--- Day changed Mon Jan 15 2018 00:01 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 00:02 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 00:03 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 00:07 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 00:14 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 00:22 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggqvxoowbmvqoapx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:26 -!- maret [~maret@ip-88-212-28-50.antik.sk] has joined #lnd 00:27 -!- maret [~maret@ip-88-212-28-50.antik.sk] has quit [Client Quit] 00:39 -!- daraki [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lnd 00:42 -!- me1 [4fadc5f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.173.197.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:44 -!- daraki is now known as daouzo23 00:44 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lnd 00:52 -!- pizzaguy [5d3e0085@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.62.0.133] has joined #lnd 00:52 < pizzaguy> hey 00:52 < pizzaguy> How many mainnet nodes are up and running? 00:53 < zyp> well, I heard bitrefill paid torguard through a third party the other day, so presumably at least three 00:54 < pizzaguy> How many on testnet? 00:54 < zyp> 744 according to acinq's explorer 00:54 < zyp> ref. https://explorer.acinq.co/ 00:55 -!- mesh_ [meshcollid@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vdowozhkaysgerza] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:55 < lndbot> Mainnet 11/12 00:56 < pizzaguy> Thanks. So once the development of lnd has reached a stable stage the testnet nodes will switch to mainnet? 00:56 < lndbot> No 00:56 -!- kbgg_ [Elite20763@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xtdgsufclldqjqol] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:57 < zyp> pizzaguy, you're missing the part where there's no central authority running these nodes 00:57 < lndbot> I’d leave that for the devs to decide. Anyone 9’ mainnet is risking money. Not really any big amounts but still! 00:57 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-elgnlkvraookdoxs] has joined #lnd 00:57 < zyp> you can set up one right now if you want, and it's up to you whether to run it on testnet or mainnet 00:58 < pizzaguy> Thanks, my question was more about community than actual tech 00:59 < zyp> mainnet nodes will appear as more and more people get comfortable putting real money into it 00:59 < pizzaguy> Just trying to understand how you guys think the """rollout""" will happen 00:59 < lndbot> Preferably run testnet. Better to find issues there than lose real monies. But yeah no one can stop you I guess. 00:59 < zyp> pizzaguy, ask yourself this; when will you be comfortable putting real money in a LN node? 01:00 < pizzaguy> How many bitcoins are required to run a LN node? 01:00 < zyp> just enough to pay the channel opening/closing fees plus whatever channel capacity you want 01:15 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 01:16 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 01:16 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 01:23 < pizzaguy> if a node pays for the opening/closing fees how does it get its money back? 01:24 < pizzaguy> Lets say that somebody wants to fund a node with a couple grands. He doesn't want to make money out of it, just community service. 01:24 < pizzaguy> If he fronts the channel fees, will he eventually run out of funds? 01:26 < anome> pizzaguy please rephrase 01:26 < zyp> I'm not sure you're imagining a realistic scenario 01:26 < pizzaguy> I'm trying to understand how lighting works 01:27 < zyp> okay, how well do you know how bitcoin works? 01:27 < pizzaguy> In depth 01:27 < zyp> okay 01:27 < pizzaguy> I know how transactions and blocks work 01:27 < pizzaguy> txin txouts scripts etc etc 01:28 < zyp> a channel on LN is backed by a two out of two multisig bitcoin transaction 01:28 < zyp> i.e. to open a channel, a fee has to be paid to get that transaction mined 01:28 < pizzaguy> Ok 01:29 < pizzaguy> The node pays that fee, right? 01:29 < pizzaguy> The node opening the channel 01:29 < zyp> yes 01:29 < pizzaguy> So running a node has a cost 01:30 < zyp> opening channels has a cost 01:30 < pizzaguy> But what I don't understand is 01:31 < anome> pizzaguy only the opening and closing of a channel are broadcasted onto the blockchain. channels can (theoretically) be kept open indefinetely, so it's like paying an installation cost. 01:31 -!- artlav [~artlav@91.206.14.91] has joined #lnd 01:31 < zyp> once a channel is opened, the current state of the channel exists as an unpublished transaction spending the funding transaction, paying out the appropriate amounts to each of the parties in the channel 01:32 < pizzaguy> This current state is off-chain? 01:32 < zyp> every time you transact over a channel, a new transaction is created and signed and the previous one is invalidated 01:32 < zyp> it's off chain as long as it remains unpublished 01:33 < zyp> if one of the nodes wants their funds out, they can publish the final state of the channel, which closes the channel 01:33 < zyp> and that also consumes a fee 01:34 < zyp> anything that happens between the opening and the closing transaction is off chain and thus doesn't pay any mining fees 01:34 < anome> pizzaguy think of it as keeping a bar tab. you have multiple transactions, but you only use your card once (when closing the tab) 01:34 < anome> but you theoretically never have to close your tab 01:35 < zyp> onchain fees should also be offset by the fees you collect on transactions routed through your node 01:35 < anome> (unless someone tries to steal your money, in that case you have to close it, but the person stealing your money will lose his money so there is a strong incentive against this) 01:35 < pizzaguy> Ok, so lighting user balances are not kept onchain? 01:36 < anome> exactly 01:36 < zyp> correct, only channel capacities 01:36 < pizzaguy> I mean instead of looking at transactions on the blockchain, we look at user transactions between channels 01:36 < anome> i sign my part of the multisig and hand it over to you 01:38 < pizzaguy> How does my hypothetical lighting wallet keep track of my balance? 01:40 < anome> it keeps a database of channel updates (signed transactions, ready to be broadcast if you want to) from your counter parties 01:41 < anome> as well as the channel updates you yourself has made 01:44 < pizzaguy> How do nodes know which other nodes store channel transactions for a particular address? 01:44 < pizzaguy> Or every node stores every transaction on every channel? 01:44 < pizzaguy> of every channel* 01:44 < zyp> why do they need to know? 01:45 < zyp> a channel only have two parties, only the two parties needs to care about a particular channel state 01:45 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46 < pizzaguy> Let's say that i am the owner of wallet 123xyz and i want to check my lighting network balance on a new computer 01:46 -!- Raben88 [cbdd123b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.221.18.59] has joined #lnd 01:47 < pizzaguy> Maybe I have a transaction between in the channel between nodes A and B and one in the channel between nodes F and G 01:48 < pizzaguy> Maybe I have a transaction in the channel between nodes A and B and one in the channel between nodes F and G* 01:48 < zyp> no, that's not how it works 01:49 < zyp> you seem to be thinking of wallets and nodes as distinct things 01:49 < zyp> they are not 01:49 < pizzaguy> Oh sorry 01:49 < pizzaguy> I think you're right 01:49 < pizzaguy> Nodes and wallets are the same thing 01:50 < zyp> yes 01:50 < zyp> and as a node, you will have a couple of channels with other nodes 01:50 < anome> pizzaguy on the blockchain you can look up the balance of any particular address. this is not possible in lightning. 01:51 < zyp> for each of these channels, you will have the latest transaction which says how much of the channel capacity belongs to you and how much belongs to the other party 01:51 -!- Raben88 [cbdd123b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.221.18.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:51 < anome> you only know the balance of your channels 01:52 < zyp> but the capacity of individual channels is not very interesting either, it'll shift as transactions get routed through your node 01:52 < zyp> so the only thing that really matters to you is the total funds you have available across all your channels 01:52 < pizzaguy> Ohhh 01:53 < pizzaguy> I'm getting it 01:53 < zyp> when you send a payment to somebody over LN, it'll go out through the channel that gives the best route to the recipient 01:53 < pizzaguy> My node also stores other people's transactions 01:53 < pizzaguy> routing their transaction to the final node 01:53 < pizzaguy> correct or not correct? 01:54 < anome> pizzaguy correct 01:54 < zyp> correct 01:54 < pizzaguy> Thanks! 01:54 < pizzaguy> thus that's why it's a network 01:54 < pizzaguy> :) 01:54 < anome> yes :) 01:59 -!- Babozor [~babozor@cob77-1-88-179-88-114.