--- Day changed Thu Jan 11 2018 00:04 < Veggen> fiatjaf: For now. There exists ideas and tests for better routing protocols, but the priority now is to launch a stable version, even if routing doesn't scale to a million channels yet. 00:05 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:08 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 00:12 -!- naribia [adefe857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.232.87] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.9] has joined #lnd 00:28 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 00:31 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.16] has joined #lnd 00:46 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 00:48 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 00:49 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:57 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 01:05 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 01:07 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@73.181.185.197] has joined #lnd 01:16 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@73.181.185.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.23] has joined #lnd 01:28 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:31 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@aoe110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #lnd 01:39 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 02:18 -!- scalability-junk [sid6422@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cuadfrhljwrddvoc] has quit [Quit: Updating details, brb] 02:18 -!- scalability-junk [sid6422@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrxvlgsitvdevbzd] has joined #lnd 02:56 -!- molz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:58 -!- mlz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 02:59 -!- aakselrod [aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:02 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@162.243.220.95] has quit [Quit: ~] 03:04 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@162.243.220.95] has joined #lnd 03:05 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@162.243.220.95] has quit [Client Quit] 03:06 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@162.243.220.95] has joined #lnd 03:15 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Quit: we out here] 03:21 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd 03:25 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Client Quit] 03:25 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd 03:25 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Client Quit] 03:27 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd 03:38 < sdfgsdf> when do we launch a stable version 03:38 < sdfgsdf> for mainnet 03:39 < Veggen> I think a lot of people would like answer to that. 03:39 < Veggen> But, this is actually money we are talking about. Launching a version 1.0 with problems would be bad. 03:40 < Veggen> We don't need to solve everything. We can have a less than optimal routing algorithm, for example, if we expect to solve it before it becomes a problem. 03:40 < Veggen> but it needs to be safe and relatively stable/usable. 03:42 < Veggen> but if we wait longer than needed, the market will launch it itself. We are seeing the beginning of that, with TorVPN launch. 03:42 -!- sdfgsdf is now known as chill_pill 03:54 < scalability-junk> @veggen what's the context with TorVPN? 03:55 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@116.192.16.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56 < fronti> torvpn is accepting payments through lightning on the main net 03:56 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has joined #lnd 03:57 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:1c61:1d8f:34cc:57dd] has joined #lnd 03:58 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58 < fronti> just a question. what happen if I delete .lnd/data/testnet3/bitcoin/channel.db and i have open channel with money assigned to them. is this lost then? 03:58 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@116.192.16.175] has joined #lnd 03:59 < scalability-junk> Ahh thought only torguard was using lightning on main net. 04:00 < fronti> hmm, ok maybe i mixed them 04:00 < scalability-junk> So we have 2 providers already. Interesting. Any main net explorers already? 04:00 < Veggen> torguard it was.My bad. 04:00 < fronti> and mine then too :) 04:00 < scalability-junk> :( was already happy that 2 providers jumped the gun :D 04:01 < Veggen> My feelings are mixed. If they do it too early, they won't get any customers, which can be spun to "noone wants LN". 04:02 < Veggen> and if they do it way to early, and it's too buggy, that 's also bad. Even if people do their wn judgements abot it. 04:02 < zyp> I think the way it'll have to go is that businesses needs to start accepting LN payments first, then user adoption will follow 04:03 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 04:03 < zyp> users won't put money on LN before there's anyone to pay 04:04 < Veggen> zyp: First exchange that launches a usable LN service will have a shitload of customers. 04:06 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:07 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07 < scalability-junk> Yeah best use case for LN. Have a channel open with your exchange. Fast instant deposits without counter-party risk. Would also be easy to fund the channel as the funds would be big enough as it could be "all I need to sell for rent etc. for 6 months" or so. 04:08 < zyp> I agree 04:08 < Veggen> will be centralized at that stage, but it'll be centralization that can be routed around as need grows. 04:09 < Veggen> amazon would also be pretty big. 04:09 < Veggen> or digitalocean or similar. 04:09 < scalability-junk> imo it's not about it being centralized. It's about it being less risky as before to hold funds "on" an exchange. 04:10 < Veggen> centralizaton are being used in counter arguments. 04:10 < scalability-junk> And yeah big hubs will be the start with higher costs for routing around probably. But to reduce that risk mainly needs 2 hubs you are connected to and maybe 1-2 merchants and later on your personal network. 04:10 < Veggen> That, and regulation. 04:11 < scalability-junk> Yeah the counter argument is valid to the point that one always can go back to on-chain and route around. Why regulation so? 04:12 < Veggen> scala: Lot of FUD about itl. That LN nodes will be regulated as money transmitters. 04:12 < Veggen> (in US) 04:14 < scalability-junk> Good that I don't really care about the US. Also even if that is the case the LN would also work with just merchants and exchanges being routable nodes. 04:14 < scalability-junk> Anyway. Let's work on the tech and make it work and see, what actual problems will come up. 04:17 < Veggen> agreed. 04:21 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:25 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 04:26 -!- tumi [tumi@u.nix.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:26 -!- tumi [tumi@u.nix.is] has joined #lnd 04:27 -!- AndyS2 [~noname@static.74.88.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:27 -!- AndyS2 [~noname@static.74.88.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 04:38 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38 -!- maret [58d41c32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.28.50] has joined #lnd 04:39 < maret> hi is there some rebutal to https://medium.com/@homakov/why-lightning-and-raiden-networks-will-not-work-d1880e4bc294 article? 04:42 < Veggen> maret: It's very likelLN will start off with hubs. 04:42 < Veggen> ...but they can be routed around whenever that actually gives problems. 04:42 < fiatjaf> I fail to see the problem with hubs if they have no power over anyone's money. 04:43 < maret> Hmm need to play with LN bit more my self. Btw What if Coinbase and blockchain info won't implement Segwit anytime soon? A lot of transactions are still non segwit 04:43 < fiatjaf> about the "market will launch" problem, well, Bitcoin was never officially launched, right? 04:44 < Veggen> maret: At least coinbase has said they will. 04:44 < maret> well doesn't seem to be priority for them and there is no deadline 04:45 < Veggen> but I believe not doing it will actually costing them markets share. 04:46 < maret> Veggen: don't think so , most people at least during this bubble don't know, don't care about Segwit 04:46 < maret> most people aren't cypher punks 04:46 < Veggen> agreed, it's a problem. need user education. 04:47 < Veggen> but LN will make it quite a bit more obvious. 04:47 -!