--- Day changed Tue Mar 27 2018 00:07 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lnd 00:15 -!- camulos [~user@103.77.78.248] has joined #lnd 00:18 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 00:31 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 00:32 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 00:33 -!- marsadm [~marsadm@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:33 -!- zx0w [~zx0w@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:33 -!- zx0w [~zx0w@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:35 -!- conundrum_ [~conundrum@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:37 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@unaffiliated/thrasher/x-7291870] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:37 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:38 -!- conundru- [~conundrum@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:39 -!- buZz [~buzz@unaffiliated/buzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:39 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:41 -!- buZz [~buzz@unaffiliated/buzz] has joined #lnd 00:41 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@unaffiliated/thrasher/x-7291870] has joined #lnd 00:41 -!- marsadm [~marsadm@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:46 -!- thrasher`` [~thrasher@unaffiliated/thrasher/x-7291870] has joined #lnd 00:47 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:48 -!- conundru- [~conundrum@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48 -!- zx0w [~zx0w@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@unaffiliated/thrasher/x-7291870] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49 -!- marsadm [~marsadm@172.86.120.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49 -!- marsadm [~marsadm@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:55 -!- rfree_irc [~rfree_irc@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:56 -!- conundrum_ [~conundrum@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 00:58 -!- zx0w [~zx0w@172.86.120.144] has joined #lnd 01:01 -!- MaxSan [~user@91.207.102.163] has joined #lnd 01:32 -!- rls [~rls@74.120.222.234] has joined #lnd 01:32 -!- weedcoder [~weedcoder@pro75-4-82-238-201-154.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: weedcoder] 01:39 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 01:43 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 01:49 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@wnavab-n2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #lnd 02:00 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 02:08 -!- Ed0 [paris2013@perso.iiens.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:29 -!- rls [~rls@74.120.222.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 02:30 -!- rls [~rls@74.120.222.234] has joined #lnd 02:30 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 02:30 -!- Ed0 [paris2013@perso.iiens.net] has joined #lnd 02:35 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56 < Veggen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PRrJrP7Qvr/ 02:58 < Veggen> hmm. That's hodlmonkey... 03:01 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mawwxlodfycsxxku] has joined #lnd 03:15 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@gateway/tor-sasl/lnostdal] has quit [Quit: https://quanto.ga/] 03:17 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 03:25 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 03:56 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:10 -!- MaxSan [~user@91.207.102.163] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 04:23 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-37-38-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:25 -!- camulos [~user@103.77.78.248] has left #lnd [] 04:26 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-37-38-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 04:29 -!- omp_ [~daniel@47.42.232.204] has joined #lnd 04:43 -!- hempalazi [57d51615@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.213.22.21] has joined #lnd 04:45 < hempalazi> There was a full 100% compatibility milestone between lnd, c-lightning and eclair a while back. With the breaking changes in lnd-0.4-beta, is it still compatible with these other two? 04:50 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-37-38-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:52 -!- iv4n [~iv4n@31.173.100.217] has joined #lnd 04:57 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 05:07 < Veggen> hempalazi: well. I think it works ok, but might get noisy. 05:07 < Veggen> might hit snags. 05:07 < Veggen> I have a few connections to c-lightning that seems to work, though. 05:09 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-37-38-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lnd 05:29 < Veggen> Hmm. I envy the Blockstream Lapps. Anyone working on a framework for LND applications? 05:30 < Veggen> Or...make a clightning client bridge? ;) 05:53 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@wnavab-n2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:56 -!- Lairem [~User@unaffiliated/lairem] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:00 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] bitonic-cjp opened pull request #949: config: determine the bitcoind chain directory from the chain params … (master...patch0) https://git.io/vxzuQ 06:14 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 06:20 -!- k1234 [62dfe998@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.223.233.