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 01:59 < pizzaguy> To be part of this network as an everyday user you have to pay the channel opening fees? 02:00 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 02:01 < zyp> well, if you want to have channels open to you, either you or your counterparty has to pay for it 02:02 < zyp> which in practice means that if these channels are to your benefit, you'll probably end up paying either directly or indirectly for it 02:02 < EvanR> if youre not in a hurry, reduce the fee hehe 02:03 < EvanR> pay the poor tax in time 02:03 < zyp> imagine a situation where you buy bitcoin on an exchange and withdraw them over LN 02:04 -!- kbgg [Elite20763@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cqjxnwkfghgwoxcu] has joined #lnd 02:04 -!- meshcoll- [meshcollid@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-byequoycyezmedgp] has joined #lnd 02:04 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 02:04 < pizzaguy> Can't I reuse a channel that I've already opened for all of my transactions? 02:04 < zyp> if this is the first time using LN, you won't have any channels open yet, so the exchange will likely open a channel to you, with an initial state placing all funds on your side 02:05 < zyp> this essentially has the same cost as a traditional on-chain transaction, so the fee for an exchange to do this should be comparable to what a single withdrawal costs today 02:05 -!- pizzaguy_ [5d3e0085@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.62.0.133] has joined #lnd 02:05 < pizzaguy_> a 02:06 < zyp> the result of this is that you have a channel open with funds on your side, and you can now use this channel to route transactions out through the exchange's LN node 02:06 < pizzaguy_> >Can't I reuse a channel that I've already opened for all of my transactions? 02:06 < EvanR> it seems like the initial state of these channels doesnt faciliate routing very well, because they can only go one direction 02:06 < EvanR> all the money is on one side or the other 02:06 < zyp> EvanR, that'll shift as soon as you start routing transactions 02:06 < EvanR> how? 02:07 < EvanR> i open 2 channels, all the balance of both is on my side 02:07 < zyp> then you can't route :) 02:07 < EvanR> so to be a working router i have to start by sending a bunch to the other side? 02:07 < EvanR> seems risky 02:07 < zyp> or having other nodes open channels to you 02:08 < EvanR> ah 02:08 < EvanR> but without sending me any money at first 02:08 < EvanR> then i can route 1 direction 02:08 < EvanR> does auto pilot do all this? 02:08 < zyp> well, think of this in a larger perspective 02:09 -!- pizzaguy [5d3e0085@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.62.0.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09 < zyp> for any transaction you have a sender and a receiver, they don't care how the transaction gets routed, as long as it gets there 02:10 < zyp> now, imagine you want to pay for something 02:13 < EvanR> then you start by opening a channel, slow painful expensive 02:13 < EvanR> same if you just began and are getting funds from an exchange 02:14 -!- LordCow [~lordcow@lordcow.org] has joined #lnd 02:15 < EvanR> either way, after that you can pay for stuff, but not recieve more 02:15 < EvanR> so typically you have some ramp up time to get well connected with ability to go both directions 02:16 -!- pizzaguy_ [5d3e0085@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.62.0.133] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:16 -!- pizzaguy [5d3e0085@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.62.0.133] has joined #lnd 02:17 < pizzaguy> so basically 02:17 < pizzaguy> i better have 2 channels 02:17 < pizzaguy> one that was opened to me 02:17 < pizzaguy> and one that i opened towards somebody else 02:17 < EvanR> or 1 channel that is 1/2 full 02:17 < EvanR> which wouldnt make much sense off the bat 02:18 < EvanR> unless... you were funded by an exchange where you bought 1 BTC, but they openned it with 2 BTC and gave you 1/2 02:18 < EvanR> a huge network of see-saws 02:20 < EvanR> im interested to see software do all this without driving "your grandmother and joe blo" nuts 02:21 < pizzaguy> what are possible attacks on lighting network? 02:21 < pizzaguy> What happens if a node pretends to forward incoming packets but it actually doesnt? 02:24 < Veggen> pizzaguy: then that transaction fails. 02:24 < Veggen> route won't be used. 02:24 < EvanR> maybe thats whats been happening to me 02:24 < EvanR> pay button doesnt error, doesnt do anything 02:25 -!- meshcoll- is now known as mesh_ 02:32 < pizzaguy> if transaction fails 02:32 < pizzaguy> how does the node that sent it know that it failed? or that it succeded? 02:33 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth closed pull request #605: rpc: remove SetAlias from the rpc docs (master...master) https://git.io/vNngT 02:33 < EvanR> theres a whole onion routing thing involving acknowledgements 02:34 < pizzaguy> that's cool 02:34 < EvanR> all in all seems very complex 02:35 < EvanR> i hope the wheels dont come off like ethereum 02:35 < pizzaguy> do you think lnd is not yet ready to be adopted in production? 02:36 < EvanR> day 1 i had some issues but eventually i could send money back and forth from here to HTLC.me and yalls.org 02:36 < EvanR> day 2 i could barely get it to work at all 02:36 < pizzaguy> mainnet or testnet? 02:36 < EvanR> testnet 02:36 < pizzaguy> damn 02:37 < pizzaguy> so even on testnet it's not ready 02:37 < EvanR> you can try it yourself with lightninglabs/lightning-app 02:38 < pizzaguy> gui wallet? 02:38 < EvanR> yes, comes packaged with lnd, and btcd 02:38 < EvanR> and neutrino 02:38 < EvanR> not sure how all these interconnect 02:39 < pizzaguy> seems like it's built on electron 02:39 < EvanR> for the UI yes 02:39 < pizzaguy> seems cool 02:40 < pizzaguy> I would be curious to know if it can be adapted to work on mainnet 02:41 < EvanR> people are doing that 02:41 < EvanR> wacky wacky people 02:42 < EvanR> lightningcommunity slack random channel has them showing off 02:42 < EvanR> also twitter 02:47 < bitconto_> guys, are you aware of any text explaining the difference between pay-to-public-key-hash (p2pkh), pay-to-witness-key-hash (p2wkh) and nested-pay-to-witness-key-hash (np2wkh)? 02:48 < raucao> naribia: ah ok. so the faucet i got the testnet coins from doesn't do segwit i guess 02:52 < zyp> bitconto_, different address types and consequently different scriptpubkeys 02:54 < EvanR> i just opened a channel with 0.1 BTC, but the balance is slightly less than that, and it cost me slightly more of my "on-chain" balance... 02:55 < EvanR> the transaction fees match up with whats missing from the on chain balance 02:55 < EvanR> wheres the rest of it 02:55 < zyp> reserved for closing fees, probably 02:55 < EvanR> ah 02:59 -!- JackH [~laptop@2a02:a210:2e00:300:655a:7cbf:d627:81fb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00 < EvanR> do i need connectivity to establish connections 03:00 < EvanR> er establish channels 03:01 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 03:01 < Veggen> yah. 03:02 < pizzaguy> I want mainnet to be ready so bad :( 03:03 < EvanR> well i have a channel, and a connection to .. somebody not sure if its the same person 03:03 < Veggen> We all do, but realize that a too early release is not good either. 03:03 < EvanR> but i cant send or recieve, route failure or "connectivity issue" 03:03 < pizzaguy> I hope it's gonna be ready before the end of 2018 03:03 < Veggen> psaatience, still. 03:03 < Veggen> patience. 03:03 < pizzaguy> and i hope electrum adds support for lighting 03:04 < zyp> pizzaguy, "ready" is still subjective 03:04 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 03:04 < EvanR> when connections are made, are they to the node that you specifically negotiated the channels with? 03:04 < pizzaguy> depends on how much you're willing to risk 03:04 < zyp> pizzaguy, have you tried running a node on testnet yet? 03:04 < EvanR> if you tote out LN before its ready, and it fails, people will not be pleased 03:05 < pizzaguy> not yet 03:05 < EvanR> bitcoin itself has had incredibly few failures in its life time, its insane 03:05 < pizzaguy> i've been reading about lighting network only in the past weekend 03:05 < pizzaguy> i have had a bitcoin node running since 2014 on a vps 03:06 < pizzaguy> Wanted to make the switch to lighting 03:06 < EvanR> boot up the necessary bits and pieces to run lnd on testnet 03:06 < EvanR> on the vps 03:06 < pizzaguy> lnd uses neutrino? 03:07 < pizzaguy> or it's a full bitcoin node? 03:07 < zyp> either 03:07 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 03:08 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 03:08 < EvanR> does routing failure indicate... i need more connections, or different channels or 03:13 < EvanR> turg 03:13 < EvanR> yurg* time for bed 03:16 -!- wes [5286fa71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.134.250.113] has joined #lnd 03:16 -!