- wxss [~user@31.192.111.176] has joined #lnd 04:48 < zyp> IMO it doesn't matter to me whether coinbase uses segwit or not, what matters is the fees they charge their customers 04:48 < Veggen> zyp: and they are pretty high. 04:48 < maret> don't think education matter that much, most people care very little about these things. Best way is to create some really compelling apps, which they can use and so far there are little application of crypto. Developping world can't use it and developed have better alternatives 04:48 < zyp> Veggen, then use an exchange that charges less fees 04:49 < Veggen> I haven't used coinbase in a very long time. 04:49 < maret> zyp: would be problem if the customer would actually use Bitcoin, but most HOLD (I think) 04:49 < zyp> maret, how so? 04:49 < Veggen> maret: And it actually makes sense to hold. Economically :) 04:50 < maret> Veggen: yeap that's why they hodl 04:50 < zyp> last I bought bitcoin on coinbase, I transferred it out through gdax and paid no withdrawal fees, only purchase fees 04:50 < maret> therefore they won't use it and therefore thay don't care about fees 04:51 < zyp> not using segwit internally just means they are getting less of a margin after paying the transaction fees 04:51 < maret> they don't need to use segwit internally , they can use offchain transactions internally 04:51 < Veggen> zap: yes. Not using segwit is costing them money. 04:51 < maret> not internally 04:51 < Veggen> ...for GDAX transfers. 04:52 < zyp> maret, by internally I mean whatever they are using between deposits and withdrawals 04:52 < maret> by internally i mean moving money from coinbase to GDax I suspect that's all centralized database so moving is for free for them 04:52 < zyp> i.e. deposit and change addresses 04:52 < zyp> sure, I'm not talking about that 04:52 < Veggen> they'd save a shitload by batching transfers too. 04:53 < maret> yeah they seem to do that 04:53 < zyp> but when coinbase processes a withdrawal, they are spending UTXOs, the question is whether these UTXOs are segwit or not 04:54 < zyp> whether they are or not impacts transaction weight which impacts transaction fees 04:54 < fiatjaf> maret: just read the article. the guy complains about hubs not wanting to open channel and lock their btc with people. or people doing sybil attacks on hubs. that's stupid. there doesn't have to be a hub that locks its fees for lightning to work. it can work if only people starting the payment open the channels. think an exchange: someone wants to deposit money there, he opens a channel and transfers the money. when he wants to withdraw money the channels 04:54 < fiatjaf> is already open and he can do it. if lots of people do that they can already send payments all to each other, passing through the exchange. if the same happen in three exchanges we already have a super network to which other people (and other "hubs") can attach themselves. 04:55 < fiatjaf> the guys didn't read any of the discussions on this topic that happened in the last years, didn't watch a single talk or whatever, he's just raising noob criticisms that don't apply. 04:57 < fiatjaf> on the other point: if there's anyone who wants to be a hub that opens channels with people and put their money in first -- because they think this will be profitable somehow -- they can do it. exchanges today require tons of documents to approve accounts and people do provide them. sybil attacks are very unlikely in these conditions, a hub can just require and manually verify documents. 04:58 < fiatjaf> (I'm saying all that even though I haven't also read much of the discussions on these topics) 04:58 < fiatjaf> (so it's a noob rebuttal) 05:01 -!- chill_pill [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:01 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:01 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.23] has quit [] 05:15 < maret> fiatjaf: thanks will have to look into my self 05:16 < scalability-junk> @zyp coinbase doesn't batch and mostly doesn't do dust cleanup. They have an enormous amount of UTXO, which are not accessible due to them not caring about transaction fees. There is even the logic, that they are basically insolvent on the BTC side due to the "unspendable UTXO". Fascinating really. 05:17 < scalability-junk> For coinbase itself they don't care about fees as they will just charge the customer. Comparing that to exchanges such as bitstamp, where the exchange actually pays everything as withdrawals are free. 05:17 < scalability-junk> (different story with gdax, but that's usually not the small transfers, but big ones where swallowing the withdrawal fee probably makes economic sense) 05:28 < zyp> pretty sure coinbase are batching 05:29 < Veggen> scalability: but it'd be possible to make it better over time, by having everyone *send* to segwit. 05:32 < mlz> zyp, you have any of coinbase's txs? 05:32 < zyp> I have made withdrawals from coinbase, so I could certainly look it up 05:33 < mlz> afaik they're still not batching 05:36 < zyp> yeah, you're right, I misremember, last withdrawal I did from coinbase were in november, and only had my output and change 05:40 < mlz> Coinbase has always had txs with one input and two outputs 05:41 < waxwing> i'm really curious, where does the name "brontide" come from? 05:42 < zyp> mlz, coinbase is not the only exchange I use so I must have mixed up 05:43 < mlz> waxwing, what's the name for? 05:43 < waxwing> lnd uses it for its implementation of bolt8, which is basically perrin's noise protocol 05:43 < waxwing> hmm maybe the name stems from bolt8 itself, but i don't remember seeing it when i read it 05:57 < scalability-junk> @veggen it would only get better with the fees going down. So yes everyone sending to segwit would help as the fees might go down. So it's interesting that coinbase isn't doing batching nor going to segwit. But they are a small startup and prioritizing other things takes the engineering time away from that. Good that we have sufficiently funded exchanges and wallets such as Samurai Wallet or Bitstamp :D 05:57 < waxwing> go's coverage tool is nice. dead easy. 05:57 < waxwing> scalability-junk, small startup?! they're a unicorn or whatever it's called. 05:59 < scalability-junk> Yeah they are one of the best funded companies in the space and the best funded exchange known. About $230 million in funding. 06:00 < waxwing> ok maybe missed :) 06:01 < waxwing> roasbeef, where are you getting the key rotation interval from? afaict it's not in the bolt or Perrin's original write up. maybe i missed it by ctrl-f fail 06:01 < scalability-junk> Thought I made it clear with comparing to Samurai and Bitstamp each of which have almost no funding. 06:01 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:02 < scalability-junk> How stable is btcd btw? Is master considered production ready? There wasn't a release in ages... 06:02 < waxwing> (right. but i think bitstamp is pretty well situated from what little i know) 06:02 < scalability-junk> Sure, but so should coinbase. Even more due to their passing through fees and their arbitrage like trading for customers. 06:05 < waxwing> roasbeef, ah indeed ctrl-f fail, it's in the bolt. thought it'd have to be, fine. 06:14 -!- nadtin [31cf3d60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.61.96] has joined #lnd 06:15 < nadtin> Hi all 06:15 < nadtin> didnt expect this forum to be so quiet :) 06:19 < mlz> what do you mean? 06:20 < mlz> i see a wall of text and you think it's quiet? 06:20 < nadtin> is this not the forum of the developers working on LN ? 06:20 < nadtin> I only se you my friend 06:21 < zyp> this is an irc channel, and you barely waited for a minute after joining before concluding it is quiet 06:22 < nadtin> lol... that must be because its missing the trolling probably 06:22 < nadtin> so used to that on telegram 06:23 < nadtin> i'm just seeking some info really.... you guys must be the geeks working on LN ? 06:23 < nadtin> is there any update on when is it expected to be out? 06:24 < zyp> I'm not working on LN, I'm just experimenting with using it on testnet 06:24 < zyp> but to answer your question: define "out" 06:25 < nadtin> out = main net ? 06:25 < zyp> there's nobody stopping you from setting up your own LN node on mainnet right now if you want 06:26 < scalability-junk> There are some users "using" it on main net, but currently the main net usage is not recommended or better it's still considered risky to do that before the software is tested more. 06:27 < zyp> there's no hard border on when LN is ready for mainnet, it's only a question of when you trust it enough that you are willing to put your own real money into it 06:27 < nadtin> so is it upto excahnges to take the call whether they want to deploy? 06:27 < zyp> it's up to every single participant, including you 06:28 < Veggen> nadtin: UNderstand that noone is going to *recommend* deploying it untilit is foolproof. 06:28 < nadtin> so who is to say its foolproof and fully tested? 06:28 < nirved> LN has been "out" for a year already 06:29 < zyp> nadtin, the people who put their money into it, i.e. you. 06:29 < Veggen> nadtin: This is open source. Anyone, really. 06:30 < nadtin> i dont get it... if transactions are so heavily backlogged and miner fee is sky rocketing and there is a solution to it on the table why are the exchanges not picking it up? 06:31 < nadtin> BTC seems to be dying and something needs to be done ASAP 06:31 < Veggen> BTC isn't dying. Any more than it did the previous 253 times. 