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00:05 < Sentineo> \o/     
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01:19 < meshcollider> sycofly: NZ \o/
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01:56 < sycofly> \0/ meshcollider 
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02:44 < mlz> Veggen, what do you mean "LN is launched"?
02:44 < zyp> "cat is out of the bag", etc
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02:56 < rafalcpp> > thinking one can stop the epic demand for LN being used right nau!!
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02:59 < Veggen> mlz: I think the momentum is too large, for a "self-launch".
03:00 < Veggen> no way to stop this demand.
03:00 < mlz> Veggen, who's doing this launch?
03:00 < Veggen> mlz: impatient users, impatient vendors.
03:00 < Veggen> Just saw on reddit two more vendors offering to pay users fees for opening channels to them.
03:01 < mlz> Veggen, who are these two businesses?
03:01 < mlz> i heard about one but what i heard they weren't sure if they should do it
03:02 < Veggen> Silkroad, Tokensoft.
03:03 < Veggen> https://twitter.com/TokenSoftInc/status/956260923252994049
03:03 < mlz> i see..
03:03 < Veggen> amd https://twitter.com/benvh/status/956269806390530048
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03:32 < Sentineo> hm interesting
03:32 < Sentineo> silkroute, not road :) 
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04:43 < Totiz> Hello
04:44 < elichai2> hey, i'm trying to add support to define the bitcoind dirdata but although I added a var for it in the struct it doesn't read it off the lnd.conf and doesn't recognize it as an arg, maybe someone can give me pointers? that's what i've tried https://github.com/elichai/lnd/commit/9f0b7cd756553ef9c887481e5f33b5450fe24207
04:44 < Totiz> I tried start ln on simnet with docker folowing this doc https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/tree/master/docker
04:45 < Totiz> but I got this error when running "docker-compose run -d --name alice lnd_btc"
04:45 < Totiz> Step 11/19 : RUN go install . ./cmd/...  ---> Running in 8acfbace09aa # github.com/roasbeef/btcd ./server.go:1388: undefined: time.Until ERROR: Service 'btcd' failed to build: The command '/bin/sh -c go install . ./cmd/...' returned a non-zero code: 2
04:46 < Totiz> I'm sure what I did wrong, my docker-compose is 1.18.0, build 8dd22a9 and docker is 17.06.2-ce, build 3dfb8343b139d6342acfd9975d7f1068b5b1c3d3
04:46 < Totiz> running on amazon linux ami on ec2
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04:51 < mlz> Totiz, did you get the btcd from roasbeef fork?
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04:57 < Totiz> I download from release lnd v0.3-alpha this one https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/archive/v0.3-alpha.zip
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05:04 < Veggen> Totiz - thast one is way too old to be useful, imho..
05:05 < Veggen> need to download from git source.
05:05 < Totiz> Ok, I see I will try it now
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05:09 < megamonster> Hi all. Is there a NodeJs environment friendly code-repository for Lightning Network out there? (is https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd the best?)
05:10 < megamonster> (doh, i meant: https://www.npmjs.com/package/lnrpc)
05:11 < Totiz> <mlz> <Veggen>  Thanks very much  it works now
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05:20 < mlz> np     
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05:30 < Totiz> Now 500+ nodes on mainnet, Is it safe to use in production now? perhaps to use in online shops for payment
05:33 < zyp> the number of nodes doesn't make it any more or less safe
05:33 < Veggen> t's not safe.it's not safe.
05:33 < Veggen> oops.
05:38 < Totiz> Um, means now just testrun on mainnet but not production ready, am I right?
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05:54 < Sentineo> it is in exprimental stage, so the risk is the same :)
05:54 < Sentineo> if you take an experimental care to a race you might end up not finishing it
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06:44 < mlz> Totiz, there are not 500+ nodes
06:44 < mlz> only about 200
06:45 < Totiz> Oh sorry my bad, 208 nodes with 560 channels
06:46 < Sentineo> is there an explorer for mainnet, or you see it on your node?
06:46 < zyp> https://lnmainnet.gaben.win/
06:46 < Totiz> this one https://lnmainnet.gaben.win/
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07:42 < iateadonut> if you run a node, and your btc is used in a transaction as an intermediary, how long is that btc held up?
07:45 < B0g4r7__> Is there any kind of routing logic in play that will look for channels where all of the value has moved to one end, will try to route transactions through that channel in a way that brings the channel more into balance?
07:46 < Sentineo> autopilot is that mode I think
07:47 < B0g4r7__> Man, I really need to start using the software.
07:47 < B0g4r7__> Stupid dayjob keeps consuming my time.
07:48 < Sentineo> yeah I know what you are talking about
07:48 < Sentineo> 4 jobs is no go
07:48 < Sentineo> need to quit one, but I reserve 3 hours per week for crypto at least :)
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09:08 < Felix123123> Hey there!