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:26 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 06:31 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:37 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@138.197.133.197] has joined #lnd 06:38 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:55 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:56 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 06:56 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:56 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:56 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 06:57 -!- hempalazi [57d51615@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.213.22.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:01 -!- quitobro [quitobro@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/quitobro] has joined #lnd 07:02 -!- Argonath [b16034ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.96.52.171] has joined #lnd 07:06 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 07:06 < Argonath> I notice some of my channels are going offline sometimes and not coming back online unless I restart my node. Anybody experiencing that? 07:12 < x5tevex> naw 07:13 <@mlz> Argonath, which version are you on? 07:15 < Argonath> lnd 0.4 07:19 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 07:24 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lnd 07:36 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 07:51 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 07:52 < SopaXorzTaker> Hey, I want to try out lightning 07:52 < SopaXorzTaker> I have a very basic understanding of how things work, could someone demo it to me with testnet / really tiny amounts of BTC? 07:53 < lndbot> i would suggest just spinning up a testnet node and paying for a yalls.org article or something 07:55 < SopaXorzTaker> hmm, I suppose that'll do 07:56 < pwkad> SopaXorzTaker: the tutorial shows exactly how to spin up three nodes on your own machine as well 07:56 < pwkad> http://dev.lightning.community/tutorial/ 07:57 < SopaXorzTaker> hmm, before I get started 07:58 < SopaXorzTaker> Do I correctly understand that to set up a channel, it needs to be funded initially? 07:58 < pwkad> You can use testnet or simnet so that you don't actually need any coins 07:58 < SopaXorzTaker> So that both parties must have a suitable balance before the transaction 07:58 < SopaXorzTaker> No, I'm asking about the core idea now 07:58 < pwkad> Well you don't need any mainnet coins 07:59 < SopaXorzTaker> I just want to make sure I understand the protocol correctly 08:03 <@mlz> SopaXorzTaker, have you installed LND? 08:04 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@138.197.133.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05 < SopaXorzTaker> mlz, not yet :P 08:06 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@2604:a880:cad:d0::1c:9001] has joined #lnd 08:07 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mawwxlodfycsxxku] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:10 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-adwfaespaubnjahd] has joined #lnd 08:24 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-ombivuhelmrbnedc] has joined #lnd 08:26 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-adwfaespaubnjahd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37 < Veggen> I seriously recommend trying testnet first. 08:38 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 08:48 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@2604:a880:cad:d0::1c:9001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:48 -!- nixbox [~kodi@c-69-181-66-7.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:51 < lndbot> Lightning requires some training no matter how adept you are at Bitcoin/blockchain tech is in general, and I prefer to train without real money being involved personally. 08:56 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@2604:a880:cad:d0::1c:9001] has joined #lnd 08:57 < Veggen> SopaX: You need to fund it before *you* can set up a channel, but others can set up a channel with you without you having funds. 08:57 < Veggen> This is because a channel is a multisig address that the channel balance is put into. Someone needs to put it there, else there's no value to transact! 09:03 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 09:25 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38 -!- iv4n [~iv4n@31.173.100.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:40 < Argonath> How can I edit the 'autopilot' settings? 09:40 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@2604:a880:cad:d0::1c:9001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 -!- lazerdye [5efe99d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.254.153.217] has joined #lnd 09:47 < lazerdye> Hi I've added funds to my wallet but the balance goes to zero. I'm running v0.4 connected to bitcoind 09:49 < Veggen> "balance goes to zero"? 09:50 < Veggen> which balance? walletbalance? 09:50 < Argonath> lazerdye, probably the autopilot opening channels on the background? try: lncli pendingchannels 09:53 < lazerdye> I did not see any pending channels let me check... 09:53 < lazerdye> I did not see any pending channels let me check... 09:56 < Veggen> Hmm. bitcoinshirt guy said he was running clightning, right? 09:56 < Veggen> I think all my c-lightning channels force-closed upon a restart. 09:56 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lnd 09:57 < Veggen> Hmm. Or, they force-closed. I didn't have to wait... 09:57 < Veggen> (got my funds right away) 09:57 -!- lazerdye [5efe99d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.254.153.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58 -!