06:31 < fronti> btc died 250 times before... 06:31 < fronti> :) 06:31 < nadtin> I have read all the obituaries too but 06:31 < zyp> if BTC were dying, it wouldn't be clogged up by people wanting to transact 06:32 < zyp> the whole backlog is a result of the opposite thing of dying 06:32 < Veggen> Do not believe the people in /r/btc or similar places. Understand that they are invested in the narreative that BTC is doing, and *will* spread FUD to make it seem like. 06:33 < Veggen> zyp: That and spam. Expensive spam, even. 06:33 < scalability-junk> Also exchanges don't always behave rational. Aka coinbase and their non adoption of Segwit or batching. 06:34 < lndbot1> @max @bvu the IRC bridge is acting weird, not showing chatters' names properly, slack seems screwed up today 06:35 < nadtin> from an market share standpoint its easily seen is BTC is going to soon face stiff competition... ETH is half the marketcap of BTC's declining market cap... and with so many ICOs out the market is spreading thinner 06:35 < nadtin> you guys think this is good for BTC? 06:36 < zyp> I don't think market cap is a very good measure of anything 06:36 < Veggen> nadtin: it faces competition. That is expected. 06:36 < lndbot1> guys, this is a development channel, pls take your social chat somewhere else 06:36 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 06:44 -!- yoink [~yoink@unaffiliated/yoink] has joined #lnd 06:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] AdamISZ opened pull request #591: Fix trivial comment errors in noise.go (master...master) https://git.io/vN3wn 06:57 < waxwing> roasbeef, i'm thinking it might be useful to add a test for the key rotation? it's probably quite trivial, but it'll take me a while because i'm not used to various things, but i'm happy to do it as a way of getting a better handle on some of this stuff. 07:00 < waxwing> (unless i missed something; the last section of the bolt8 test vectors covers this, but i don't think it's in the lnd codebase yet, right?) 07:02 -!- Teknari [2d389fd8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.56.159.216] has joined #lnd 07:16 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 07:16 -!- maret [58d41c32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.28.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:19 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwcmeawglbrndtqf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:21 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has joined #lnd 07:25 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 07:25 -!- goodc0re [b32b97e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.43.151.227] has joined #lnd 07:26 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:27 -!- wxss [~user@31.192.111.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:30 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 07:32 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:33 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has joined #lnd 07:41 < goodc0re> Hi there, I'm just following this installation guide for lnd: dev.lightning.community/guides/installation/ 07:41 < goodc0re> Everything fine until the test: 07:41 < goodc0re> vendor/github.com/miekg/dns/client.go:7:2: cannot find package "context" in any of: 07:43 < goodc0re> and when installing roasbeefs btcd: 07:43 < goodc0re> ./server.go:1388: undefined: time.Until 07:44 < goodc0re> thats on a VPS with Ubuntu 16.04 and go 1.9 07:44 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 07:45 < mlz> goodc0re, make sure you have your gopath set correctly 07:45 -!- JackH [~laptop@aoe110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lnd 07:52 -!- josephpoon [~josephpoo@2605:6400:20:9fc::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:52 -!- josephpoon [~josephpoo@205.185.122.187] has joined #lnd 07:52 -!- mode/#lnd [+o josephpoon] by ChanServ 07:58 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd 08:02 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has quit [Quit: we out here] 08:03 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lnd 08:09 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 08:11 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has left #lnd ["we out here"] 08:21 -!- Teknari [2d389fd8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.56.159.216] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:27 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 08:43 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 08:43 -!- wxss [~user@109.236.91.108] has joined #lnd 08:53 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 08:54 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 09:00 < onryo> I have the full blockchain from core. Anyway I can get btcd to use the blocks and chainstate from it? Was hoping I could just ln -s 09:01 < anome> onryo i think you have to do a resync? not sure though 09:01 < anome> onryo unfortunately 09:01 < anome> why isn't this working? lncli openchannel --peer_id=10 --local_amt=10000 09:01 < onryo> anome, fair enough. See the naming is a bit different though on the blocks 09:02 < anome> oops, my node wasn't even running 09:03 < anome> still not working though 09:03 -!- maret [~maret@ip-88-212-28-50.antik.sk] has joined #lnd 09:04 -!- nadtin [31cf3d60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.61.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:05 < rafalcpp> you can have an LN address that works for multiple sending of money, like donations? 09:05 < rafalcpp> typical webwallet does not allow me to send again to same LN invoice, that I tried 09:05 < rafalcpp> also, can you make a general address, and let user decide on amount? 09:07 -!- gabridome [~gabridome@net-5-88-182-182.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has joined #lnd 09:08 < maret> would proof of existence work with LN? It seems you need to have one transaction per POE so LN wouldnt help 09:08 < anome> rafalcpp an invoice can't be reused and is always defined by the recipient, not the sendee. but i *think* you should be able to send directly to a public key 09:08 < anome> rafalcpp haven't tried it, but i'm almost 100% 09:08 < anome> lncli sendpayment --dest 09:10 -!- vv [b03b0e4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.59.14.76] has joined #lnd 09:10 -!- vv [b03b0e4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.59.14.76] has quit [Client Quit] 09:11 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 09:12 -!- onryo is now known as qxt 09:21 < anome> my balance seems to have disappeared 09:23 < anome> lncli listchaintxns still returns my funding balance 09:23 < anome> my funding transaction* 09:23 < anome> lncli walletbalance returns zero 09:24 < anome> hmm, i seem to have a pending channel 09:24 < anome> maybe the funds are just locked up waiting for confirmation 09:25 < anome> can't see it in listchannels though 09:26 < anome> only in getinfo 09:29 -!- naribia [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has joined #lnd 09:32 -!- Pioklo__ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 09:38 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:50 < kmordic> im trying to fallow the instructions on this page http://lightning.community/lnd/faucet/2017/01/19/lightning-network-faucet/ . can anyone give me ideas on running a better operating system that they might be using other than linux mint? 09:51 < kmordic> follow * 09:51 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 10:05 -!- jukuli [jrasi@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:33 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 10:37 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 10:39 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 10:41 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 10:43 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 10:52 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 10:54 < mlz> kmordic, what's wrong? 10:55 < kmordic> im having the most impossible time trying to install golang. 10:57 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crhodphjhtfdfcfb] has joined #lnd 10:59 < mlz> kmordic, here's how i install go: https://paste.ee/p/b0n35#8ckJAm8fNcJEydZhyQBrIKLdblLMsSOE 11:00 < kmordic> wow... i forgot a "/" before $PATH:/usr/local/go/bin" ... 11:01 < kmordic> the usr part.... lol thanks i ganna continue ill ask if i get stuck again 11:10 < mlz> kmordic, cool, got it working? 11:11 -!- drexl [~drexl@62.112.9.166] has joined #lnd 11:14 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] wilmerpaulino opened pull request #592: lnrpc: make ChannelPoint.funding_txid a protobuf oneof and change CloseChannel endpoint (master...rest-close-channel) https://git.io/vNsTx 11:15 < kmordic> i got the command up and running, trying to figure out how to get "go get" to work. 11:16 < mlz> it should work if your gopath is correct 11:18 < kmordic> its should, if i can run go, it should just work right? 