227.7.29 .. is there a way to give the app another peer?
12:10 < fronti> hmm, tried again it works..
12:11 < fronti> but still with the server but its now syncing
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13:49 <@roasbeef> fronti: not finished?
13:49 <@roasbeef> oh that's a dated version, we've modified the neutrino light client protocol a bit
13:49 <@roasbeef> there're newer versions you should try out
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13:51 <@roasbeef> we'll prob be releasing a newer version of the app early next week, with a bunch of bug fixes on the backend, and will also contain the necessary changes so it's compatible with the other implementations
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14:13 < fronti> roasbeef: ok thanks .. i try then also next week again.. and at the moment it is still syncing .. but nevermind i just want to take a look on the app :) so i test next week again
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21:20 < tomatopeel> would it be possible to have a
21:21 < tomatopeel> oops, sorry
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22:31 <@roasbeef> tomatopeel: you can do anything you set your mind to m8
22:53 < daedal> Is there any public API to get statistics about the network? Such as # of nodes, volume, etc?
23:01 < cryptosoap1> daedal: It's not a public api but `lncli getnetworkinfo`, http://api.lightning.community/?shell#describegraph
23:02 < cryptosoap1> Which I think stevenroose put into `dot` and made https://stevenroose.github.io/lightninggraph/
23:05 < lndbot> <justin> I'm on master, here's what mine shows
23:05 < lndbot> <justin> {     "graph_diameter": 0,     "avg_out_degree": 0.9828080229226361,     "max_out_degree": 58,     "num_nodes": 349,     "num_channels": 343,     "total_network_capacity": "4003794612",     "avg_channel_size": 11672870.588921282,     "min_channel_size": "10000",     "max_channel_size": "16777216" }
23:09 < daedal> cryptosoap1, thanks I'll take a look
23:11 < daedal> is there any explanation in the docs of what those fields mean? What is the units of those size fields?
23:11 < daedal> Other than here: http://api.lightning.community/?shell#getnetworkinfo
23:14 <@roasbeef> the thing people are using to draw the graphs is the describegraph call daedal
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