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02:38 < Veggen> Hmmf. Travis says "abuse detected".
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03:35 < Veggen> ok. seems to be fixed, connected my github to travis, pushed an empty commit, and now it's bukdding in travis...
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04:16 < Veggen> --- FAIL: TestLightningWallet/btcwallet/bitcoind:publish_transaction (15.97s) interface_test.go:1272: tx not relayed to miner: timeout after 10s
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04:26 < mlz> oh cool, you got an PR to fix this
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04:56 < mlz> s/an/a/
04:56 < mlz> Veggen, lately travis seems difficult
05:07 < mlz> awesome!
05:09 < mlz> ~$ lncli fwdinghistory --max_events=1
05:09 < mlz> {     
05:09 < mlz>     "forwarding_events": [
05:09 < mlz>         {
05:09 < mlz>             "timestamp": "1520254840",
05:09 < mlz>             "chan_id_in": "1415416711611809792",
05:09 < mlz>             "chan_id_out": "1415393621859631105",
05:09 < mlz>             "amt_in": "121",
05:09 < mlz>             "amt_out": "120",
05:09 < mlz>             "fee": "1"
05:09 < mlz>         }
05:09 < mlz>     ],
05:09 < mlz>     "last_offset_index": 1
05:09 < mlz> }     
05:11 < Veggen> mlz: but does it matter? Will I need to trigger a new test?
05:12 < Veggen> the failed test was completely unrelated to my change.
05:13 < mlz> Veggen, i heard you have to get travis to whitelist you or something, it's been difficult for many people to get travis to work 
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05:40 < Veggen> mlz: it ran my test, but one test failed.
05:40 < Veggen> totally unrelated to my patch, though.
05:41 < mlz> oh i see
05:41 < mlz> i thought it failed your test because maybe it didn't accept your test
05:45 < Veggen> at first it didn't accept, but then it did. I also contacted support at travis, so maybe they fixed it.
05:46 < Veggen> I hadn't linked my github profile to travis first, I have never used travis so I don't know what is required :)
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06:22 < Veggen> hmmf. this seems a bit random.
06:23 < Veggen> now, things went better. But failed another place this time, but only with go 1.,9. Not 1.10
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07:26 <@roasbeef> Veggen: travis has weird timing issue, they run on a cluster of old nokias or something 
07:27 < Veggen> ok.     
07:27 < Veggen> well, my PR is done then :)
07:27 < Veggen> (no more travis testing)
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07:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #803: glide: add explicit version to x/crypto deps (master...glide-crypto-x-version) https://git.io/vAHb0
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07:55 < lndbot> <conner> Veggen, if you get flagged for abuse send an email to Travis support asking to whitelist you. Since our tests run bitcoind, they think we’re trying to mine lol. Just let them know that we’re developing bitcoin software and that we require it for testing 
07:58 < Veggen> I did senda mail, am probably whitelisted. It works now.
07:58 < Veggen> except the tests fails, in the known places.
07:58 < Veggen> (but unrelated to my changes)
07:59 < lightningbot1> <conner> That’s fine, we will be hunting down these flakes before 0.4 out
08:02 <@roasbeef> aight about to push a fix to rpc-seed (so GenSeed returns an err if done twice), then will get that in 
08:02 < lndbot> <conner> roasbeef, isSynced bug?
08:02 <@roasbeef> ahh yeh that too 
08:02 <@roasbeef> will roll that in when I apply alex's patch 
08:03 < lndbot> <conner> Fasho!
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08:17 < spiak> Does lightning network have anything like a transaction ID, so one can prove or reference a payment?
08:17 < spiak> so if I buy something on lightning network, if I need to prove a payment in event of a dispute, I can reference a lightning transaction ID?
08:18 <@roasbeef> spiak: you have the payment pre image
08:19 <@roasbeef> the recvr gives you a payreq that's signed, and commits to the payment hash
08:19 <@roasbeef> you could only know the pre-image if the recvr gave it to you 
08:20 <@roasbeef> they can only give it to if they pull the payment 
08:20 < spiak> so if I want to prove a payment to either the merchant, or 3rd party, this is possible?
08:20 < spiak> or not?
08:21 <@roasbeef> yes     
08:21 < spiak> okay, another question. If I open up a channel with LN, Can I receive funds if I have never spent any yet?
08:22 < spiak> Someone on reddit claimed that one has to send before they can receive, trying to verify this claim.
08:25 < naribia> can only receive if someone has opened a channel with you and funded their side
08:25 < naribia> or if you've spent
08:27 < spiak> so if I fund a two way channel from myself (Alex) to Bob, Alex funds chan with 20 mbtc, and Bob funds with 5 mbtc. what is the maximum I can send/receive at a time? 20mbtc, 5 mbtc, 25mbtc?