11:19 < mlz> right 11:21 < kmordic> so i run the command go get -u github.com/Masterminds/glide 11:22 < kmordic> says premission denied. 11:22 < kmordic> so i run sudo go get -u github.com/Masterminds/glide 11:22 < kmordic> sudo: go: command not found 11:26 < kmordic> nvm got it. 11:27 < kmordic> https://askubuntu.com/questions/118263/some-programs-not-found-when-used-with-sudo for future references 11:29 < waxwing> why are you using sudo to install? 11:33 < kmordic> wont let me otherwise 11:33 < kmordic> and why not? 11:34 < waxwing> i've installed it twice on ubuntu now, pretty sure i never needed it? it's not in the instructions is it? (not reading them right now) 11:35 < waxwing> meh i don't actually remember, i'll defer to others on that 11:36 < kmordic> no its in the instructions to use sudo, it just freaks out and tells me premissions are denied. 11:37 < waxwing> right, for go installation it is. but not for glide? 11:38 < kmordic> idk yet im actually stuck on that right now 11:38 < waxwing> after the go installation, seems like everything else is installed to ~ 11:38 < waxwing> if you set the GOPATH and PATH, it should work i think; it worked for me yesterday 11:39 < kmordic> i dont think my GOPATH is set right... 11:39 < waxwing> you can test your go installation is OK by doing making a very simple test program 11:39 < waxwing> i did that yesterday, the instructions are on the go installation/download page or whatever it is 11:42 < kmordic> yeah my glide command is not found, despite go get installing it. 11:43 < waxwing> i had that yesterday, check that your GOPATH/PATH is set right 11:43 < waxwing> PATH must have /usr/local/go/bin AND ~/gocode/bin 11:44 < waxwing> well the second one is actually $GOPATH/bin 11:46 < kmordic> is that edited under .bashrc or .profile? thats what im confused about, ive never edited these before. 11:47 < waxwing> ~/.bashrc 11:48 < waxwing> i'm not actually sure about .profile. dont' forget to source your bashrc 11:49 < qxt> is there a way to get neutrino to work on mainnet? Downloading 170GB is not really practical. 11:51 < qxt> or a way to get more core blockchain to work with btcd 11:51 < qxt> my^ 11:52 < kmordic> the problem is the website for golang is tell me to put the path one way, and the lnd instructions are telling me to do it another way. 11:53 < qxt> kmordic, did you export your path? 11:58 < qxt> might help... echo 'export PATH=/poopoo/peepee:$PATH' >>~/.bash_profile 11:59 < kmordic> ill try that i have to run right now thanks for your help ill be on later or tomorrow. thanks guys 12:00 < waxwing> i just stick 'em in ~/.bashrc and then do `source ~/.bashrc` or just start a new terminal. also `env | grep PATH` is sometimes useful :) 12:01 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lnd 12:17 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 12:19 -!- Pioklo__ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:21 < mlz> guys, set GOPATH in linux is easy, not like windows.. :P 12:22 < kmordic> apparently not for me... 12:22 < mlz> kmordic, i gave you the link how to install go and set GOPATH/PATH 12:24 < kmordic> o nice you did my bad. thanks ill check it out when i get back home. 12:26 < waxwing> mlz, ain't that the truth *shivers* 12:26 < waxwing> C:\\Help%Me%What%Are\\\\All%These%Backslashes 12:29 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 12:30 < mlz> lol wat 12:30 < mlz> ah lol 12:37 < qxt> How common is it that people use Windows these days? 12:37 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 12:44 < mlz> qxt, more common than anyone can imagine 12:44 < qxt> My 5 year old uses DebianEdu/Skolelinux the default that is in schools. Wondering how people get in contact with "pay" stuff 12:44 < mlz> what's pay stuff? 12:45 < qxt> Thought Windows was not free? 12:45 < mlz> what do you mean 12:45 < waxwing> we're OT again :) 12:45 < mlz> oh right :D 12:50 < qxt> meh Ill stick to - uname -a 12:50 < qxt> FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #0 r321665+d4625dcee3e(freebsd/11.1-stable): Wed Dec 13 16:33:42 UTC 2017 12:51 -!- maret_ [58d42102@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.33.2] has joined #lnd 12:52 < maret_> hello ,is it possible to install LN on raspberry pi 3 ? 12:54 < qxt> maret_, Can't really see why not. You might want to use core as the backend and download the blockchain on a faster computer. 12:55 < maret_> qxt: so I will still have to run full node somewhere? 12:55 < qxt> or... use neutrino 12:58 < maret_> ok will check that, I've found some info in installation notes(RTFM right? :P ) 12:58 < qxt> neutrino would ofc be the pragmatic way to do it. http://dev.lightning.community/guides/installation/ 12:59 < maret_> qxt: yeah I want to just test a lighting and connect it to simple web app for testing 12:59 < qxt> lnd --bitcoin.active --bitcoin.testnet --debuglevel=debug --neutrino.active --neutrino.connect=faucet.lightning.community 13:00 < qxt> and poof you are doing just that 13:02 < maret_> cool , btw what does it mean that lnd currently reqires btcd ? is btcd shortcut for a full node or it's go implementation of full node? 13:04 -!- goodc0re [b32b97e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.43.151.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:05 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lnd 13:05 < qxt> actually you can run lnd with a core backend. 13:06 < qxt> but to keep things simple using btcd is prolly a better idea imo 13:10 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11 < naribia> qxt: whats the difference 13:11 < qxt> naribia, btcd and lnd are in go 13:12 < naribia> qxt: but btcd and bitcoind have the same RPC interface ? 13:14 < qxt> https://gist.github.com/aakselrod/5644b9319041a796ba6ffca28062376e 13:14 < lightningbot4> TTBOMK both btcd and bitcoind support rpc, but btcd has native websocket support which makes getting certain notifications easier. the bitcoind patch that alex has been working is able to get notifications out of bitcoind using zeromq btcd is the only one atm that has support for compact filters required for neutrino, but jimpo is currently working on getting support for that into bitcoind 13:15 < qxt> naribia, also there are some other details. btcd does not have a wallet included etc. I do not speak "go" so I prefer core. 13:17 < naribia> right 13:17 < lightningbot4> wallet is split out https://github.com/btcsuite/btcwallet 13:17 < naribia> im more used to bitcoind so i didn't know running btcd was not strictly necesary 13:18 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.7] has joined #lnd 13:20 < maret_> btw how much does ln depends on better segwit support ? We still ahve only around 12 percent of transactions being segwit, What if bigger wallets like coinbase wont support segwit or LN anytime soon? 13:23 < zyp> maret_, not at all 13:25 < zyp> maret_, LN depends on the channel funding transaction having a segwit output, but the inputs to the channel funding transaction can be whatever 13:25 < zyp> IIRC 13:26 < zyp> as long as the channel is funded by a segwit UTXO, the timelocked contracts on the channel won't be malleable 13:26 -!- Erik_ [b00a89b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.10.137.179] has joined #lnd 13:27 < maret_> but you can't have segwit output if the other side won't support segwit or? Sorry if I am askign something basic , didnt look at details of LN yet 13:28 < zyp> sure you can 13:28 < maret_> can i open channel with coinbase user if coinbase doesnt support segwith nor LN? 13:28 < zyp> no 13:29 < maret_> well thats the problem then. Coinbase is taking its time implementing segwit, it will take them another time to implement LN :/ 13:29 < maret_> same goes for other big wallets 13:29 < zyp> well, those are very unrelated problems 13:30 < zyp> a wallet with segwit support doesn't really do anything itself to support LN 13:30 < maret_> yes i understand, I misspoke 13:31 < maret_> my worry is that even if LN would be ready technically today, the adoption from major players will take months and months 13:31 < maret_> as we are seeing with segwit 13:33 < zyp> I don't think it's fair to draw parallels, the market forces in play would look different 13:35 < maret_> at this stage I am bit pesimistic, especially because as we talked about today, most people seems to speculate, hodl their coins on 3rd party wallets and don't care about LN 13:35 < zyp> consider how it looks from a merchant perspective, say you run a webstore that accepts payment in bitcoin 13:35 < Veggen> maret: Difference is, with lightning you'll have benefit at the point where you know you can pay 3 (or 4, if you need to move your coins first) transactions with LN. 13:36 < zyp> as a merchant, adding segwit support makes no difference at all to your customer experience 13:36 < zyp> all segwit support does for you is saving you some of the transaction fees you'd have to pay when moving the coins you have received as payments 13:38 < zyp> the fees for the customers paying you depends completely on whether the customer has a segwit wallet or not, they pay the same fee whether you have a segwit wallet or not 13:39 < zyp> adding LN support on the other hand gives a completely different customer experience 13:40 < maret_> the problem is that adding LN support as a mearchant means waiting for your wallet provider to do so. 13:41 < zyp> assuming you outsource it 13:41 < maret_> as most people do 13:42 < maret_> and also the customers wallet would have to support LN 13:43 < zyp> customers are not limited to a single wallet 13:44 < maret_> sure but the will stick to status quo mostly 13:44 < zyp> just install eclair on your phone and put some funds on it, then you've got a LN spending wallet, and keep your savings where they are 13:45 < zyp> bitcoin fees being what they are, the incentives for the users to do that is there as soon as merchant support exists 13:48 < maret_> i hope but in this bubbly stage with all of the fighting I am really pesimistic 13:50 < zyp> spend less time worrying about politics and do something useful with it instead, have you tried LN on testnet yet? 13:50 < maret_> planning to do this month 13:50 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:1c61:1d8f:34cc:57dd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51 < maret_> anyway thanks for the tips and talk see you later 13:51 -!