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04:38 < epxlain> Hi     
04:38 < epxlain> Can anyone explain me the lightning network?
04:38 < epxlain> How it will change transaction speed?
04:38 < epxlain> Please.
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05:03 < georgeangel[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zVzw912wPo - is a great explanation
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12:11 < cluelessperson> hey guys, I saw this youtube video
12:11 < cluelessperson> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73Gz3Tvx3k&t=34s
12:11 < cluelessperson> and I wanted to say you're doing really amazing stuff
12:12 < Sentineo> +1     
12:12 < Sentineo> no  +10 :)
12:13 < mlz> cluelessperson, but... do you know .. it's written in.. freaking Go?  :P
12:14 < cluelessperson> mlz: I'm merely biased against go, but I'll get over that
12:14 < mlz> actually the app isn't
12:14 < cluelessperson> mlz: sorry
12:14 < mlz> lnd backend is in Go, i've heard enough biases and i don't even know Go so i don't care
12:15 < mlz> but refusing to understand the tech because of the lang it's written in is just absurd to me
12:16 < Sentineo> yeah I do not know go sadly
12:16 < Sentineo> but I do not know C++ either
12:16 < Sentineo> so I am ok :D
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12:29 < cluelessperson> mlz: That's not refusing to learn the tech, that's difficulty in installing new software on my server and managing a new environment that I don't know
12:29 < cluelessperson> that's unknown security models, unknown dependencies, unknkown issues, unknown configuration
12:29 < cluelessperson> that takes time to figure out
12:30 < mlz> it's not that difficult, you just didn't want to try
12:31 < mlz> i've had lnd nodes on vps servers and windows laptops
12:32 < mlz> now i'm playing with Eclair mobile wallet, if you don't want to try lnd, you can play with Eclair, but i'm not going to ask you anymore
12:37 < cluelessperson> mlz: I don't have time to try right now.
12:37 < cluelessperson> I work, take classes, and I have papers due tonight
12:37 < cluelessperson> ahhhhhh
12:37 < cluelessperson> :P     
12:37 < mlz> it's ok, i understand
12:38 < mlz> i thought you wanted to understand LN because you kept asking questions
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13:17 < cluelessperson> mlz: Oh I do, just don't have tie right now
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13:17 < cluelessperson> mlz: I plan on installing it all within a vm and pestering you to death :)
13:19 < Provoostenator> I managed to open two channels, but if "lncli openchannel --peer_id=6 --local_amt=1000000" is stuck for several minutes, so I just keep waiting?
13:19 < Provoostenator> Or ctrl + c abort?
13:19 < Provoostenator> (testnet)
13:27 < mlz> Provoostenator, what's --peer_id=6 ?
13:27 < Provoostenator> Just one of the peers in "lncli listpeers"
13:28 < Provoostenator> I ended up restarting lnd. Now that particular peer is not in my peer list, so my guess is that it wasn't reachable.
13:29 < Provoostenator> And now "lncli listchannels" just freezes.
13:29 < mlz> no, you need to connect to the pubkey
13:29 < mlz> you have to connect to the pubkey first then open channel
13:29 < mlz> try this: lncli connect 029bc664f7a44356b0add76acf585c1e7e8185fbe23971e7d51ab43f149ae7899a@lnd.bitrefill.com
13:30 < mlz> then:  lncli openchannel 029bc664f7a44356b0add76acf585c1e7e8185fbe23971e7d51ab43f149ae7899a 16000000
13:31 < Provoostenator> I was previously able to open a channel wiht just peer_id, but I'll try your example.
13:31 < mlz> o really? hm interesting
13:32 < Provoostenator> The result of that connect command is " "peer_id": 0"
13:32 < Provoostenator> And I'm not seeing it in my listpeers
13:33 < Provoostenator> "unable to start peer: peer did not complete handshake within 5 seconds"
13:33 < mlz> i'm trying this and it's hanging:  lncli openchannel --peer_id=47 1200000
13:34 <@roasbeef> peer id doesn't work at all
13:34 <@roasbeef> it'll be removed
13:36 < mlz> roasbeef, will it be replaced with something else?
13:36 <@roasbeef> nope
13:36 <@roasbeef> just peer key, as that's actually stable
13:36 < mlz> ah ok
13:37 < Provoostenator> @roasbeef: What do you mean by "doesn't work" though? I was able to open two channels that way. But maybe that's why it's listchannels freezes?
13:37 <@roasbeef> it's depracated
13:42 < Provoostenator> Trying to open a channel with a random peer using they key, now I get "not enough witness outputs to create funding transaction, need 0.001 BTC only have 0 BTC  available", despite
13:42 < Provoostenator> lncli walletbalance says "confirmed_balance": "57985336". I think I broke it...
13:43 <@roasbeef> peer id based channel opening isn't maintained at all, may have hit a weird, case, i think it'll remove it all together latery today
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13:46 < Provoostenator> I'm also not able to make lnd die gracefully with ctrl+c, I always have to force quit it. So maybe that messed it up even more.
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14:01 < Provoostenator> I wiped everything except lnd.conf and restarted lnd. mlz: still no luck connecting to that bitrefill node.
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14:01 <@roasbeef> you need to wait for it to sync
14:01 <@roasbeef> you can't open channels until it has synced
14:02 < Provoostenator> I believe it's synced. I was even able to get a new address and fund the wallet.
14:02 < Provoostenator> I have 0 peers this time.
14:03 <@roasbeef> it'll take a bit to bootstrap the peers, many running peers have been abandonded
14:04 < Provoostenator> Do you know one I can try?
14:09 < Provoostenator> I found one in my old log files. Does "RPCS: (connectpeer): error connecting to peer: EOF" mean the peer doesn't exist?
14:10 < Provoostenator> Anyway, restarting helped. I have a peer now.
14:11 <@roasbeef> no need to retart constantly
14:12 <@roasbeef> that's a benign error, the peer was listening, but isn't anymore. there're a lot of abandaoned nodes ont he network
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14:29 < Provoostenator> When you fund the wallet that's usually 1 UTXO. Then, when you open a channel, that uses the UTXO. When opening a second channel it complains about a lack of witness outputs. Can it not trust its own change output?
14:29 <@roasbeef> it doesn't spend unconfirmed change
14:30 < Provoostenator> Why is that? (e.g. the Core wallet does spend unconfirmed change)
14:31 < Provoostenator> And given the same fee, I would just expect both channels funding txs to end up in the same block.
14:37 <@roasbeef> the wallet only spends confirmed change currently
14:37 <@roasbeef> testnet is wild, acts nothing like mainnet
14:38 < Provoostenator> Yes, it's quite different. Especially with SegWit transactions not getting mined most of the time.
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22:08 < cluelessperson> okay! :D
22:08 < cluelessperson> I'm home and ready to run a lightning thing
22:08 < cluelessperson> paper written
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