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08:30 <@roasbeef> spiak: if you don't have any money on your side of the channel, you can't recv 
08:31 <@roasbeef> think of it like a tube of money, money must be conserved 
08:33 < spiak> okay, and for my question above, if I fund chan with Bob for 20mBTC and bob funds chan with 5mBTC, what is max I can send/receive?
08:33 < spiak> assuming Bob is only one I am connected to
08:33 <@roasbeef> the sum of the channel is max 
08:34 < spiak> so the max would be then 25mbtc, and is this max bi-directional?
08:34 <@roasbeef> yep     
08:35 < spiak> okay, and so even if Bob funds all, I still need to fund just a little bit on my side to receive?
08:36 < spiak> or could I still receive if I put in 0, but Bob opened chan with me for 25mbtc?
08:40 < spiak> my last question for now
08:40 < spiak> I know, I am a LN noob, but trying to educate myself.
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09:09 < mlz> 25mbtc is dust isn't it
09:12 < spiak> lol     
09:13 < spiak> 25mbtc is like $300, not dust
09:14 < mlz> ah ok.. i'm allergic to mbtc, too confusing
09:15 < spiak> 1 mbtc = 0.001 BTC
09:17 < spiak> one coffee would be like 0.4 mBTC, much better than saying 0.0004 BTC
09:17 < mlz> say it in satoshi :P
09:17 < spiak> 40000 satoshis
09:17 < spiak> sounds like very expensive
09:18 < mlz> my mental image of btc units is mostly in btc and satoshi, im beginning to get used to msat, but for some reason mbtc can never register
09:19 < mlz> 0.4 msbtc sounds nothing to me :P 
09:19 < spiak> can someone answer my question above? 
09:20 < spiak> [10:35] <spiak> okay, and so even if Bob funds all, I still need to fund just a little bit on my side to receive? [10:36] <spiak> or could I still receive if I put in 0, but Bob opened chan with me for 25mbtc?
09:20 < mlz> you need only one funder
09:20 < spiak> so only one side needs to fund, and max capacity is the total of both sides?
09:20 < mlz> right
09:20 < mlz> if the other person wants to open a channel with you, he can
09:21 < spiak> and capacity is how much can be sent max in one transaction? or the total accumalitive that can be sent before having to refund a chan?
09:21 < mlz> but that will be a different channel
09:21 < mlz> capacity is how much you can spend minus fees
09:21 < mlz> you have to reserve for the closing fee
09:22 < spiak> and of course while the chan capacity might be 25mBTC, if I only funded 5mBTC of that, after spending a accumalitive total of 5mBTC I
09:22 < spiak> need to put in more funds (unless I have recieved)?
09:23 < mlz> you'll have to get used to satoshi and msatoshis if you want to deal with ln
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09:34 < spiak_> back, lost net connectivity
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09:42 < mlz> Veggen, lnd doesn't show the port properly in 
09:42 < mlz> oops
09:42 < mlz> Veggen, lnd doesn't show the port properly in 'getinfo', maybe you can submit the next PR for it? :) 
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09:43 < mlz> like if i have my lnd using port 9734 instead of 9735, it still shows as 9735 
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10:09 <@roasbeef> mlz: (about the witness output vs reg on walletbalance), #769 gets rid of that distinction 
10:13 < mlz> roasbeef, i was thinking of compiling that PR too, how can i compile 769 and 787 ?
10:15 <@roasbeef> also with that you can no longer generate p2pkh 
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10:16 <@roasbeef> also there's a patch to add zombie reservatino garabge collection which would patch any other inadvertent lcoekd outputs that were never unlocked 
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10:20 < naribia> i know this is not direclty related to LND but I'm wondering if btcd provides an RPC for getting the UTXO set, i can't really find anything here: https://godoc.org/github.com/btcsuite/btcd/rpcclient
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10:32 <@roasbeef> naribia: see gettxout
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10:45 < Veggen> mlz: It's a great first PR. Sure you don't want to do it yourself? :)
10:46 < mlz> Veggen, i've no clue how that can be fixed
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11:00 < Veggen> hmm.
11:07 < Veggen> mlz: but it announces itself properly on the net?
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11:28 < mlz> Veggen, it doesn't show the correct port number in "getinfo", so when you copy the URI you have to change it
11:29 < mlz> if you don't and give it to someone to connect to you, it results in error
11:32 < Veggen> ok. doubt I'll have time to look at it today.