- wes is now known as Guest56824 03:17 -!- Guest56824 [5286fa71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.134.250.113] has quit [Client Quit] 03:19 -!- JackH [~laptop@095-097-240-018.static.chello.nl] has joined #lnd 03:27 -!- wxss [~user@103.86.98.4] has joined #lnd 03:29 -!- majortal [05391530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.57.21.48] has joined #lnd 03:31 -!- JackH [~laptop@095-097-240-018.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:34 -!- Guest2529 [~administr@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lnd 03:38 -!- Guest2529 is now known as Bioflap 03:43 < Bioflap> . 03:43 -!- Bioflap [~administr@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:44 -!- pizzaguy [5d3e0085@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.62.0.133] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:45 -!- administ1ator [~administr@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lnd 03:45 -!- administ1ator is now known as Bioflap 03:48 -!- Bioflap [~administr@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 03:48 -!- administ1ator [~administr@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lnd 03:49 -!- administ1ator is now known as Bioflap 03:55 -!- Bioflap [~administr@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:04 -!- Bioflap [~Bioflap@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lnd 04:05 -!- windsok_ [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:09 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #lnd 04:09 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Changing host] 04:09 -!- windsok [~windsok@unaffiliated/windsok] has joined #lnd 04:23 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 04:37 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has joined #lnd 04:38 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 04:40 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 04:40 < Bioflap> exit 04:40 -!- Bioflap [~Bioflap@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 04:41 -!- Bioflap [~Bioflap@541FEC1A.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lnd 04:41 < Pavle> Hi, I've noticed that one of LN projects needs a woocommerce store to test, is there a slack community or somewhere where I can get in touch and help. I own a Woocommerce store and would like to help with testing. 04:43 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 04:44 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@158.64.79.10] has joined #lnd 04:47 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 05:13 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd 05:16 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 05:26 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] guggero opened pull request #611: rpc: update README according to current rpc.proto file (master...master) https://git.io/vNCVq 05:27 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:33 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@158.64.79.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:36 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 05:41 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:ec44:dd41:ce14:bc64] has joined #lnd 05:52 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@2001:a18:0:b23::6] has joined #lnd 05:54 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 05:57 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:58 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 06:01 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 06:06 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@2001:a18:0:b23::6] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:09 -!- tenev [4d1c6244@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.28.98.68] has joined #lnd 06:12 -!- tenev [4d1c6244@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.28.98.68] has quit [Client Quit] 06:25 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@158.64.79.10] has joined #lnd 06:37 -!- EYolo [86b5ae79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.181.174.121] has joined #lnd 06:37 < EYolo> hey 06:46 < kmordic> hi 06:47 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-elgnlkvraookdoxs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:54 -!- btcltc [598baf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.139.175.4] has joined #lnd 07:11 < EYolo> I love how there is like no hype around this... 07:12 < mlz> it's too boring? 07:12 < EYolo> testnet seems to work great. Can anyone fill me in on the failure modes? 07:12 -!- tm604 [~tom@pdpc/supporter/professional/tm604] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:12 < kmordic> you love it? i hate that people arnt getting more involved. i was skeptical about the code but ran it on testnet and feels good man. 07:13 < EYolo> Well compared to the usual level of excitement that seems unhealthy, I prefer this. 07:13 < EYolo> People thought segwit would fix the tx backlog immediately 07:13 < mlz> kmordic, i have tried on a bitcoin slack, people don't want to get involved because it takes work and they don't want to work, you can only take the horses to the river but you can't them drink 07:14 < mlz> +make* 07:15 < kmordic> i agree, it will only be a matter of time. we all just need to be patient. 07:15 < mlz> so if peeps want to get involved and help with the testing, if not, we just do our part and i think we have a lot people who want to see this tech in bloom 07:15 < kmordic> ive been around since 2011 watching FUD after FUD and bitcoin is still alive. i have no concerns. 07:16 < EYolo> Joke incoming: how do you know someone's been around since 2011? 07:16 < EYolo> A: They'll tell you ;) 07:16 < mlz> yup .. fudders gonna fud, coders keep coding and that's how it is 07:16 < kmordic> how? 07:16 < EYolo> cypherpunks wriiiiight code 07:17 < EYolo> get it? 07:17 < kmordic> i dont get it... 07:17 < EYolo> ...Like Craig Wright.....lolololol 07:17 < kmordic> i dont code. ive never learned ... 07:17 < mlz> and craig is so wrooooong 07:17 < kmordic> ohhh! 07:17 < mlz> :D 07:17 < kmordic> ok got it... 07:17 < kmordic> lol 07:18 < kmordic> maybe after running this software ill start picking it up. i learned alot in the last few days on just getting this up and running. 07:21 < kmordic> mlz, i checked my walletbalance last night, and this morning checked it again. it was 3620 sat. higher. are the extra sat. collected fees? 07:22 < mlz> you mean your fund balance? 07:22 < kmordic> channelbalance my bad 07:24 < mlz> hm im not sure, the txs in your wallet can be traced, try: lncli listchaintxns and look at those txs to see if you figure out why 07:24 < mlz> oh wait 07:24 < mlz> nvm what i said 07:24 < mlz> i need coffee, brb 07:24 < akihabara> guys... 07:24 < kmordic> ten 4 07:25 < akihabara> starblocks is a big scam!!! i paid my precious bitcoins for a frappucino and i received nothing 07:25 < EYolo> ^ 07:25 < EYolo> I paid 0.000025 tera bitcoins 07:25 < EYolo> 10 hours later...nada 07:25 < kmordic> lol and some loser is charging 10sat fee in between 07:25 < akihabara> :D 07:26 < akihabara> after 1 week i finally made a payment guys!!! 07:26 < akihabara> i had to enable ssh server though so i can copy and paste the text 07:26 < kmordic> nice good job, now send me an invoice and ill send you funds. 07:26 < EYolo> Poon will change the world, he'll go down in the history books 07:26 < akihabara> lncli createinvoice? 07:27 < kmordic> yeah make me on and ill pay you 07:27 < akihabara> one sec 07:27 < akihabara> by the way this is my public key 07:27 < akihabara> 02b3c346299d5a3e454ff488cd756007f49b5a17391d43b45c93472922ef8f4321 07:27 < akihabara> if anyone wants to open a channel 07:28 < kmordic> ill pay you first then ill open a channel. i wanna watch that hops 07:30 < akihabara> how can i create an invoice 07:30 < akihabara> i tried lncli invoice 1000 name,, but its not working 07:30 < kmordic> addinvoice 07:30 < akihabara> aah ok 07:31 < fronti> unable to find peer with your pub key 07:31 < majortal> Is there a way I can get a push notification when a payment to my channel was received? 07:31 < akihabara> { 07:31 < akihabara> "r_hash": "a57854c04dbcfa08c7e7b663e1af87fe837c8c176d8ba728e90dff2c4251ec1e", 07:31 < akihabara> "pay_req": "lntb10u1pd9ejfjpp554u9fszdhnaq33l8ke37rtu8l6pherqhdk96w28fphljcsj3as0qdqqcqzysvfvvd4mz0qnpykucwfryuuk784mhaxgkfx7ymfnvu47hln2rfh5zv3004asjkh6g4atch0k62lmecq387eau3j69902xvewjyf5xwzsqq24ms9" 07:31 < akihabara> fronti is it because i didnt publish my ip as well? 07:32 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] ndeet opened pull request #612: Update install.md to same content as on lighting-dev-site (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vNC5i 07:33 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has quit [] 07:33 < kmordic> unable to route payment to destination: TemporaryChannelFailure 07:33 < akihabara> hmm 07:33 < fronti> i got: "payment_error": "unable to route payment to destination: UnknownNextPeer", 07:33 < akihabara> whats the problem? 