- maret_ [58d42102@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.33.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00 < Veggen> I will probably create an LN wallet the soon as I know that I will be able to do 3 LN transactions within a reasonable timeframe. 14:00 < Veggen> (3 meaningful, that is :)) 14:19 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20 -!- BladeMcCool [~BladeMcCo@node-1w7jr9ss1inb968eucy9yen8e.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23 < mlz> zyp, :thumbsup: :) 14:24 < zyp> :) 14:26 < naribia> does eclair have an iphone version? 14:26 < naribia> i think eclair is the only android lightning wallet so far 14:29 < qxt> ok so were did setalias go? 14:29 < qxt> Can I give my node a alias? 14:29 < zyp> did it go anywhere? IIRC it's not added yet 14:30 < qxt> Thought it was in the rpc stack? 14:30 < zyp> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/467 <- there's an unmerged PR 14:38 < mlz> naribia, you can ask in #lightning-dev 14:38 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] AdamISZ opened pull request #593: Add tests for key rotation from BOLT8 test vectors (master...noise_tests) https://git.io/vNs0F 14:39 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 14:51 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@static-108-29-95-16.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 14:51 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52 -!- tomichec [~pi@ip-86-49-245-1.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:53 -!- tomichec [~pi@ip-86-49-245-1.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 14:55 -!- kakobrekla [~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:58 -!- kakobrekla [~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla] has joined #lnd 15:03 -!- naribia [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:16 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 15:19 -!- JackH [~laptop@aoe110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30 -!- Erik_ [b00a89b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.10.137.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@static-108-29-95-16.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 15:54 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.156.175.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:16 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 16:29 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 16:39 -!- wxss [~user@109.236.91.108] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:50 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:59 -!- josephpoon [~josephpoo@205.185.122.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:00 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 17:04 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@static-108-29-95-16.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 17:08 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 17:16 -!- josephpoon [~josephpoo@2605:6400:20:9fc::1] has joined #lnd 17:16 -!- mode/#lnd [+o josephpoon] by ChanServ 17:23 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@static-108-29-95-16.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28 -!- naribia [adefe87b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.232.123] has joined #lnd 17:30 -!- lndbot1 [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- lightningbot4 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 17:30 -!- lightningbot1 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 17:30 -!- lightningbot1 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- lightningbot1 [~lightning@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 17:30 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 17:31 < lightningbot1> test 17:36 < mlz> test fails 17:37 < lndbot> bvu see? 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apart from travis being travis :) 04:54 -!- boldface [5501bedc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.1.190.220] has joined #lnd 04:55 < boldface> is the explorer from acinq refreshed in realtime? 05:00 < Veggen> I think everyone agrees that the explorer is not to be taken as the true state of the network. 05:20 < mlz> right, haven't you seen Dr Beef say the explorer is not the authority 05:24 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 05:24 * contrapumpkin hands roasbeef a cup of T 05:28 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:30 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 05:34 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50 -!- aakselrod [aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has joined #lnd 06:19 -!- boldface [5501bedc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.1.190.220] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:23 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgwwwznlczdxreva] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:51 -!- alfa [uid11513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtlfyscovhkkdyrx] has joined #lnd 06:56 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] halseth opened pull request #41: Inspect RejectCode instead of reason string for SendTransaction (master...send-transaction-rejectcode) https://git.io/vNG6b 07:06 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #594: Ignore ErrRejectDuplicate errors (master...publish-transaction-error-codes) https://git.io/vNGiN 07:30 -!- rompert [sid13298@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzwzezwakpofwyjr] has joined #lnd 07:31 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lnd 07:37 -!- maret [~maret@ip-88-212-28-50.antik.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:54 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 08:04 -!- EmperorSeptim [uid265175@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojxmdthrzdptenpc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:19 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 08:21 -!- EmperorSeptim [uid265175@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pilbycdimqewlkxy] has joined #lnd 08:37 -!- q-biq [q-biq@153.92.126.244] has joined #lnd 08:37 -!- q-biq [q-biq@153.92.126.244] has quit [Changing host] 08:37 -!- q-biq [q-biq@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has joined #lnd 08:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fronti, chjj, thrasher` 08:40 -!- kakobrekla [~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:45 < lndbot> @bvu the slack bridge is getting weird again 08:46 -!- kakobrekla [~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla] has joined #lnd 08:49 < contrapumpkin> how does c-lightning differ from lnd? just different implementations of the same idea, speaking the same protocol? 09:09 < waxwing> contrapumpkin, yes. the protocol is defined in the BOLTs (lightning-rfc repo on lightningnetwork github) 09:10 < contrapumpkin> cool 09:11 < contrapumpkin> are there major differences aside from the implementation language? 09:11 < contrapumpkin> like why might someone want to go with one over the other? 09:11 -!- alfa [uid11513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtlfyscovhkkdyrx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:14 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:19 < mlz> different dev teams with their preferred programming languages 09:23 < kmordic> thank you mlz for the GO install instructions, its syncing the block chain right now. 09:23 < mlz> cool.. :thumbsup: :D 09:24 < kmordic> so from my understanding, the instructions im following on this site http://lightning.community/lnd/faucet/2017/01/19/lightning-network-faucet/ is a test net chain? not real bitcoin. 09:24 < mlz> yes we're in testnet land 09:25 < kmordic> so can on use this same setup to run mainnet? 