11:32 < Veggen> got dancing (West Coast Swing) mondays.
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11:32 < Veggen> ..so gotta go.
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11:52 < mlz> Veggen, have fun
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12:49 < naribia> I don't understand why btcd supports GetTxOut but GetTransaction is a "wallet function" :/
12:51 < naribia> the docs don't clearly say what is wallet implementaiton only
12:51 < naribia> aaaanyway, this is btcd stuff
12:52 <@roasbeef> naribia: you want getrawtransaction 
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12:54 < naribia> roasbeef: thanks, am I looking at the wrong docs? is there some way to know which of these rpc calls work for just btcd ?
12:54 <@roasbeef> naribia: look at the rpcclient docs
12:54 <@roasbeef> or the json docs as well 
12:55 < naribia> the docs here: https://godoc.org/github.com/btcsuite/btcd/rpcclient
12:55 < naribia> don't clearly state which are wallet implementation for all the calls
12:55 < naribia> some do, but others dont
12:55 <@roasbeef> https://godoc.org/github.com/btcsuite/btcd/rpcclient#Client.GetRawTransaction
12:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vA7Vv
12:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 7f953bf Olaoluwa Osuntokun: lnrpc: revamp the WalletUnlocker service to have a two-stage init...
12:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 428693c Olaoluwa Osuntokun: walletunlocker: modify service to implement new 2-step wallet creation...
12:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 6289a2f Olaoluwa Osuntokun: lnd: move seed generation outside wallet to allow for user supplied entropy...
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12:58 < naribia> ok fine GetTransaction does say to use raw for non-wallet... but I swore it wasn't clear for another one, I'll try to find, anyway thanks
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13:19 < ultra> hey... okay, this is probably a more general lightning network question, but I'd also be looking for the corresponding API if possible - is it possible to send an LN payment without an invoice? for say, an automatic refund?
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13:20 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> refunds might be a problem since you don’t have a from key
13:24 < ultra> alexbosworth: what do you mean by from key? 
13:25 < lightningbot1> <conner> ultra, unless you want to give up sender anonymity, then you wouldn’t know who to send the funds back to
13:25 < lightningbot1> <conner> however, it is possible to send a payment without an invoice, though not in the current version of the spec
13:27 < naribia> conner: what kind of address would the payment be sent to if it wasn't an invoice?
13:28 < lndbot> <conner> you would just be sending to the receiver’s node pubkey
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13:28 < naribia> oh sweet
13:28 < lndbot> <conner> construct an onion packet with a payment hash that the _sender_ knows the preimage to
13:29 < lndbot> <conner> when the receiver decrypts on their end, the sender can include a valid preimage
13:29 < lndbot> <conner> if the included preimage is invalid, fail the payment back
13:29 < lndbot> <conner> otherwise accept
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13:29 < ultra> conner: so this isn't possible with current lnd code? 
13:30 <@roasbeef> yes it's possible
13:30 <@roasbeef> you just manually specify all the payment details 
13:30 < lndbot> <conner> it’s not possible with the current code afaia?
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13:31 < lndbot> <conner> in current form, would require overloading unused fields in the receiver’s onion payload
13:31 < lndbot> <conner> which the receiver would have to know how to parse
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13:32 <@roasbeef> he asked if it's possible to create w/o an invoice
13:33 <@roasbeef> so you'd specify payment hash, cltv, values, etc 
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14:18 < ultra> so... reading more of the LN paper now, to do this safely the receiving side always needs to be the one producing the preimage, correct? there's no way in LN right now to request a preimage be produced by the receiver other than invoices?
14:24 < ultra> sorry, I really don't have my head around this fully yet
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14:30 <@roasbeef> there is
14:30 <@roasbeef> everything you've asked it possible 
14:35 < mlz> roasbeef, the only way to send without an invoice is like what we used to do but as i understand it's not safe because the preimage can be reused ? 
14:35 < ultra> roasbeef: nice, is there a particular API I should be looking at?
14:36 <@roasbeef> what do you want to do 
14:37 < ultra> roasbeef: basically send a transaction given just a node's pubkey and an amount
14:37 <@roasbeef> you need a payment hash
14:38 < ultra> roasbeef: is there a method to request one from a node directly? 
14:39 < mlz> ultra, have you seen stuff LND guys created? creating invoices seems to be a nobrainer for websites
14:39 <@roasbeef> if you're paying them, possibly you already know about them?
