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03:05 < waxwing> i find it interesting that by default lnd seems to be using like 0.2 sat/WU. i'm using bitcoind backend; is it using estimatesmartfee in some way?
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03:11 < waxwing> i'm getting 1.187 sat/byte from a high number of blocks on estimatesmartfee, so i guess that fits in if i divide by 4 (because 0.27 not 0.2 as i said before)
03:11 < waxwing> so i guess it's using 10 or more block estimate by default
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08:05 < Veggen> 76.184.81.28 76.184.81.28
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08:45 <@mlz> ?     
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08:56 < rompert> ipv4 mf, do you speak it?
08:57 < rompert> it belongs to matts node btw. but i have no clue whatsoever why veggen pasted it here
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09:10 <@mlz> maybe his cat did it
09:10 <@mlz> or his dog
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10:36 < Veggen> rompert: neither do I know :)
10:36 < quitobro> hey guys, anyone know of a good mainnet LN explorer?
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10:38 < rompert> @Veggen heh :)
10:39 < rompert> @quitobro i've collected some links on https://www.robtex.com/directory/lightning/visualizer/
10:39 < quitobro> @rompert thanks man
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10:48 < BB-Martino> also: https://gist.github.com/bretton/798ec38165ffabc719d91e0f4f67552d
10:49 < BB-Martino> ^ "A (mostly) visual collection of the Lightning Network" (with screenshots)
10:53 < Veggen> Q: How do you know something is successfull? A: Because that other crowd sees the need to intensify the FUD against it.
10:53 < Veggen> Congrats to E. Stark on the success, the ad hominem attacks is on the rise, and from that gang it's a compliment ;)
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10:55 < BB-Martino> Not sure what this is about, but that Q&A is something Carlos from Bitconnect could have said. There's an implication that something is FUD, which would be the main issue to investigate in any case. Ps. is there a generic lightning channel so I don't spam lnd dev?
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10:57 <@mlz> BB-Martino, you can join #lightning-dev and chat about no-lightning-dev stuff .. lol 
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10:58 < Veggen> BB-Martino: this was in response to the *pure* FUD. Like, "E. Stark must be evil because there's no other reason than being evil to dare building something like LN, that takes fees away from miners, who are the only ones supposed to earn fees".
10:58 < Veggen> Or stuff like that.
10:59 <@mlz> yea, and when we had high sky rocketed fees, they said Bitcoin Core was "unsuable" 
10:59 <@mlz> "unusable" 
10:59 < haakonn> Bitcoin*
10:59 < Veggen> I don't mind technical discussions, like discussion about the real issues with LN. They can be refuted, and if they have some merit, they can even lead to improvement.
10:59 <@mlz> whateva
11:00 <@mlz> only Bitcoin Cash is usable, yano 
11:02 <@mlz> BB-Martino, or you can join LND slack and chat with us there :D
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11:07 < Veggen> Did anyone try the tipper stuff that was announced?
11:07 < Veggen> didn't get it to work, myself..
11:07 < Veggen> http://lnd.engen.priv.no:8081/
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11:35 < waxwing> does anyone want some money? lol
11:36 < waxwing> been looking for some site apart from yalls and blockstream to test out payment. i only managed to tip that gaben.win site so far.
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11:37 <@mlz> waxwing, you can tip rompert.com too if you want to
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11:38 < waxwing> mlz, ok. but is that the same as the gaben one? istr it was
11:39 < rompert> only tip me for test reasons, gaben.win is where real tip should go
11:39 < waxwing> yeah i'm not bothered, i'd only be doing it to try different routes. if it's the same node not much point.
11:39 <@mlz> waxwing, rompert has been contributing to LND code 
11:39 < rompert> i only run a mirror. lightning tips will go to me. it's the way it works, not trying to get rich on someone elses work :)
11:42 < lndbot> <justin> Bitrefill :p
11:42 <@mlz> well you have this directory which helps:  https://www.robtex.com/directory/lightning/
11:42 < lndbot> <justin> Easiest to route :,)
11:42 < lndbot> <justin> Can create a 100 sat invoice :p
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11:42 < waxwing> justin: please, thanks
11:43 < waxwing> mlz, thanks i've been looking for something like that on and off all day, that's great
11:44 <@mlz> yea, what we need to more stores to be added to that list :D
11:45 < waxwing> lol lightning.lightning insists on my name and address to donate 1 cent :)
11:45 <@mlz> lol     
11:47 < Veggen> rompert: did you set up a tip site?