09:25 < kmordic> one* 09:25 < mlz> who would want to give out their bitcoins on mainnet? :D 09:26 -!- SevenTimes_ [SevenTimes@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/seventimes] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:26 < kmordic> me, to get this thing kicking into gear. i doubt theres any specific date that LN will role out and someone needs to start it. at least run a node. 09:27 < kmordic> im not saying i would do it right away, i want to play around with this before i throw real money into it. 09:27 < contrapumpkin> is there a milestone with known bugs before folks would feel comfortable recommending it on mainnet? 09:28 < kmordic> but soon enough to get the ball rolling. 09:35 -!- arubi_ is now known as arubi 09:41 -!- SevenTimes_ [SevenTimes@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/seventimes] has joined #lnd 09:42 < lightningbot1> Thanks moli, I'll do a bit more research abt the bridge to figure out what's going on there. 10:02 -!- aderium [4a7593aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.117.147.170] has joined #lnd 10:02 < aderium> i am asked if there is revenue to be made by hosting an LN node 10:04 < pigeons> maybe. likely to be race to the bottom 10:04 < zyp> aderium, nobody knows where the fee level will end up in practice, it's an open market 10:16 < grubles> i think it might end up like joinmarket makers, race to the bottom (like what pigeons said) 10:19 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:25 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 10:35 <@roasbeef> waxwing: travis weirdness, there're also a few lingering flakes due to timiing issues on travis, sometimes we get a full instance, sometimes we get some nokia phone somewhere, most of the test assertilnos are based on async notifications, mbut some arten't, and the timeouts are always prefect in thos estates 10:42 < waxwing> roasbeef, but just to be sure: there's a lot of fails, which i totally can understand, but my ones seem to have gone into permanent yellow purgatory. not that it matters. anyway: it's travis and that's that :) 10:43 < waxwing> nokia phone, good one :) 10:49 < mlz> oh cool.. looks like htlc.me got something changed, "Network" is more visible 10:50 < mlz> better organized too, thanks, alexbosworth :D 10:51 < lndbot> Yeah I gave it some love 10:53 < mlz> ok but where is the node key 10:54 < mlz> oh nvm found it 11:10 -!- BladeMcCool [~BladeMcCo@node-1w7jr9ss1inba5kpvewbys0dr.ipv6.telus.net] has joined #lnd 11:11 < Rozal> Quick question 11:12 < Rozal> People complain about centralized LN hubs reducing privacy, couldn’t someone just create a privacy LN hub, which then routes transaction through itself before going to a main wallet provide like coinbase (which probably wouldn’t keep your transactions private) 11:14 < BladeMcCool> hey just wondering about listpeers output, i was doing the tutorial making both alice and charlie open connections to bob. now when i ask bob to listpeers both the peers show "inbound":false. if i ask alice to listpeers it shows her one connection that she established to bob, but it is listed as "inbound":true when it was her that connected to bob. whats up with this? 11:14 < BladeMcCool> simnet if it matters 11:24 <@roasbeef> it's reversed lol 11:24 <@roasbeef> just hastn' been fixed yet 11:24 <@roasbeef> low prio 11:29 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 11:34 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pejfagogffwwywog] has joined #lnd 11:37 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] wilmerpaulino opened pull request #596: lnrpc: avoid listinvoices endpoint collision with lookupinvoice (master...listinvoices-endpoint) https://git.io/vNZIg 11:40 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bf6f0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lnd 11:54 -!- EmperorSeptim [uid265175@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pilbycdimqewlkxy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:55 -!- aderium [4a7593aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.117.147.170] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNZqG 12:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 87dee4b Johan T. Halseth: lntest: add AddToLog method for node... 12:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 4a1a9d6 Johan T. Halseth: lnd_test: add name of testcase to node's logfile... 12:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master a3f2bde Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #577 from halseth/test-log-testcase-start... 12:19 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.48] has joined #lnd 12:26 -!- JackH [~laptop@2a02:a210:2e00:300:655a:7cbf:d627:81fb] has joined #lnd 12:26 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 12:29 < BladeMcCool> roasbeef: cool ty for info. 12:29 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:33 < mlz> BladeMcCool, use testnet 12:34 < mlz> Rozal, have you got LND installed yet? 12:56 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikrjyvakvdkeunlq] has left #lnd [] 12:56 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikrjyvakvdkeunlq] has joined #lnd 12:58 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 13:19 < BladeMcCool> any way to run lnd with info logging and not see a ton of logging related to channel activity that are not my own channels? 13:25 < zyp> what's the expected behavior when the counterparty force closes a channel? I don't see the funds from the channels listed anywhere 13:40 < Veggen> not in lncli walletbalance ? 14:05 < qxt> Of all languages why go? 14:07 < qxt> Nobody actually used go I thought... except maybe some Google types? 14:13 -!- qxt is now known as onryo 14:15 < contrapumpkin> not at all 14:15 < contrapumpkin> for better or worse, it's all over the place now 14:16 < contrapumpkin> I'm not a fan, but it's getting used in more and more new projects 14:16 < contrapumpkin> so you gotta live with it :) 14:19 <@roasbeef> zyp: you sweep your output immedately 14:19 -!- kmordic [~kmordic@76.14.28.158] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23 < lxer> contrapumpkin: I'd like to see data on that ;) 14:23 < contrapumpkin> on what? 14:23 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pejfagogffwwywog] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:23 < lxer> on 'it's getting used in more and more' 14:24 < lxer> new projects' 14:26 < contrapumpkin> you can sort of see it growing over time on here (there's a thingy for moving through time): http://githut.info/ 14:26 < contrapumpkin> anyway, maybe it's just the stuff I deal with, but I feel like every other newish project I encounter nowadys is written in go (which as I said, doesn't make me super happy, but oh well) 14:29 -!- EvanR [~evan@unaffiliated/evanr] has joined #lnd 14:29 < EvanR> hi, i am testing lightning-app and i keep getting these messages in the setup window: 14:29 < EvanR> lnd: 2018-01-12 16:25:30.994 [ERR] SRVR: unable to connect to 031ac2beb5aa62e9e4f94c21c7b654fb382a0a98ff2ce2d1e780db6ab19bc65a7e@127.0.0.1:9735: EOF 14:30 < EvanR> hrm interesting ip address 14:30 < EvanR> end result i get 0 active connections after the initial bootstrap process 14:31 -!- mutante [foobar@wikimedia/mutante] has left #lnd [] 14:36 < EvanR> it actually tries to connect to what looks like real addresses too, but same thing EOF 14:43 < onryo> sry contrapumpkin was walking my dog. Maybe Ill get use to it but I can think of a zillion reasons I would not use go. 14:43 < contrapumpkin> preaching to the choir :) but it's not my project 14:43 < grubles> why was contrapumpkin walking your dog? 14:43 < onryo> lack of compile-time generics, language extensibility, Hindley–Milner typing inhibiting safety and expressiveness. 14:44 < onryo> lets see.. Standard library cannot offer generic algorithms 14:44 < onryo> ... oh right pauses and overhead of garbage collection. But most of all Google is starting to be seen as "evil" and Go is their baby. 14:44 < onryo> wow ... my bad. that was not nice of me 14:45 < EvanR> https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/issues/103 14:47 < onryo> To be honest I can forgive all of the above but not the last thing. Google is a "in your face" company that feels they have the moral high ground on everything. 14:48 < BladeMcCool> i was able to pay my starblocks invoice thru my channel to the 'endurance' node. sweet and ty. 14:50 < onryo> BladeMcCool, cool 14:51 < contrapumpkin> onryo: I don't think anyone asked for your list of grievances :) 14:51 < contrapumpkin> onryo: grubles was fooling around with a deliberate mis-parsing of your message :P 14:51 < onryo> contrapumpkin, was sorting out my own thoughts out loud. 14:51 < contrapumpkin> grubles: but anyway, I love dogs, so I'll happily walk onryo's dog 14:51 < onryo> heh he poops a lot 14:52 < onryo> and walks around the tree about ... 