07:34 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:34 < kmordic> i have no clue 07:34 < akihabara> lets google 07:35 < kmordic> try mine. 07:35 < kmordic> ill make invoice, im ganna paste it though my laptop. 07:36 < kmordicLT> lntb9u1pd9ejjspp506fr26qqanav75pdp69vkp4zruf5d7wcyxdc40yg9333k536z2rsdqqcqzysmlnd6yea4cms73pzkzfm50cet2q69mrxn6wprpd5ryetmh4vslc4d90pds5qs4vmlh3j4c49dja97smsgu8dk8vt80zylnqsmt43ascqv0jhzk 07:36 < akihabara> ok let me pay for it 07:38 < akihabara> i paid 07:38 < akihabara> can you check 07:38 < mlz> akihabara, is your port forwarded? if you're behind a firewall and the port isn't opened, others can't connect to you 07:39 < akihabara> let me vpn it 07:39 < kmordicLT> lncli lookupinvoice 7e92356800ecfacf502d0e8acb06a21f1346f9d8219b8abc882c631b523a1287 07:39 < kmordic> nice went throught 07:39 -!- cdnttinkofusrnam [~root@185.230.125.42] has joined #lnd 07:39 < kmordic> through* 07:39 < mlz> for testing if you guys can afford a cheap VPS instance, i think it'd be better 07:39 < akihabara> try now 07:40 < kmordicLT> mlz, i think i might have the same problem 07:40 < kmordicLT> 036de8e0829e142cbad85763aecacab19f4b7196f071a7ff85b6c93c33d239e7af 07:40 < akihabara> try like this : 07:41 < mlz> you need the IP attached to your nodekey 07:41 < akihabara> 02b3c346299d5a3e454ff488cd756007f49b5a17391d43b45c93472922ef8f4321@138.201.158.238: 07:42 < akihabara> how can i check my port? 07:42 < kmordicLT> 036de8e0829e142cbad85763aecacab19f4b7196f071a7ff85b6c93c33d239e7af@76.14.28.158:45668 07:42 < mlz> well no, make it 9735 07:42 < kmordicLT> how 07:42 < akihabara> yes how? :D 07:43 < mlz> 036de8e0829e142cbad85763aecacab19f4b7196f071a7ff85b6c93c33d239e7af@76.14.28.158:9735 07:43 < kmordic> do i have to do something with my router? 07:43 < mlz> doesn't seem like my node can connect to your node, kmordic 07:44 < kmordic> yeah its probably my firewall./router 07:44 < mlz> yea 07:44 < akihabara> mlz give me your id 07:44 < akihabara> 036de8e0829e142cbad85763aecacab19f4b7196f071a7ff85b6c93c33d239e7af@76.14.28.158:9735 ??? 07:44 < akihabara> this one? 07:44 < kmordic> thats mine 07:45 < akihabara> let me try 07:45 < akihabara> hmmm 07:46 < kmordic> not going to work. i need to enable port forwarding. 07:46 < akihabara> its easy 07:46 < kmordic> not if you dont have admin..... 07:46 < akihabara> oh 07:46 < akihabara> havent you got admin access to the modem? 07:46 < kmordic> no 07:47 < akihabara> try to pay for this 07:47 < akihabara> { │··································································· 07:47 < akihabara> "r_hash": "38ba0e6c839e754f3a53312e54cc24d315bfd80e44bab7ea350ced20543792c6", │··································································· 07:47 < akihabara> "pay_req": "lntb100u1pd9en8npp58zaqumyrne657wjnxyh9fnpy6v2mlkqwgjat0634pnkjq4phjtrqdqqcqzys7│··································································· 07:47 < akihabara> kxvlqgj04fuxqkf7kea0kfkjw30hj646dpl78epqd0p7fs5r3g3ycmjvlus8n70xq46zv08m0ejvylgldv8wmznr32w49xqvl5wl│··································································· 07:47 < akihabara> jqpd9vyc0" │··································································· 07:47 < akihabara> } 07:48 < kmordic> just post the pay_req line not the hash or anything else 07:48 < mlz> kmordic, there's a guide to forward ports here: https://portforward.com/router.htm 07:49 < akihabara> sorry 07:49 < akihabara> lntb100u1pd9en8npp58zaqumyrne657wjnxyh9fnpy6v2mlkqwgjat0634pnkjq4phjtrqdqqcqzys7kxvlqgj04fuxqkf7kea0kfkjw30hj646dpl78epqd0p7fs5r3g3ycmjvlus8n70xq46zv08m0ejvylgldv8wmznr32w49xqvl5wljqpd9vyc0 07:49 < mlz> akihabara, i'm closing out channels, need to update my node, my eclair node is not opened to public 07:50 -!- btcltc_ [598baf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.139.175.4] has joined #lnd 07:50 < btcltc_> Sorry for the noob question but ln is already working on mainnet, why wallets aren't implenting ln already ? 07:50 < btcltc_> Why there isn't hype around it ? tried it on testnet and it's amazing 07:50 < kmordic> still getting an error sending you an invoice. 07:50 -!- btcltc [598baf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.139.175.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:50 < akihabara> let me reboot everything 07:51 < kmordic> mlz, i need admin to change those settings. i dont have admin. 07:51 < mlz> yea it's too difficult for me too, so i don't bother 07:51 -!- tm604 [~tom@pdpc/supporter/professional/tm604] has joined #lnd 07:55 < kmordic> btcltc_: i think people are waiting for problems before running it on mainnet. 07:55 < kmordic> btcltc_: they dont want to throw money into it in case theres a bug and there money gets stolen or lost. 07:56 < kmordic> btcltc_: atleast thats why im not yet. but im still getting familiar with the software. 07:59 < btcltc_> kmordic: legit, the fees and the transactions time are too high and long, btc got hit pretty hard from my point of view, it's not just his value but his dominance, lots of noobs going to shitty alts 08:02 < kmordic> btcltc_: not just noobs, regular users are for less tx cost. perfectly normal to see that. but when this starts rolling out people will flock back. bitcoin still holds dominance in that its evenly distributed between the network users unlike other coins that have users holding way to much. just my opinion. 08:04 -!- majortal [05391530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.57.21.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 08:06 < akihabara> i need to find a way to connect my vm to the vpn 08:07 < akihabara> hold on guys 08:11 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lnd 08:14 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.191] has joined #lnd 08:18 < akihabara> hmmm. if my vm network is set as NAT, then i get my laptop's ip which is my vpn server ip 08:19 < akihabara> but then the virtual ethernet gets a 10.xx.xx.xx ip and i cannot see the vm, unless i setup a secondary ip on my laptop 08:19 < akihabara> if my vm network is set as bridged, i get a local network ip 192.168.1.xxx but the route it follows is through my modem 08:27 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:28 < cdnttinkofusrnam> can lightning network have trustless hubs like the idea behind liquidity network so that users don't have to run their own channel connections etc? (so a user would deposit money into a hub and can now send money through the lightning network but with the ability to get their funds back if the hub turns out dodgy) 08:30 < kmordic> a trustless bank? 08:30 < cdnttinkofusrnam> yeah 08:32 < cdnttinkofusrnam> benefits of a trustless bank would be you dont need bitcoins to create a channel, so can recieve money into a wallet connected to a trustless bank 08:33 -!- aakselrod [aakselrod@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aakselrod] has joined #lnd 08:34 < kmordic> i cant think of any other solution that would stop a hub from trying to steal your money. 08:34 -!- LukesFlatEarth [86b5264b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.181.38.75] has joined #lnd 08:35 < kmordic> if you give it to them and they have the ability spend it back to you, then whats to stop them from running off with it. 08:36 < LukesFlatEarth> "If anyone who donated to me feels like it, I can pay the tax-man less if you get in touch with your cost basis for the donated coins. Please use email Luke_donation_costbasis@dashjr.org for this purpose. Don't forget to mention the number of bitcoins you donated & when. Thanks!" 08:36 < LukesFlatEarth> Just spreading the word 08:36 < cdnttinkofusrnam> multisig? 08:38 < kmordic> possibly but you would still be paying high txn fees 08:40 -!- tuxx_ [~tuxx@bdn.de] has joined #lnd 08:40 < tuxx_> awesome 08:43 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44 -!- btcltc_ [598baf04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.139.175.4] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:46 -!- naribia [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has joined #lnd 08:51 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 08:53 -!- cdnttinkofusrnam [~root@185.230.125.42] has left #lnd [] 08:59 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:04 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.193] has joined #lnd 09:04 < LukesFlatEarth> #bitcoin-forks 09:26 < akihabara> i think i should get a vps with ubuntu to continue 09:26 < akihabara> what do you think guys? 09:26 < LukesFlatEarth> idk what a vps is 09:27 < akihabara> virtual private server 09:27 < LukesFlatEarth> what are you continuing? 09:27 < akihabara> the ln 09:27 < akihabara> testing 09:28 < LukesFlatEarth> idk why that would be necessary 09:28 < LukesFlatEarth> do you live in NK or something? 09:28 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 09:29 < akihabara> because my vm is limiting my laptop's capabilities and the fact that its behind a NAT makes it almost impossible for others to connect 09:29 < akihabara> plus the vps is 24/7 online 09:29 < akihabara> where is NK/ 09:29 < akihabara> ?? 