09:08 < Felix123123> When someone opens a channel with me, is there a way to auto-commit balance? 
09:10 < Felix123123> Autopilot seems to create channels with local balance > 1 and remote_balance = 0... so, they are mostly unidirectional channels? The same seems to happen the other way around, when someone initiates a channel opening to me. There is remote_balance > 0 and local_balance = 0.
09:11 < Felix123123> This should be done when the channel is negotiated at first to get some inputs in the  funding_tx?
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09:52 < bitcoinbobcat> hello
09:55 < bitcoinbobcat> I'm attempting to set up lightning on Linux. I've already installed and synced via bitcoinqt previously, and I know I need to run bitcoind. Will bitcoind share the same block database without additional configuration?
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10:26 < lndbot> <felixp> Is it a full node?
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11:02 < elichai2> trying to ask again, anyone here knows the config.go code?
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11:16 < jigawatt> elichai2: on Windows, lnd looks in %appdata%\local\bitcoin for the bitcoin.conf file. I just put one there with a single line "datadir=c:\mybtcdatadir". Then when you run bitcoind, give it the '-datadir=c:\mybtcdatadir' argument
11:19 < elichai2> I run linux and I have 4 chains on my laptop (mainnet, testnet and 2 regtests), I want to specify which chain I want to use
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11:21 <@roasbeef> note that all those explorers are mostly non sense
11:21 <@roasbeef> you can't ever know the true size of the network, that data is data that people want you to see 
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11:27 < Guest17473> Anyone out there?
11:28 < Guest17473> hello?
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11:30 < jigawatt> elichai2: can you use the --bitcoin.testnet, --bitcoin.regtest lnd args?
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11:33 < elichai2> --bitcoin.regtest just means it will use ~/.bitcoin/regtest/", I want to specify the location, I got e.g. `~/.bitcoin-regtest2`
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11:35 < jigawatt> ah, sorry can't help there...I just have one of each. :)
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11:37 < elichai2> you know the code of lnd? I tried writing a patch for it but I'm missing something
11:37 < elichai2> https://github.com/elichai/lnd/commit/9f0b7cd756553ef9c887481e5f33b5450fe24207
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12:05 < pvl1> whats the size of the current testnet blockchain
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12:09 < blademccool> my testnet blocks directory is ~13gb on disk.
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12:14 < pvl1> DAMMIT
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12:23 <@roasbeef> heads up, updating the faucet 
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12:24 <@roasbeef> elichai2: you have a specific question? 
12:24 < hynek_> Hi, does anyone know why lnd desktop app keeps logging this:
12:24 < hynek_> 2018-01-25 21:23:04.581 [INF] BTCN: Disconnecting peer 127.0.0.1:18333 (outbound), cannot serve compact filters 2018-01-25 21:23:04.581 [INF] BTCN: Lost peer 127.0.0.1:18333 (outbound)
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12:27 <@roasbeef> means that your local btcd node isn't running a versino that can serve the light client mode 
12:28 < hynek_> I'm running a Bitcoin Core full node
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12:51 < diegotco> Hello guys, I no tech guy here. Does anyone how to proceed with this? https://screencast.com/t/b6A2WxkytgZF
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13:13 < victor__> Hi! Can any one tell my why the lightning network is not in use yet. Or point me to a post explaining why
13:15 < B0g4r7_> It is in use.
13:17 < victor__> Not only on the testnet?
13:17 < B0g4r7_> There are over 200 nodes running on mainnet currently.
13:18 < B0g4r7_> https://lnmainnet.gaben.win
13:19 < victor__> wow     
13:20 < victor__> so those are all open channels?
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13:20 < B0g4r7_> I believe each line shown represents an open channel, yes.
13:22 < victor__> cool thanks 
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13:26 < victor__> Looks like this is almost done. Do you know why it's not "mainstream"
13:26 < victor__> ?     
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13:31 < B0g4r7_> I believe the prevailing opinion is that the software is not yet tested thoroughly enough to be suitable for "production" use.
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13:33 < B0g4r7_> But it looks like there are a bunch of people who are using it anyway.
13:34 < victor__> Thanks, I see I need to start reading about it :)
13:35 < B0g4r7_> I wonder if I can run a node (nodes?) that forms a bridge between BTC and LTC.
13:36 < B0g4r7_> I also have a lot of research to do.
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15:18 < Graylan> Heh. Lightning got covered on decentralized tv. 100 nodes https://youtu.be/-dre--6RElo
15:18 < Graylan> Changing the Bitcoin world one node at a time lmao
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18:14 < kriptoburak> Hi     
18:18 < mlz> hi     
18:22 < lndbot> <djseeds> Hi
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