- lazerdye_ [b91cfb37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.28.251.55] has joined #lnd 09:59 < lazerdye_> I thought channels needed to be manually opened, so I think I'm just fine, just impatient :) 10:01 < Argonath> lazerdye, =) ok 10:04 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 10:07 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 10:07 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 10:11 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has joined #lnd 10:25 -!- lazerdye_ [b91cfb37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.28.251.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:28 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@138.197.133.197] has joined #lnd 10:29 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-ombivuhelmrbnedc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:31 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-pucejknpjqxoqsjs] has joined #lnd 10:34 -!- wooten [a64e9ce7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.78.156.231] has joined #lnd 10:34 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-083-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 10:35 < wooten> the generated macaroon should be hex right? I'm having trouble decoding: Non-hexadecimal digit found 10:36 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:40 < wooten> er 10:44 < wooten> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/grpc/python.md following that.. maybe im just skipping a step somewhere 10:57 <@aakselrod> the macaroon file is binary, you'll want to hex-encode it before sending it over the wire 11:10 < wooten> Thank you. Realized that after looking at file. The docs wording is a bit misleading and the example typo made it that much more so. 11:10 -!- tuxcanfly [~tuxcanfly@146.185.169.116] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:13 -!- quitobro_ [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 11:13 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-pucejknpjqxoqsjs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:14 -!- nixbox [~kodi@c-69-181-66-7.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 11:16 -!- quitobro [quitobro@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/quitobro] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:16 -!- quitobro [quitobro@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/quitobro] has joined #lnd 11:18 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-bqzferalkinxgokk] has joined #lnd 11:18 -!- quitobro_ [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:30 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lnd 11:42 -!- wooten [a64e9ce7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.78.156.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:45 -!- ajph [~ajph@unaffiliated/ajph] has joined #lnd 11:46 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 11:50 -!- whythat [~whythat@gateway/tor-sasl/whythat] has joined #lnd 11:54 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-bqzferalkinxgokk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-hjvwjbirziavtxbg] has joined #lnd 12:04 -!- orium [~fulano@a95-94-225-61.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: orium] 12:12 < x5tevex> I am Nodejs/ReactJS developer and I played around with golang...I am trying to get on roasbeef level. whats books do I need and who I need to pay? 12:12 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 12:15 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-hjvwjbirziavtxbg] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:20 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25 -!- dougsland [douglas@nat/redhat/x-ntvdxizmivmjbxsk] has joined #lnd 12:36 < lndbot> you dont get on roasbeefs level 12:36 < lndbot> roasbeefs level gets on you 12:36 -!- epoch314 [~epoch314@blk-137-85-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #lnd 12:42 < CubicEarths> I can't get my nodes to pay each other. The are not connected directly, but both have about 8 channels to well connected nodes, some of which they share 12:43 < CubicEarths> "unable to find a path to destination" 12:43 < CubicEarths> and "unable to route payment to destination: UnknownNextPeer" 12:44 < lndbot> the balances might not be in your favor, and that information isn’t visible to you 12:44 < lndbot> does each node show up in the other node’s graphs 12:44 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:47 < CubicEarths> Yes. Actually, I was just able to make it happen! Just a lot of variables have to be just right for it work 12:48 < CubicEarths> Both nodes have inbound and outbound capacity, btw 12:54 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 12:56 < CubicEarths> I was able to make a payment in one direction, but not the other. I would think if I was (twice), able to push 200 sats from A to B, I should be able to 150 sats back. 12:56 < CubicEarths> Just a minute apart... 12:57 <@roasbeef> CubicEarths: UnknownNextPeer means the peer wasn't online in one of the prior attempted routes 13:00 < CubicEarths> roasbeef: I am continually able to pay from A to B, but not the other way. 13:01 <@roasbeef> links aren't always symmetric 13:01 -!- techjacker [05474a29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.71.74.41] has joined #lnd 13:05 < NoImNotNineVolt> so does 13:06 < NoImNotNineVolt> so, does anyone actually use ln on testnet? or are channels created by autopilot unlikely to route others' payments? 13:07 < Veggen> actually, autopilot is supposed to be more likely to be useful? 13:07 < Veggen> for routing? 