09:30 < LukesFlatEarth> it's just north of South Korea 09:31 < akihabara> wow no..europe dude 09:31 < LukesFlatEarth> :D 09:32 < LukesFlatEarth> Just ask yourself what would "Luke-JR do?" then do that 09:32 < akihabara> ? 09:33 < aakselrod> don't feed the trolls 09:34 < akihabara> lol 09:34 < akihabara> is it a bot or just a virgin 30years old man? :D 09:38 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 09:39 < LukesFlatEarth> is what a bot? 09:41 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 09:45 -!- dada [43bc2a4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.42.76] has joined #lnd 09:45 -!- dada [43bc2a4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.42.76] has quit [Client Quit] 09:47 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@158.64.79.10] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:47 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@2001:a18:0:b23::6] has joined #lnd 09:47 -!- Deadlyelder [~deadlyeld@2001:a18:0:b23::6] has quit [Client Quit] 09:50 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lnd 09:51 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51 -!- LukesFlatEarth [86b5264b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.181.38.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:52 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 09:52 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:07 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 -!- Giszmo [~leo@190.8.79.154] has joined #lnd 10:17 -!- takinbo [~takinbo@unaffiliated/takinbo] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:21 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 10:23 < mlz> akihabara, if you can afford a cheap VPS instance, go for it 10:23 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.191] has joined #lnd 10:24 < mlz> akihabara, with a VPS it's easier to open the port and let others to open channels with you 10:24 -!- takinbo [uid19838@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghpipdxlivcxgsqj] has joined #lnd 10:25 < EYolo> do it 10:25 -!- tenev [~tenev@37.25.86.174] has joined #lnd 10:34 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36 < kmordic> akihabara: do you have a spare old laptop that you dont care about. install linux on that and run it off there. thats what i did. 10:39 < blademccool> i forwarded my (isp supplied) router port 9735 to my desktop pc that runs the virtualbox. then i added port forwarding in the virtualbox network config to forward 9735 to the port that the peerport the guest is running lnd on (10011 in my case). worked and confirmed reachable from outside by using my cheap vps to telnet to it. 10:40 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42 < kmordic> i understood about half of what you just said. all i know is i have no access to my router because i am not the admin. if i did i would forward my ports. 10:43 < kmordic> at least try and figure out how to. 10:45 < blademccool> o :( yeah that makes it hard. 10:45 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.191] has joined #lnd 10:47 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lnd 10:54 -!- bitconto_ [~bitconto@81.17.31.10] has quit [] 10:58 -!- Babozor [~babozor@81.171.81.191] has quit [] 11:10 -!- EmperorSeptim [uid265175@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uyefycftrbtbgrac] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:10 -!- theobromine [~theobromi@108.211.201.53] has joined #lnd 11:11 < theobromine> i've seen rumors that the lightning network "centralizes" the bitcoin network, can anyone respond to this or provide a relevant resource? 11:11 < rabidus> just no 11:12 < theobromine> is false? 11:12 < rabidus> it will be more centralized as current bitcoin node network, but it's way too good already. network topology is different 11:12 < rabidus> s/as/comared to 11:14 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@81.17.31.10] has joined #lnd 11:15 < rabidus> https://bitcoinexchangerate.org/lightning make your own assumptions about centralization :) that's current testnet 11:16 < theobromine> have there ever been discussions of market-based mechanisms for establishing 'proof'? 11:17 < theobromine> possibly via a different currency 11:17 < rabidus> well, currently lots of people run full node just to help network, no self-benefits 11:18 < Veggen> theobromine: centralization of LN will be easy to route around if necessary. 11:18 < theobromine> there's some rule of thumb about how you can wait for 6 confirmations 11:18 < Veggen> ..as opposed to centralization of blockchain/mining etc. 11:19 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 11:19 < theobromine> right 11:19 < Veggen> ...but it remains to be seen how centralized it becomes, over time. 11:20 < theobromine> how does this compare to cardano? 11:21 < akihabara> who wants to try and connect with me? 11:21 < Veggen> I can do so...details? 11:21 < kmordic> i dont understand the rumor of centralization. even if everyone connected to coinbase and did 3-5 transactions and then closed a channel. the funds are still there. bitcoin still has 21million coins that can be mind. 11:21 < kmordic> akihabara: ill try and connect 11:22 < kmordic> or you can try and connect to mine 11:22 < akihabara> lets see 11:22 < akihabara> again :D 11:23 < kmordicLT> akihabara: 036de8e0829e142cbad85763aecacab19f4b7196f071a7ff85b6c93c33d239e7af@76.14.28.158:45668 11:23 < kmordic> akihabara: i dont have the right port so it might not work. 11:23 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:24 < Veggen> gotta go, anyhow. 11:24 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.165.130.220.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27 < mlz> wow.. nice https://bitcoinexchangerate.org/lightning 11:28 < akihabara> nothing 11:28 < akihabara> i cant even ping your ip 11:28 < akihabara> are you sure your ip is unique and not shared with others? 11:28 < kmordic> who the hell knows. let me try and connect with you 11:29 -!- tenev [~tenev@37.25.86.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:29 < kmordic> im a noob at network configurations 11:29 < akihabara> the thing is a lot of isp they share your public ip, due to the limited space 11:30 < akihabara> so basicaly you and your neighbors are behind a NAT with your public ip as gateway for all of you 11:30 < kmordic> probably, that makes sense im in heavy populated area 11:30 < akihabara> because my trace ends at 174.127.183.1 11:30 < akihabara> which is a router in seatle 11:31 < kmordic> i guess my ip isnt static 11:33 < akihabara> your ip is most probably not static, unless you ask for it (and pay for it obviously) but this is not the problem. the problem is your isp blocks all the incoming connections 11:35 -!- theobromine [~theobromi@108.211.201.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37 < akihabara> why everyone is using rpcuser and rpcpass kek?? 11:38 < kmordic> whats wrong with rpcuser pass? 11:39 < kmordic> oh you mean the user name kek pass kek? 11:39 < kmordic> cuz the instructions told them lol 11:39 < akihabara> nothing wrong, im just trying to understand. are there any other servers (closer to europe) that we can connect/ 11:39 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 11:39 < akihabara> yes 11:40 < kmordic> do you have any channels open with anyone? 11:40 < akihabara> i have 2 channels open 11:40 < kmordic> send me an invoice 11:40 < akihabara> 1 with ctrlbreak_1 from here 11:40 < akihabara> and starblocks 11:40 < akihabara> yeah sure. one sec 11:41 < akihabara> lntb100u1pd96q7gpp52c27m7e9l49ktug9p7de40e6vc6ktwgsy0kkc30lpgfwyggsz2jsdqqcqzyssh62fsfzvjkdc280kr6kmqw4zf8jtqmy20p8ztfthxmessrl55dn46kx88fjjwl4rxv707ep9gljltatlya3rhupv2yzaef5mexzyaqpy4qpla 11:42 < akihabara> any luck? 11:42 < kmordic> same payment error 11:43 < kmordicLT> akihabara: payment_error": "unable to route payment to destination: TemporaryChannelFailure(update=(*lnwire.ChannelUpdate)(0xc4206f6230)({\n Signature: (*btcec.Signature)(0xc420638660)({\n R: (*big.Int)(0xc42125d9c0)(107451542426097800894511938502189395832345551100583698167455059995743711868190),\n 11:43 < akihabara> let me try and pay my own invoice lol 11:43 <@roasbeef> gotta heve enough capacity to recv 11:43 <@roasbeef> have* 11:43 < akihabara> roasbeef : how to check the capacity? 11:43 <@roasbeef> temp chan failure typically indicative of insufficient capacity somewhere in the route 11:44 <@roasbeef> if all the money is on your side of teh channel, you can't recv 11:44 < kmordic> akihabara: make is a smaller amount 11:44 < akihabara> aaah ok 11:44 < akihabara> lntb100n1pd96pycpp55ewmjhu8dyhvy367saq6nl6qayhw927ca4hspv3drlz3m3gha79sdqqcqzysgdk6ktcp7my8v83yemen6gh0vr6uzf9dhdvjmqa4lxz82n4afmexnc6nq64eecufjl7vsrkr849646kt226c7tnuah3pt7stafag8nqqyta089 11:45 < akihabara> i put 10 as amount 11:45 < kmordic> NICE! 11:45 < kmordic> worked 11:45 <@roasbeef> :) 11:45 < akihabara> niiiice!! 11:45 < kmordic> whos charging 10sat fee! 11:46 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:47 < akihabara> lets try and open a channel 11:47 < mlz> whoa.. what works? 