400 times first 14:52 < grubles> lollll 14:52 < grubles> sorry i'll go back under my rock now 15:01 < onryo> wow people hooking up on mainnet https://twitter.com/juscamarena/status/951947170009116674 15:02 < lndbot> don't recommend lol 15:11 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:13 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has joined #lnd 15:13 <@roasbeef> hmm 15:13 <@roasbeef> travis is flagging some of your builds as "abusive", cc waxwing 15:13 <@roasbeef> guess we gotta conact em to get it resolved :/ 15:16 < aakselrod> i contacted 'em for myself already :/ quite annoying. 15:18 < onryo> roasbeef, can a build even be "abusive. Is that a Google thing =D 15:20 < onryo> or like running resource-intensive code that is unrelated to the purpose of a service 15:20 < rfree_irc> maybe use #include 15:21 < rfree_irc> do your UTs run tons of external IP connections perhaps? 15:22 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:58bb:3a76:3ce2:e5dd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25 < BladeMcCool> is it possible to set my own alias for my node that will show up on explorer.acinq.co? if so how to do it? 15:28 < BladeMcCool> i see discussion on issue 273, and so i guess we wait to merge pull request 467? 15:29 -!- Erik_ [b00a89b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.10.137.179] has joined #lnd 15:31 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 15:38 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #506: Dynamic and user definable channel params (master...dynamic-channel-params) https://git.io/vbyJ8 15:44 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:48 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:51 < akihabara> can anyone help me with the lnd?? i want to setup a wallet in my ubuntu vm and participate 15:54 -!- sato_vision [~sato_visi@172.86.120.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54 < Veggen> akihara: better to ask specific questions? 15:54 -!- marsadm [~marsadm@172.86.120.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55 -!- sato_vision [~sato_visi@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 15:55 < akihabara> Veggen : ok. lets start. where is the lnd installation manual? 15:56 < Veggen> http://dev.lightning.community/guides/installation/ 16:01 < onryo> So what is the story with setalias. It was there then it was gone now it is... ? 16:01 < onryo> ben removed it IIRC 16:01 < akihabara> Veggen ; thanks. im starting it now 16:03 < onryo> Something/issue about broadcasting on every startup... 16:03 < Veggen> Ok. Getting tired, going to bed. Surely someone here will help if there's a specific point you don't understand. 16:06 < akihabara> Thanks Veggen 16:07 < akihabara> What is this : At this point, you should set your $GOPATH environment variable, which represents the path to your workspace. By default, $GOPATH is set to ~/go. You will also need to add $GOPATH/bin to your PATH. This ensures that your shell will be able to detect the binaries you install. 16:07 < onryo> akihabara, just export the path 16:08 < onryo> akihabara, are you using GNU/Linux ? I am sure there is a way to do this in Windows too. 16:08 < akihabara> im using ubuntu server 16.04 16:08 < akihabara> cli 16:09 < BladeMcCool> akihabara: i put the env vars in my .bashrc that gets loaded by the terminal every time 16:09 < onryo> then just copy paste away =) 16:09 < onryo> yeah doing that might be a good idea. 16:09 < BladeMcCool> as well as the aliases that the lnd tutorial gets you to set up. the tutorial is pretty good i thought. http://dev.lightning.community/tutorial/index.html 16:09 < akihabara> onryo, when i was 10 years old i asked my dad to install linux on my computer and he said no its dangerous. now i am a grown up and i dont understand linux. i need to spend as much time as i can in linux 16:11 < onryo> akihabara, your dad was mean. I have a 3.5 year old little girl. She is using Edubuntu. When she shoes interest (hope soon) Ill teach her python =) 16:11 < onryo> shows^ 16:12 < akihabara> he wasnt mean but he wasnt a computer person i suppose. anything i learnt, i learn it by myself. he was teaching me things that i never liked...like siemens PLC 16:13 < akihabara> but i really want to participate in communities, effectively and help the developers 16:13 < onryo> akihabara, GNU/Linux is honestly no harder to use then Windows. Just that there is more surface area to GNU/Linux and no day you can say "I can computer now Neo" 16:14 < onryo> akihabara, My mother uses Ubuntu. She does not even know what Linux is. 16:16 < akihabara> onryo, i understand this. but i know windows in depth. that means, that i can solve almost any problems on windows, and if i cant do it personaly, i can guess what the problem is and look online for the solution. here in linux, its all messed up in my head 16:16 < akihabara> for example here the tutorial says to export the PATH...i have literaly no idea what it is 16:17 < akihabara> i can follow the instructions, but i dont understand it 16:17 < onryo> it is where you have your programs. type echo $PATH 16:18 < onryo> thing is that your go stuff is someplace new. Just copy paste what it says there 16:19 < akihabara> ok so basicaly, im creating a new folder 16:20 < onryo> akihabara, think of like this. You make a new folder then drop in a program. Your computer needs to know that you put a program in there. 16:21 < akihabara> ok i get it. its like binding a variable $PATH to the path username/gocode.... 16:22 < onryo> The default places for programs are /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin and maybe for for games at /usr/games 16:22 < onryo> but yeah go made a new folder in some weird place and you need to let your computer know about it 16:23 < akihabara> i see 16:23 < akihabara> what is this : go install . ./cmd/... 16:23 < onryo> ...lol'd a little. I use to be that asshole that said "RTFM" then I had a kid =) 16:24 < akihabara> haha 16:24 < akihabara> i need to spend a lot of time, which im trying to do 16:24 < akihabara> honestly 16:24 < akihabara> this command above though, is not working for me 16:25 < onryo> it should be. what does it say in your term? 16:27 < akihabara> cannot find package "context" 16:29 < akihabara> ah it worked!! 16:30 < akihabara> i typed git pull && glide install 16:30 < akihabara> said its up to date 16:30 < akihabara> then typed the same cmd again and i think it worked.. 16:32 < onryo> the magic of copy paste =) 16:34 < akihabara> nah it didnt work 16:34 < akihabara> im reading at github now, there is a bug 16:35 < akihabara> There's a bug in getRepoRootFromPackage() (and the name is java-ish isn't 16:35 < akihabara> it... glad it's an internal function). 16:36 < akihabara> https://github.com/Masterminds/glide/issues/56 16:39 < BladeMcCool> I have hardcoded an alias in server.go and it shows up in explorer.acinq.co now. Good enough 16:40 -!- BladeMcCool [~BladeMcCo@node-1w7jr9ss1inba5kpvewbys0dr.ipv6.telus.net] has left #lnd ["Leaving"] 16:41 -!- smithlee [~trumpkinz@38.95.110.24] has joined #lnd 16:44 < smithlee> roasbeef, you from Nigeria? Just watched your presentation on lnd. Sound American but that name tho! 16:46 -!- blademccool [~BladeMcCo@node-1w7jr9ss1inb968eucy9yen8e.ipv6.telus.net] has joined #lnd 16:47 < smithlee> but you got Chinese looking eyes and shit. Your mom from Asia? 16:47 -!- smithlee [~trumpkinz@38.95.110.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:48 <@roasbeef> smithlee: yep, ekiti state 16:48 <@roasbeef> nah str8 yoruba 16:49 < onryo> wtf was he talking about? 16:53 < akihabara> i found the problem onryo 16:54 < akihabara> lnd required golang above 1.8 16:54 < akihabara> my system for some reason installs 1.6 16:54 < akihabara> i installed 1.9 but it doesnt recognise it. keeps saying golang is not installed 16:55 < onryo> akihabara, I am using Debian 9. Are you using a old version of Ubuntu? 16:55 < onryo> akihabara, to be honest go is not really my thing. 16:55 < lndbot> How did you install? 16:56 < onryo> Had to google it roasbeef. Cool you really are from Nigeria =) 16:57 < akihabara> no im using 16.04 of ubuntu server 16:57 < lndbot> echo $GOROOT to see what that is pointing to 16:58 < lndbot> then see that path is manipulated: export PATH=$GOPATH/bin:$GOROOT/bin:$PATH 16:59 < lndbot> ^^ I'm on Debian Stretch and installed 1.9.2 and it lives in /usr/local/lib 16:59 < onryo> akihabara, what does apt-cache search golang |grep 1.8 show you? 17:00 < mlz> akihabara, here's how i install Go: https://paste.ee/p/b0n35#8ckJAm8fNcJEydZhyQBrIKLdblLMsSOE 17:00 < akihabara> nothing at all 17:01 < onryo> hmm you have a never version of go I guess. 17:01 < akihabara> i just uninstalled 1.6 and 1.9 17:01 < mlz> get the latest Go which is 1.9.2 17:01 < onryo> yeah use that one 17:02 < akihabara> mlz i installed 1.9.2 but the system keeps saying its not installed 17:02 < mlz> if you follow the link i posted, you can't go wrong 17:04 < onryo> heh roasbeef now I know why you like go. Says you were a intern at Google! 17:04 < onryo> akihabara, you get it working? 