13:08 < NoImNotNineVolt> well, the default implementation seems to optimize for network topology, which may not be the same as optimizing for drawing maximal traffic. 13:09 < NoImNotNineVolt> in any case, i was just wondering if testnet is even a meaningful place to evaluate channel-creation strategies, or if there was insufficient ln traffic to gather meaningful data. 13:18 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@erratics-156.dynamic.rpi.edu] has joined #lnd 13:19 -!- epoch314 [~epoch314@blk-137-85-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@erratics-156.dynamic.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 13:26 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@erratics-156.dynamic.rpi.edu] has joined #lnd 13:27 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@138.197.133.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 < CubicEarths> NoImNotNineVolt: I think mainnet is the place to be for that, if you are interested in evaluating behavior under real economic conditions 13:28 < NoImNotNineVolt> well, i figured i'd give it a test run on testnet first, before i start burning real money on tx fees. 13:28 < NoImNotNineVolt> and so far i've routed 0. 13:29 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483A685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:29 < NoImNotNineVolt> just wondering if "i'm doing it wrong" or if there really isn't many people actually using ln on testnet. 13:29 < CubicEarths> On-chain fees are exceptionally low right now, as you are probably aware 13:30 < NoImNotNineVolt> i haven't been keeping track. i'm aware that they dropped considerably since coinbase fixed whatever they were doing. 13:30 <@roasbeef> faucet has forwarded 5 htlcs today so far 13:30 <@roasbeef> it really just depends where you are 13:30 <@roasbeef> most activity on testnet is concentrated to a few nodes 13:31 < NoImNotNineVolt> indeed, 3 super high centrality nodes, all of which i have channels with... 13:31 < NoImNotNineVolt> and a handful of others as per autopilot 13:31 <@roasbeef> yeh it's testnet, right: the faucet, starblocks, and maybey'alls 13:31 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@2604:a880:cad:d0::1c:9001] has joined #lnd 13:33 < NoImNotNineVolt> so is the prevailing wisdom still "don't run on mainnet"? 13:33 < NoImNotNineVolt> how's everything since 0.4-beta release? any horror stories? :P 13:37 < CubicEarths> NoImNotNineVolt: Just don't put much money on the line... 13:39 < CubicEarths> Most channels have just a few $ worth of BTC in them 13:40 < AndyS2> NoImNotNineVolt: I think someone already tried to steal via old state. Accidently, they recovered from a backup in a way that wasn't ok or something. 13:41 < NoImNotNineVolt> interesting. 13:43 < NoImNotNineVolt> i think i still need to get a better understanding of how fees work before committing to using real money. 13:52 < CubicEarths> NoImNotNineVolt: do you have a bitcoin address you can post? 13:55 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@erratics-156.dynamic.rpi.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00 < NoImNotNineVolt> you shouldn't be offering to subsidize strangers! :P 14:02 < NoImNotNineVolt> well, the sentiment here has changed over the last two weeks, and that's enough for me to risk a bit of btc on mainnet. 14:05 < CubicEarths> It isn't a standing offer :) 14:09 < NoImNotNineVolt> i appreciate the gesture, but i'd feel doubly bad if i lost someone else's money :P 14:14 < lndbot> I wouldn’t, can I paste my address? 14:14 < lndbot> :P 14:17 <@roasbeef> NoImNotNineVolt: #craefulgang 14:17 <@roasbeef> yeh i think some noob users are getting a bit ahead of themselves and jumping straight to mainnet w/o even using testnet or simnet first 14:18 < NoImNotNineVolt> yea but there's nothing going on on testnet, kinda hard to validate anything :P 14:18 < NoImNotNineVolt> people, buy your virtual coffees, please! :P 14:18 <@roasbeef> guess it's time for you to cvreate the lightning app of the decade 14:18 <@roasbeef> lolol 14:19 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 14:22 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@erratics-156.dynamic.rpi.edu] has joined #lnd 14:24 <@mlz> i don't depends on other nodes on testnet to test, you can create a few nodes and test them 14:31 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@erratics-156.dynamic.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 14:34 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 14:37 -!- Argonath [b16034ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.96.52.171] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40 -!- techjacker 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seconds] 19:08 -!- thevertex [adefc5b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.197.184] has joined #lnd 19:08 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 19:21 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 19:21 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 19:23 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:31 -!- hobohumpn [~qxy@s91904421.blix.com] has joined #lnd 19:31 -!- thevertex [adefc5b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.197.184] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:31 < hobohumpn> does the seed also restore the channel.db ? 19:32 -!- k1234 [62dfe998@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.223.233.152] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:32 < hobohumpn> meaning can I delete .lnd and just reinstall then use the seed to get back wallet.db and channel.db? 19:43 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46 < lndbot> No. It does NOT. 19:47 <@roasbeef> hobohumpn: never delete data 19:49 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 19:50 < lndbot> Also, don't blindly restore from backups. And ESPECIALLY don't force close unless you're certain you have the latest state for the channel. 