11:47 <@roasbeef> they did a payment 11:47 < mlz> ah :D 11:48 < kmordic> i would but my port isnt set up. 11:49 < akihabara> aparently it was the amount 11:49 < akihabara> he didnt have enough coins in his wallet, right? 11:50 < kmordicLT> lncli getnodeinfo 036de8e0829e142cbad85763aecacab19f4b7196f071a7ff85b6c93c33d239e7af 11:50 < kmordicLT> no ip listed 11:50 < akihabara> how can i check my port? 11:51 < mlz> can someone pay this: lntb250n1pd96psepp538n7xr8yyajn8ltym37693rz07lwj72n2wgdxwvfudsl5e3wcwkqdpsw3jhxarfdenjqurp09kk2mn5ypmkjargypy4yseqwpjk2urnrcgqtvevl4rh634pt48z52wutunutgy62mfn36zwqwcu22kxjj65mjle8xg3dqmhdhzs6y772hf36x6utdjpl47m39v0ctdfrvjnw8qq7qpmlg 11:51 < kmordic> ill do it 11:53 < kmordic> pending 11:53 < kmordic> im doing it though my phone enclair app. if it doesnt work ill do it on my node 11:53 < spudowiar> How can I get all the channels that lnd knows of? 11:54 < spudowiar> i.e. Not just ones that the node is participating in 11:54 < spudowiar> Can't find anything in the RPC protocol, might have to add an RPC call? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/lnrpc/rpc.proto 11:55 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: lncli describegraph 11:55 <@roasbeef> lncli getnetworkinfo 11:55 <@roasbeef> there's also: http://api.lightning.community/ 11:55 <@roasbeef> http://api.lightning.community/#describegraph 11:55 < spudowiar> roasbeef: describegraph seems to only return channels I'm participating in 11:55 <@roasbeef> http://api.lightning.community/#getnetworkinfo 11:56 <@roasbeef> no it's all channels you know of 11:56 < spudowiar> I want to do a graph of the entire network 11:56 <@roasbeef> yep that's the call you want 11:56 < buZz> spudowiar: like https://explorer.acinq.co/ ? 11:56 < spudowiar> Hmm. My c-lightning node seems to see channels from everywhere though 11:56 < spudowiar> buZz: Yeah 11:56 < buZz> but of mainnet? :) 11:56 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: what do your stats in getnetworkinfo show? 11:56 < spudowiar> num_nodes: 41, num_channels: 1 11:56 < spudowiar> Shall I paste the full output? 11:56 <@roasbeef> connected to testnet? is it a new node? 11:57 < kmordicLT> "num_nodes": 1203, 11:57 < kmordicLT> "num_channels": 3617, 11:57 < spudowiar> roasbeef: This one is testnet, new node 11:57 < spudowiar> Let me try something quickly 11:57 < mlz> roasbeef, why did this channel get such a high number: "csv_delay": 1982 11:57 <@roasbeef> give it a min or so 11:57 < mlz> does it mean 1982 blocks? 11:57 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: if it's neutrino mode, will take a min or so to get the new network view 11:57 <@roasbeef> mlz: yes :) 11:57 < mlz> whoa why so high? 11:57 <@roasbeef> stuff is scaled now, but needs further tweaking 11:58 < spudowiar> roasbeef: Ah, this one is neutrino (because I have a fully synced bitcoind, but my btcd is still syncing) 11:58 < spudowiar> Thanks 11:58 <@roasbeef> you can also set the csv param you extend to the remote ndoe 11:58 < spudowiar> buZz: MAYYYYBE 11:58 < buZz> <3 12:00 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 12:02 < kmordic> mlz send another invoice 12:04 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 12:05 < kmordic> mlz: testing payment with IRC peeps. how did you add text to the invoice 12:06 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 12:13 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 12:15 -!- EYolo [86b5ae79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.181.174.121] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:15 < spudowiar> roasbeef: Ok, it's been a few minutes :) 12:15 < spudowiar> Still only sees a single channel 12:17 < mlz> kmordic, lntb150n1pd96rzvpp5z8xedjz5kd8vlu3e9ve7cp6es8wfh03zqzlvcwtetdxsrh7jyvdsdp2va5k6mt9ypskcmpq09hh2u3qwdshgmmndp5jcgreducqzys2quuvkr7tmvef4eqlxm42zah7zey83slddd9gupy7mu0qppz5xsh2j66kcxmjcl9zme6fkmhldjgeqqy2zpu27egzhgr7y7kgv5t7fcpa7yha0 12:17 < akihabara> i just found out there is an app client for android 12:17 < kmordic> mlz: sending 12:18 < kmordic> akihabara: yeah but its super buggy and 75% of txns dont go trough 12:18 < akihabara> thats absolutelly fine 12:18 < akihabara> its beta version ;0 12:19 < akihabara> :) 12:19 < kmordicLT> mlz: "payment_error": "unable to route payment to destination: UnknownNextPeer", 12:19 < kmordicLT> "payment_preimage": "", 12:19 < kmordicLT> "payment_route": null 12:20 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 12:21 < akihabara> but i now understand how payment channel work. basically i open a channel with starblocks for an amount i choose (ie 100mbtc). from that moment starblocks credit 150mbtc and i can buy coffee as many times as ive got amount in the channel 12:21 < akihabara> right? 12:23 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 12:24 < kmordic> yes but your money in the channel starblocks has can also route through starblock to say pay someone else. 12:27 < spudowiar> Still can't see the other channels :( 12:27 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: are you connected to a full node? 12:27 < akihabara> hm any idea how i can see the routes? like traceroute 12:27 < spudowiar> roasbeef: Neutrino still 12:27 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: if you switch to debug logging level what do you see? 12:27 <@roasbeef> sure, but you need to tell it to connect to a node 12:27 <@roasbeef> as there aren't many that can serve it on testnet 12:28 < spudowiar> roasbeef: Connected to Bitrefill's, I'm at the latest block 12:28 < spudowiar> Does switching to debug log level require me to kill LND and restart it? 12:28 < spudowiar> Or can I do it over RPC? 12:28 <@roasbeef> kmordic: things will only not go thru due to insufficient capacity, it's a flow network 12:28 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: rpc 12:28 < spudowiar> Ah 12:28 < spudowiar> lncli debuglevel :_) 12:29 < kmordic> roasbeef: so if there is not enough money in a channel along the way, then it will fail the txn? 12:30 < spudowiar> roasbeef: Right. Tons of spam about getcfilter. But here's the interesting thing, I'm receiving ChannelUpdate for other channels 12:30 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: yep validating, just w8 12:31 <@roasbeef> kmordic: yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_network 12:31 < spudowiar> roasbeef: ok 12:31 < spudowiar> Hmm, I wonder if I can fire up my bitcoind and use that solely to sync up btcd 12:31 < spudowiar> Oh 12:31 < spudowiar> Wait 12:31 < spudowiar> I could just do addblock with each block :P 12:31 < akihabara> im still waiting for my channels to be confirmed in the app 12:31 < spudowiar> Does that work? 12:32 <@roasbeef> just w8? 12:32 < spudowiar> I want to sync up a btcd so I'm no longer reliant on Neutrino 12:32 < kmordic> akihabara: let me know if it connect for you, im having alot of trouble with that app. 12:32 < spudowiar> But it takes ages to sync and I have a fully synced bitcoind 12:33 < akihabara> it says with orange letters, waiting for funding confirmed 12:33 <@roasbeef> yeh so sync it in the background, point your neutrino at that once it's done 12:34 < spudowiar> Just wondering if I can re-use my bitcoind blocks without re-validating 12:34 < akihabara> kmordic do you want to try and connect to me? 12:34 <@roasbeef> spudowiar: there's an import tool https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/blob/master/cmd/addblock/import.go 12:34 <@roasbeef> or just wait lol 12:34 <@roasbeef> akihabara: you can't get inbound connections if you're behind a NAT 12:35 < kmordic> akihabara: sure 12:35 < kmordic> dang i guess im behind a NAT too.... 12:35 < akihabara> 03affaa42706881a87f45082b5ff193532237ab710593ba49a14aee21599cbe01a@138.201.158.238:9735 12:35 < akihabara> thry this one 12:35 < akihabara> my mobile goes through the vpn 12:37 < kmordicLT> akihabara: lncli connect 03affaa42706881a87f45082b5ff193532237ab710593ba49a14aee21599cbe01a@138.201.158.238:9735 12:37 < kmordicLT> [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = dial tcp 138.201.158.238:9735: getsockopt: connection refused 12:37 < akihabara> ok let me torch 12:39 < akihabara> ok try now while im watching the torch window 12:40 < kmordic> ok ill try agian 12:40 < akihabara> im watching 12:40 < kmordic> anything? 12:41 < akihabara> no everything port 800 12:41 < akihabara> go to whatsmyip.com and tell me your address 12:41 <@roasbeef> doesn't matter if your ports aren't being forwarded... 12:42 < akihabara> the vpn is on vps 12:42 < mlz> kmordic, can you give me an invoice? 12:42 < akihabara> all ports should be open 12:43 < kmordic> akihabara: 76.14.28.158 12:44 < kmordicLT> mlz: lntb6u1pd96y5npp5y9amlnq8p6059luc58n0udz2m2mgxyy2wkujy3h4s4kmlz2hnzfqdqqcqzysgm26jhwzxj3afrmsldsuw7ty46pyy0vwm9esldd0z4r7mrfed2hsufz2qvpq49t9shvrs2gw5wuf5qpe6qfteqplu2eng438lvua3esqkm9sw8 12:44 < kmordicLT> mlz: how did you add text to the one you sent me 12:44 -!- Giszmo [~leo@190.8.79.154] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:45 -!