17:04 < akihabara> nop 17:04 < akihabara> let me follow mlz's link 17:05 < onryo> yeah that should work. I am using GNU/Debian 9 and just happens the go version her was right. 17:05 < onryo> but not my spelling *here* 17:07 < akihabara> ok the issue is on the version. 1.6 works fine with my ubuntu, but doesnt work with lnd, and 1.9 works fine with lnd but is not recognised by ubuntu 17:07 < akihabara> does it make sense? 17:08 < lndbot> if you installed 1.9, and your system cannot find it, then the GOROOT needs to be set to the location where it is installed. 17:09 < lndbot> it might be in /usr/lib/goxxx or /usr/local/lib/goxxx 17:09 -github-onion:#lnd- [lightning-onion] cfromknecht opened pull request #16: WIP: Strong Replay Protection and Batched Processing (master...sphinx-replay) https://git.io/vNZo1 17:09 < akihabara> lndbot is quite right lol ;0 17:09 < akihabara> :0 17:25 < mlz> akihabara, i installed go on ubuntu, Go 1.9.2 works great 17:25 < mlz> and i prefer not to use "sudo apt-get install go" or whatever that is 17:27 < akihabara> why is it mlz? 17:28 < mlz> i prefer to install the version i want into the directory that i want 17:31 < akihabara> ok 17:31 < blademccool> akihabara i installed synaptic package manager. then i found golang 1.9 package to install from there and then made sure the /usr/lib/go-1.9/bin was in the path in my bashrc 17:31 < blademccool> aki: along with the other gopath and goroot stuff in there too. 17:39 < akihabara> im still trying to install it guys :) 17:40 < akihabara> im reading mlz's guide but i try to do it my way. im experimenting a little bit with the GOPATH, PATH GOROOT etc 17:41 < mlz> yup, my intention is making the guide simple, but if you're sophisticated enough you can change it 17:42 < akihabara> the tar file has been downloaded into the /usr/local folder. when i installed it, i got a folder go into the /usr/local 17:43 < akihabara> now i want to follow lnd's instrunctions and they create a folder gocode into the home/user/ folder 17:43 < akihabara> so i moved the folder go into the /gocode folder in /home/user 17:43 < akihabara> now with the export, what do i need to do? 17:44 < akihabara> can you help me a little bit? i tried a few things but i still missing something 17:44 < lndbot> did you source your variables? .basrc or .profile? 17:44 < lndbot> Command sent from Slack by bluewall: 17:44 < lndbot> . ~/.bashrc 17:44 < lndbot> etc, 17:44 < akihabara> i source as well :) 17:45 < lndbot> go version 17:47 < lndbot> < that command should give a version number of your go 17:47 < mlz> i don't think you need to move the folder go into /gocode 17:47 < akihabara> oh sorry 17:47 < akihabara> you are right 17:47 < akihabara> previously it was in the folder /usr/lib 17:48 < mlz> i think you probably should have /usr/local/go/bin ? 17:48 < akihabara> ok im moving it back 17:48 < akihabara> to where it was 17:53 < akihabara> cant get it working 17:54 < mlz> did you export your gopath and path to your .profile or .bashrc? 17:56 < akihabara> i followed your instrunctions at the end 17:56 < akihabara> i sourse 17:56 < akihabara> source 17:56 < akihabara> logged out 17:56 < akihabara> log back in 17:56 < akihabara> the go is not installed 17:57 < akihabara> go get -u github.com/Masterminds/glide 17:57 < mlz> what's on your .profile? 17:57 < akihabara> this is what i wanted to run 17:57 < akihabara> export GOROOT=$HOME/go 17:57 < akihabara> export PATH=$PATH:$GOROOT/bin 17:57 < akihabara> export GOPATH=$HOME/work 17:57 < akihabara> export PATH=$PATH:$GOPATH/bin 17:57 < akihabara> this is in the end of my profile 17:57 < mlz> well those are mine, yours is different 17:57 < akihabara> .profile 17:57 < akihabara> aah ok 17:58 < lndbot> go actually installed in go-1.9, but I made a link go-1.9<---go 17:58 < akihabara> one sec 17:58 < lndbot> so, yours might need to be go-1.9 17:59 < akihabara> export GOROOT=/usr/local/go 17:59 < akihabara> export PATH=$PATH:$GOROOT/bin 17:59 < akihabara> export GOPATH=$HOME/work 17:59 < akihabara> export PATH=$PATH:$GOPATH/bin 17:59 < akihabara> right? 18:00 < mlz> akihabara, type: echo $GOROOT , and tell us what it says 18:00 < akihabara> says /home/user/go 18:00 < mlz> type: echo $GOPATH 18:01 < akihabara> ok i source the .profile again and now it says usr/local/og 18:01 < akihabara> go 18:01 < akihabara> wow...its working now :P 18:01 < lndbot> \o/ 18:02 < mlz> akihabara, "work" is the name i gave to my "go projects" directory, you said you named it "gocode", correct? 18:03 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bf6f0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:04 < akihabara> mlz yes i got it. well the lnd tutorial named it like this so its the same 18:04 < akihabara> i understand what these cmds do 18:04 < mlz> yea so yours should be: export GOPATH=$HOME/gocode 18:06 -!- jsfour [4c5a8c1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.90.140.31] has joined #lnd 18:06 < jsfour> Hi 18:07 < mlz> akihabara, or is it: export GOPATH=/home/user/gocode 18:07 < akihabara> well i left it as work :) 18:07 < mlz> lol :D 18:07 < jsfour> haha 18:08 < lndbot> it will want to install your work/packages in $GOPATH/{bin,lib} 18:11 < jsfour> is this a place where I can ask a somewhat general question about LN? 18:12 < lndbot> sure 18:12 < akihabara> mlz all working now. i tested and i see RUN & PASS 18:12 < akihabara> lets see whats the next step ;p 18:13 < mlz> cool :thumbsup: 18:13 < mlz> akihabara, you plan to install btcd and lnd? 18:14 < jsfour> From what I understand channels are send/receive capped based on the value of the channel. So say I open up a channel with bob for 1 btc and bob is the only channel I have open. That would mean that Allice, who has a channel with bob, could send me a maximum of 1 btc right? 18:15 < jsfour> So technically I could never receive more then I put onto the network? 18:16 < akihabara> yes 18:16 < akihabara> im installing btcd now. i suppose btcd is btc daemon? 18:19 < mlz> yea 18:22 < akihabara> doing well :) 18:23 < akihabara> ok downloading the blocks 18:26 < akihabara> i think im gonna call it a day now...as it almost 5 oclock in the morning here. i will leave it online to download the blocks and i will continue tomorrow when i wake up 18:26 < akihabara> thank you very much for you help 18:27 < mlz> cool, np :D 18:28 < akihabara> mlz are you here most of the time? 18:28 < mlz> yea I live here :P 18:28 < akihabara> good 18:28 < akihabara> :D 18:28 < akihabara> ive been using mirc since early 2000s 18:29 < mlz> a lot people are here now so if i'm not here and you need help, you'll find help :D 18:29 < akihabara> i still remember sharing nokia ngage games with other people on efnet 18:29 < mlz> oh man.. i haven't touched mirc for yrs 18:29 < mlz> use hexchat 18:29 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30 < akihabara> ill have a look tomorrow 18:30 < akihabara> thanks 18:30 < mlz> np :D 18:30 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 18:33 -!- tweaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has joined #lnd 18:49 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 18:50 -!- marsadm [~marsadm@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 19:01 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 19:02 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 19:02 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:05 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lnd 19:16 -!- jsfour [4c5a8c1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.90.140.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:20 -!- kmordic [~kmordic@76.14.28.158] has joined #lnd 19:20 -!- kmordic [~kmordic@76.14.28.158] has quit [Client Quit] 19:21 -!- kmordic [~kmordic@76.14.28.158] has joined #lnd 19:23 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32 -!- Erik_ [b00a89b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.10.137.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22 -!- booyah_ [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 20:24 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 21:00 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wzhrmgkzpqvvejyb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:02 -!- kmordic [~kmordic@76.14.28.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 21:37 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] aakselrod opened pull request #600: docker, docs, sample-lnd.conf: update examples for new command-line options (master...bitcoind-docs) https://git.io/vNZSC 21:42 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:43 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 21:49 -!- EmperorSeptim [uid265175@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qieyfmaxyrftzuiq] has joined #lnd 21:52 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10 < lndbot> neutrino optimizations soon come 22:15 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 22:18 <@roasbeef> ^ fakebeef 22:46 < rabidus> i like my beef original 23:22 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]