14:39 <@roasbeef> or err have a relationship with them 
14:39 < mlz> ultra, look at this example:  https://starblocks.acinq.co/#/
14:39 <@roasbeef> if you don't then there's a way to do it at the protocol level, but it isn't really implemented yet
14:41 < ultra> mlz: yeah, I'm aware, I'm not looking to receive funds solely though, I want to be able to send them out for refunds and a referral program we run
14:43 < ultra> roasbeef: say they've paid me in the past, anything I could use there?  
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15:00 -github-onion:#lnd- lightning-onion/master 715b08a Olaoluwa Osuntokun: cmd: update command line generation tool
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21:55 < Veggen> mmm, I can see where the problem with the getinfo port is...
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21:59 < mlz> Veggen, how was the dancing party?
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21:59 < Veggen> good :)
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22:00 < mlz> :)      
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22:02 < mlz> LND doesn't require the port to be in the URI to connect to another node but other pls do require it
22:02 < Veggen> mlz: If you run on non-standardport, you need to have the port added to externalip
22:03 < mlz> s/pls/impls 
22:03 < mlz> Veggen, that's another thing, yes
22:03 < Veggen> wasn't that your problem?
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22:04 < mlz> well i was helping someone to run lnd and he asked to connect to my node, so i gave him the URI without the port and he couldn't connect to it, then i realized i had a different number for the port
22:06 < Veggen> mlz, your getinfo problem from yesterday...
22:08 < Veggen> if you add port to externalip in config file, you get that port in getinfo, else you get the defaultport. regardless what you are listening on.
22:09 < Veggen> not sure how to easily fix, maybe I need to do some pattern matching to find out which listen-argument, if any, that externalip matches :) (if we want to derive it automatically)
22:10 < mlz> oh ..
22:10 < mlz> hm let me see
22:12 < mlz> ah i see
22:13 < Veggen> func (n *IPNet) Contains(ip IP) bool
22:13 < Veggen> Contains reports whether the network includes ip.
22:13 < mlz> but the lnd.conf already has "listen=:29735", i thought that would make it show up in getinfo
22:13 < Veggen> nope. code says no.
22:14 < Veggen> if externalip contains no port, it adds the default port.
22:14 < Veggen> problem is you can have more than one listener, and I think more than one externalip.
22:15 < Veggen> so, say you have 0.0.0.0:9735 and 0.0.0.0:9736, and only want to announce one? now, externalip=A.B.C.D could potentially match with both, no?
22:15 < Veggen> so you'd need to pick.
22:15 < mlz> right you can have a listener for ipv4 and one for ipv5
22:15 < Veggen> that too.
22:15 < mlz> ipv6*
22:16 < Veggen> but I think you can have more per ip-protocol?
22:16 < mlz> i have no clue
22:17 < mlz> i kept wondering why because i didn't know this would make the port to show correctly
22:17 < Veggen> tcp6       0      0 :::9736                 :::*                    LISTEN     
22:17 < Veggen> tcp6       0      0 :::9735                 :::*                    LISTEN     
22:17 < Veggen> (forget tcp6, that's just internal notation, it's ipv4)
22:17 < Veggen> that's two listen, 0.0.0.0:9735 and :9736
22:17 < mlz> for c-lightning i have "port=19735" and it shows the port in the uri
22:18 < mlz> well Veggen thanks, you don't need to fix it :D
22:18 < Veggen> but I'll fix it. In the sample-lnd.conf
22:19 < mlz> yea that's a good idea 
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22:20 < Veggen> If the node listens on
22:20 < Veggen> ; a non-standard-port, your port needs to be added here, in host:port notation.
22:20 < Veggen> ...is that clear?
22:21 < Veggen> ...I'll replace "non-standard-port" with "different port than 9735".
22:26 < mlz> Veggen, or you can just tell them to put the port in with the exernalip ?
22:26 < Veggen>  Unless specified
22:26 < Veggen> ; (with host:port notation), the default port (9735) will be added to the
22:26 < Veggen> ; address.
22:27 < Veggen> I think that's clear?
22:27 < mlz> yea 
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22:28 < mlz> now i start remembering a long time ago we had port 5656 before it was changed to 9735 and i always had "externalip=xx.xxx.xx.xx=5656" in my lnd.conf  :D
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22:43 < Veggen> small pull requests or collect up such changes into larger? Anyone?
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22:52 < mlz> Veggen, what would you want to collect? maybe review the whole lnd.conf sample?  :) 
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23:37 < Veggen> mlz: well, you can collect anything in a PR. But it's not good practise to bundle large changes and small issues in same PR.
23:38 < Veggen> but you could, I guess, just call a PR: "Fix a bunch of small issues, mostly documentation".
23:39 < Veggen> merging a PR is work for someone :) This work for every small change in documentation is overhead.
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