- naribia_ [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has joined #lnd 12:47 < mlz> paid thru 3 hops :D https://paste.ee/p/A6uG7#FSOKJSuSk04CTGUvWSTLgUwITMIP2sJb 12:47 < mlz> kmordicLT, lncli addinvoice 1 --memo="GIMME ALL YOUR MONEY!" 12:48 < kmordic> roasbeef: does lnd automatically rebalance the network jumping through different hoops. or does it pick the fastest route? 12:48 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 12:49 -!- naribia [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51 < kmordic> mlz: who charging the 10 fee? 12:51 < kmordic> can you make the fee on your node what ever you want? 12:52 < kmordic> whats to stop me from making it 100 or 10000 12:53 < EvanR> you can charge fees for forwarding payments? 12:53 <@roasbeef> kmordic: set of heuristics governs ruote selection, you can make it as high as you want 12:53 <@roasbeef> the default is 0.0001% 12:53 <@roasbeef> then there's a base fee on top of that 12:54 < akihabara> try now 12:55 < kmordic> roasbeef: and if i change this fee, the network will route around me if it can find a cheaper route? 12:55 <@roasbeef> yeh since everyone is already on the floor 12:56 < kmordic> roasbeef: thats awesome 12:56 < mlz> roasbeef, how do we route around the high fee suckers? 12:56 <@roasbeef> does it for you 12:56 < mlz> oh really? cool 12:57 < kmordic> roasbeef: but if its a flow network, wont it have to route through a high fee at some point? 12:57 <@roasbeef> possibly 12:58 < kmordic> roasbeef: are we basing this off a capitalist model to deal with some trying to set high fees? 12:58 < akihabara> how can i get the working port in eclair?? 12:59 < mlz> which eclair do you have? 12:59 < akihabara> 0.2.3 mobile android 13:00 <@roasbeef> it can't accept connections 13:00 < mlz> you only can pay on eclair mobile, can't receive 13:00 < akihabara> aaah 13:00 < akihabara> i didnt know 13:00 < akihabara> i just read the about file too 13:00 < akihabara> shame 13:00 < mlz> but i like it like that, more secure if i use it to pay for coffee and small items 13:01 < akihabara> is it because it doesnt download the blockchain or is it irrelevant? 13:01 < mlz> and don't care about receiving 13:01 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 13:01 < mlz> akihabara, no it doesn't download the chain 13:01 < mlz> it's a light client 13:03 < spudowiar> roasbeef: Forget waiting, I'm going to insecureimport my bitcoind installation :P 13:04 < akihabara> so it will accept incoming payments no matter what 13:04 < akihabara> even if the blockchain is not downloaded. well that makes sense 13:04 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 13:05 < mlz> akihabara, do you have it installed on your android phone? 13:06 < akihabara> yes 13:07 < mlz> kmordic, it's Endurance (Eclair) node that charged 10 sat for the fee :D 13:07 < EvanR> Unable to locate package golang-1.8-go 13:08 < EvanR> :( 13:08 < EvanR> (trying to begin installing lnd on linux 13:08 < mlz> EvanR, install Go from their site, don't depend on linux to install for you 13:08 < akihabara> download 1.9.2 13:08 < akihabara> better 13:08 < EvanR> well, ok but I am just using the instructions 13:08 < EvanR> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md 13:09 < mlz> how to install Go, super easy: https://paste.ee/p/b0n35#8ckJAm8fNcJEydZhyQBrIKLdblLMsSOE 13:09 < naribia_> can a regular lnd instance connect to a .onion node, or must it be running through tor also 13:09 < akihabara> the app cannot maintain the channels when i close it 13:09 < akihabara> i reopened the app and the channels say offline 13:10 < mlz> my lnd node couldn't connect to Leo's tor node, i think i need to set up tor first and run my node thru tor 13:10 < akihabara> and i cant open a new one 13:12 < naribia_> what is the point of a tor lnd node then 13:12 < naribia_> its just like a seperate Tor-only lightning network 13:14 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@user182.c2.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17 < akihabara> my ram is 95% full...8gb. i think i need more resources :D 13:18 < kmordic> EvanR: follow mlz install guide its the fastest least frustrating way to install it. 13:18 < kmordic> EvanR: dont forget to source ~/.profile 13:18 < EvanR> yeah i am doing all those steps one by one 13:18 < EvanR> about to clone lnd repo 13:19 < EvanR> i noticed lnd taking a lot of CPU on my laptop 13:19 < kmordic> akihabara: why is your ram so high? 13:19 < EvanR> is there a way to throttle that so my VPS doesnt shut me down 13:20 < EvanR> when i get this set up 13:21 < kmordic> my laptop is only using 2-3 G mem. 13:23 < akihabara> mordic : i run 2 vms 13:24 < akihabara> evanr what do you mean? 13:24 < kmordic> akihabara: oh yeah 13:24 < akihabara> why is it shutting you down? 13:24 < EvanR> if i run a 100% cpu program on the vps for too long they send me a cease and desist 13:25 < akihabara> must be a setting in your panel 13:25 < EvanR> o_O 13:26 < akihabara> which datacentre are you using? 13:26 < EvanR> ramnode 13:26 < EvanR> not a datacenter 13:28 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has joined #lnd 13:28 < akihabara> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1327760 13:28 < akihabara> aparrently is under your agreement, that you will use a percentage of the cpu power 13:29 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 13:30 < akihabara> https://www.tecmint.com/limit-cpu-usage-of-a-process-in-linux-with-cpulimit-tool/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecmint+%28Tecmint%3A+Linux+Howto%27s+Guide%29 13:30 < akihabara> try this 13:30 < akihabara> tool 13:40 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 13:40 -!- mlz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 13:44 < EvanR> syncing headers 13:45 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 13:50 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 13:51 < akihabara> what does the source ~/.profile do? 13:53 < wumpus> it re-loads ~/.profile, supposedly after you changed it, akin to logging in again 13:56 < EvanR> should i be on version 0.3-alpha 13:56 < EvanR> or is there a master branch bleeding edge 13:56 < akihabara> ok and ~/.profile is where the profile attributes exist right? 13:57 < EvanR> you can define aliases, functions, and environment variables in there 13:57 < EvanR> sometimes they are in .bashrc instead 13:57 < akihabara> i see 13:57 < EvanR> PATH is a big env var 13:57 < EvanR> without it nothing you read will work 13:59 < akihabara> i used PATH to install btcd and lnd but i didnt understand it fully 13:59 < akihabara> i wouldnt know where to use it if i ever needed it again 13:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNWrg 13:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 187f595 Alex: multi: add bitcoind drivers and tests 13:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 9a02884 Alex: main/lntest: factor out node config options, add options for bitcoind... 13:59 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master db55569 Alex: chainntfns: stop neutrino service before closing DB in interface_test.go 14:06 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 14:06 < kmordic> akihabara: i didnt understand it either but after installing btcd and lnd i got more of an understanding of it. the PATH is to let linux know were the programs you installed are and allow you to execute them in terminal. from my understanding at least 14:07 < akihabara> yes you use PATH to link for example the command btcd to a certain folder which contains its files 14:08 < kmordic> right i never new that untill i did this project. i still would never understand how to do it on my own without instructions. maybe one day. 14:08 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 14:08 < akihabara> to be honest before i started installing btcd and lnd and become serious, i was a complete noob. now im stilla noob, but i know how to instlal btcd and lnd 14:09 < akihabara> with instructions me too :D 14:10 < kmordic> in the same boat. i use to be a windows person but made the switch to linux and im not looking back. 14:11 < akihabara> one day the world will be ours... THE NOOOOBS :D 14:12 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has quit [Quit: See You Later] 14:12 < EvanR> revenge of the noobs 14:13 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 14:13 < EvanR> does sending getcfilter / received cfiler ever end 14:13 < akihabara> no this goes for as long as you run the lnd 14:13 < EvanR> its about 1000 per second 14:13 < akihabara> yes 14:13 < EvanR> 86% cpu 14:13 < akihabara> put it on the bg 14:14 < EvanR> i have it in screen 14:14 < akihabara> or open a new tab to continue with the commands 14:14 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has joined #lnd 14:14 < akihabara> try ctrl-z 14:14 < EvanR> i cant read other messages so i guess i need to reconfigure debuglevel 14:14 < akihabara> it should suspend its function 14:14 < akihabara> right? 