19:54 < hobohumpn> roasbeef, yeah I learned that the hard way last week. thought I had closed my channels and deleted the channel.db. POOF there disappeared 15 bucks. 19:54 < hobohumpn> roasbeef, thought maybe the funds would find there way back to my wallet. No such luck. 19:55 < hobohumpn> roasbeef, and its ALL YOUR FAULT xD 19:55 < lndbot> 1. why would you do that, generally? 19:55 < lndbot> 2. why would you do that with coins that are worth anything and not testnet coins? 19:56 < hobohumpn> 1) thought I had closed the channels. 2) I am borderline retarded 19:58 < hobohumpn> was playing around with c-lighting. That tipping thing is kinda cool. Any chance we might see something like that in lnd? 19:58 < lndbot> when we're honest with our shortcomings we can address them and compensate, I guess 19:59 < lndbot> If you make Lightning Charge work with LND, you can use all of the LApps Blockstream's put out with no change 19:59 < lndbot> I mean, it should be relatively simple middleware 20:00 < hobohumpn> I knew I would prolly lose them. Thats why I just have a few bucks in there. Moved the wallet.db and thought I had closed the channel. 1 iota of a sec latter and I got that frozen look on my face 20:01 < hobohumpn> roasbeef, what happens if the other party closes the channel even though I had deleted my db? Where do the funds go? 20:01 < hobohumpn> that train station where neo got stuck? 20:01 < lndbot> lol 20:01 < lndbot> back onchain to an address you don't control anymore, but if you use the same seed you'll eventually arrive back at that privkey 20:02 < hobohumpn> ah good to know. Thx 20:03 -!- omp_ [~daniel@47.42.232.204] has joined #lnd 20:03 < lndbot> np. consider them lost, but something you could _try_ is restore from the seed and then generate a bunch of addresses with `lncli newaddress`. I've never tried it and it might mess with other stuff so there's risk both to your previous funds and any other funds stored by that key 20:04 < lndbot> if it were me, I'd start fresh with a new seed, move all the funds I could there and then restore the old seed and start generating addresses. 20:04 < lndbot> your daemon probably won't know about the funds once it re-generates the address it used previously though, so you may have to "trick" it into re-scanning the blockchain for funds 20:04 < lightningbot1> wallet recovery is currently a WIP 20:04 < hobohumpn> Ill give it a shot. Would be kinda easy to just writing something that steps though a ton of addresses and takes a look 20:10 < lndbot> there's a tool out there to force a rescan https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcwallet/tree/master/cmd/dropwtxmgr . With the recent changes, I have no idea if it still works with the db, but at this point if you move funds off you have nothing to lose right? 20:15 -!- omp_ [~daniel@47.42.232.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:27 < lndbot> tyzbit, that doesn’t force a rescan 20:27 < lndbot> oh it doesn't? 20:27 < lndbot> that just drops your txn history 20:28 < lndbot> rescan would then require repopulating it 20:29 <@roasbeef> if you still have the waddrmgr state (set of known addresses that works0 20:29 <@roasbeef> otherwise you need to do the proper lookahead to discover which set of addresses were actually used 20:29 < lndbot> ahh, it will detect that the addrs/txns don’t align? 20:30 < lndbot> yeah if you are starting from scratch, you have to do a look ahead 20:30 < lndbot> most of that is implemented in this PR https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcwallet/pull/22 20:30 < lndbot> so if you restore from seed, generate a bunch of addresses and then drop txnhistory, could it work cap'n? does she have the power? 20:32 < lndbot> possibly, need to know roughly how many addrs you had ever generated, and do that for all possible derivation paths 20:32 < lndbot> the wallet recovery is being hooked up to lnd on this branch https://github.com/cfromknecht/lnd/tree/wallet-recovery 20:32 < lndbot> PR should be landing soon, just doing some more tests with the various backends 20:34 <@roasbeef> tyzbit yeh that would work if you spammed just enough addresses 20:35 < lndbot> an idea so crazy it just might work 20:40 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@138.197.133.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29 -!- hobohumpn [~qxy@s91904421.blix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30 -!- quitobro [quitobro@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/quitobro] has quit [Quit: quitobro] 21:33 -!- x5tevex [~x5tevex@68.170.71.83] has joined #lnd 21:46 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:52 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lnd 22:03 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 22:04 < CubicEarths> NoImNotNineVolt: How's your node coming along? 22:35 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@50.90.83.229] has joined #lnd 22:37 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #954: [mini] rpcserver: remove uneccessary signal to breacharbiter at force close (master...remove-breacharbiter-signal) https://git.io/vx2L1 23:21 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #955: [small] neutrinonotify: use epochqueue to notify block epochs (master...neutrinonotify-epoch-queue) https://git.io/vx2ts 23:37 -!- dionysus69 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69] has joined #lnd