14:15 < EvanR> that would be counter productive 14:15 < akihabara> as soon as you press this type ps 14:15 < akihabara> and check how many processes you have 14:15 < akihabara> if you have 1, then type bg 14:15 < akihabara> it will start again in the background 14:15 < EvanR> i typed fg 14:16 < akihabara> else bg %# where # is the number of the process 14:16 < akihabara> fg is foreground 14:16 < akihabara> what you want to do, is to keep it running in the bg 14:16 < EvanR> the cfilter stuff eventually did stop 14:17 < EvanR> in case you dont know, if youre inside screen control A then D will background it without suspending it 14:17 < EvanR> screen -r to restore 14:18 -!- mlz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 14:18 < akihabara> screen ? the program? 14:18 < EvanR> yes 14:18 < akihabara> i use byobu 14:18 < akihabara> with tmux 14:19 < akihabara> then yes. you dont need to suspend and restore it 14:19 < akihabara> just open a new tab 14:19 < akihabara> or ssh 14:20 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23 < EvanR> hmm like 7 threads, 200% cpu, i need to control C 14:27 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has joined #lnd 14:27 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@81.17.31.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@ip4d16c34a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lnd 14:33 -!- bitconto [~bitconto@ip4d16c34a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:35 < EvanR> i am unable to connect to 9 peers at bootstrap 14:35 < EvanR> almost every time i start lnd 14:36 < EvanR> maybe i am blacklisted 14:38 -!- bird_ [~bird@104.236.31.121] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:39 < akihabara> bootstrap? 14:39 < EvanR> SRVR: Backing off peer bootstrapper to 2m0s 14:40 < EvanR> DISC: Obtained 6 addrs to bootstrap network with 14:41 < anome> i'm getting incorrect shasums on the lightning-app release from lightninglabs/lightning-app 14:41 < anome> getting 39ece405a7e4ca45bf94c6db857cd30f04f3217300c64c0ac7d5c96323289f3b 14:41 < anome> expecting 83159bb69c4eefc0670e250c29c275bd955e7d25b6a3a0fc1625a891c2127ee7 14:42 < EvanR> maybe report that on lightningcommunity slack lightning-app channel 14:42 < anome> fucking slack 14:52 -!- naribia_ [cf5ba373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.91.163.115] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #600: docker, docs, sample-lnd.conf: update examples for new command-line options (master...bitcoind-docs) https://git.io/vNZSC 15:01 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 15:02 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:03 -!- sdupre [18650bcc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.101.11.204] has joined #lnd 15:09 < EvanR> suddenly everything got a lot quieter 15:09 < EvanR> 0% cpu, explorer 1/2 disappeared 15:14 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-076-170-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:17 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 15:22 < EvanR> "not enough witness outputs to create funding transaction, need 0.1 BTC only have 0 BTC available" :( 15:30 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:ec44:dd41:ce14:bc64] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34 -!- wxss [~user@103.86.98.4] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:43 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:51 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-131-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #lnd 15:58 -!- twobtc [17f24f6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.242.79.109] has joined #lnd 15:58 < twobtc> hi 15:58 < twobtc> is anybody in here? 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21:43 < mlz> yup 21:43 < Veggen> yah, I saw. 21:43 < mlz> https://gist.github.com/aakselrod/5644b9319041a796ba6ffca28062376e 21:43 -!- bitconto_ [~bitconto@141.255.166.214] has joined #lnd 21:43 < mlz> it's sooo amazing.. I'm running it on windows :D 21:43 < Veggen> So just scrap whatever source I have, download again, rebuild, and up I go? 21:44 < Veggen> or did you clean up source another way? 21:44 < mlz> yup 21:44 < mlz> rm -rf lnd 21:47 < Veggen> ...installing.... 21:49 < Veggen> it fails a lot of tests. 21:51 < Veggen> not a lot. some. 21:51 < Veggen> unknown flag `core.active' 21:54 < Veggen> unable to read channel for chain_hash=43497fd7f826957108f4a30fd9cec3aeba79972084e90ead01ea330900000000, node_key=021c3245a887e6b1c02cdc5aeefe2417b80e411f321a51b9e06c9b383c0c51094d: unable to read channel data for chan_point=601354ce4d1cea43d43923c785d5b1281af49e7223dc56403ada16f8b8517324:0: unable to fetch chan info: invalid magic in compressed pubkey string: 28 21:54 < Veggen> fuck. should I have closed the channels? :) 22:01 < Veggen> mlz? 22:02 < mlz> oh. what happened 22:03 < mlz> what i would do: mv .lnd .lnd-old 22:03 < mlz> and restart the lnd node to get a fresh database 22:03 < Veggen> sure, but then I lose channels. 22:03 < mlz> you can go back to the old one later 22:04 < mlz> you might but they might still be there 22:05 < Veggen> nah. No wallet now. 22:06 < Veggen> oh well. I'll go forward, not backwards. 22:06 -!- tweaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06 <@roasbeef> just go back to that prior commit 22:07 <@roasbeef> see `git reflog` 22:08 < Veggen> roasbeef: uhm, I can't go past bitcoind merge, can I? 22:08 < Veggen> or, I could, and then neutrino while closing channels? 22:10 < Veggen> which was the last db-breaking change? 22:13 <@roasbeef> Veggen: if you look at the reflog, you'll see the commit you were at before you advanced to master 22:13 <@roasbeef> you can then checkout that prior commit, and og from there 22:14 < Veggen> I didn't advance to master, I deleted and reinstalled. 22:14 < Veggen> So I guess I just accept loss of funds? ;) 22:15 < mlz> i think the channels will show up 22:15 < Veggen> ..no? 22:15 < mlz> you didn't delete .lnd right? 22:16 < Veggen> no. 22:16 < Veggen> I moved. 22:16 < mlz> ok the lnd that i delete is here: $GOPATH/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd 22:17 < mlz> cd $GOPATH/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/ 22:17 < mlz> rm -rf lnd 22:17 < mlz> git clone https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd $GOPATH/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd 22:18 < mlz> and then go on with the guide https://gist.github.com/aakselrod/5644b9319041a796ba6ffca28062376e 22:20 < Veggen> but if I clone that one, I will be at a point after the merge? need to go back? 22:21 < Veggen> 2018-01-16 06:20:14.634 [ERR] CMGR: Can't accept connection: chacha20poly1305: message authentication failed 22:21 < Veggen> what's this, btw? 22:21 < Veggen> hmm. people having channels, trying to reconnect? 22:24 <@roasbeef> yeh 22:24 <@roasbeef> but now you're all like "that's not me m8" 22:24 < Veggen> yup. 22:24 <@roasbeef> act like a wasteman? thas not me 22:26 < Veggen> but which commit should I roll back to, before applying axels patch? 22:26 < Veggen> git log isn't very helpful, doesn't say anything about db-breaking. 22:28 <@roasbeef> I mean go bkac to the commit before you pulled to master 22:34 < mlz> roasbeef, later on after the lnd is synced and if he runs the old database again, those channels are still there, right? 22:34 < mlz> and then he can just close them 22:40 < Veggen> roasbeef: I did a fresh checkout. 22:41 -!- EmperorSeptim [uid265175@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khnafhhdpbvrrgsa] has joined #lnd 22:51 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lnd 23:06 -!- daouzo235 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lnd 23:06 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06 -!- daouzo235 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Client Quit] 23:06 -!- daouzo23 [~daraki235@81-223-13-90.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #lnd 23:15 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:20 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: richard87] 23:22 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lnd 23:38 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 23:39 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 23:44 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 23:49 < mlz> Veggen, got it to work? 23:53 < Veggen> mlz: not yet ) went to work. 23:53 < Veggen> Can I roll back to around jan 10th, beyond bitcoind, and just run neutrino and close channels=? 23:55 < mlz> i'm wondering if you put the old .lnd back and run that, can you see those channels? 23:56 < zyp> there should have been some tools to extract the keys/contracts so it would be possible to manually recover from messed up states 23:58 -!- sdfgsdfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #lnd 23:58 -!- sovjet [~sovjet@193.189.166.102] has joined #lnd 23:59 < zyp> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/604 <- this would have been easy to recover from if I could extract the key and manually construct a valid sweeping transaction