11:49 < lndbot> <justin> lnbc1u1pdtlkqlpp53aff7sex6934avkejrjkt743ftcga784k4s7vtrysrxg3lyy97hsdqvwashsamfdenscqzys3wwmzafh54vgwatsymj4cr278lxeftz0jzxkd2y9pk4k8pu0llgytsn9e2acef9psgte27akenfvs202g7cwttv0n8ak8wnta7lfsfgqajtxu4
11:49 < Veggen> oh, I see you have a tipthing down there? built don something?
11:49 < lndbot> <justin> lol maybe you prefer without that memo :P
11:49 < lndbot> <justin> lnbc1u1pdtlkzzpp5e2xve8epg43xkv8uqk57fgfxjqh7zglpuq946etfjjyp469kh4hsdqqcqzysdl0qenpeh2sakmt9uprnuqvqd3qdq5e2w4ycfc5f9xx6elpw5ack2803fk65drs68rl7u23ty5k4dyqkplgxqq6rr3rw9hescercmyqq7x7lht
11:50 < waxwing> i got unable to find route
11:51 < waxwing> i've got 2 channels, one to yalls (I think?) the other to mlz
11:51 < lndbot> <justin> odd have a channel with yalls
11:51 < lndbot> <justin> and capacity both ways I believe
11:52 < Veggen> waxwing: how large capacity are in your channels?
11:52 < waxwing> yeah something is not right, i can't pay yalls now. do they have one main node?
11:53 < waxwing> Veggen, it's like 250k/300k or so
11:53 <@mlz> maybe it's down?
11:53 < Veggen> oh, shouldn't have exhausted that yet.
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11:53 < waxwing> ah! i see "active: false" on both channels.
11:54 < Veggen> lnbc1u1pdtlk28pp54v6u6tkt7cff7axykpqw0vmy3rr56ma6u5xmgxt2s0ecdnzc3qvsdqqcqzysgeepcz356n8aexfc0svtsx0ukulsy93tlgy7mfgpmgj24hpede33gfu2l4pefqe3fr3y8ap3gesvupxgaykcgwx6pfarwl7udrgw0yspudqrq5
11:54 < waxwing> i'm wondering if a network shut down can cause that? i remember switching off my vpn then switching it on again.
11:54 < Veggen> (100 satoshi)
11:54 < waxwing> is there something someone should do in case of a network "reboot" like that?
11:54 <@mlz> ping alexbosworth 
11:54 < Veggen> waxwing: lncli listchannels, does it show channels as active?
11:54 < waxwing> as i said, it shows them as "active: false"
11:55 < Veggen> yeah, then they are not active.
11:55 < Veggen> if these are channels you created, then they should reconnect to other end.
11:55 < waxwing> this is hours after said "network reboot"
11:55 < Veggen> but you might try lncli connect <node>@ip
11:55 < waxwing> so it's not a matter of waiting
11:56 < Veggen> or, read logs?
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11:56 < Veggen> network shutdowns can cause all sorts of things :P
11:57 < waxwing> Veggen, thanks, that fixed the "active" state (lncli connect)
11:57 < Veggen> now you should be able to pay.
11:57 < waxwing> automatically reconnecting to existing channel counterparties seems like a natural thing
11:58 <@mlz> waxwing, you can add --perm to the command 'connect'
11:58 < waxwing> mlz, ah cool thx, didn't know
11:58 < waxwing> right so justin's one should be received
11:59 < waxwing> 2 hops
11:59 <@mlz> yay :D
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12:00 < waxwing> huh, this is interesting, Veggen , i'm trying your one and sendpayment is just hanging.
12:00 < waxwing> oh it worked - 4 hops!
12:01 < Veggen> I have a channel with mlz with balance. strange.
12:01 < waxwing> paid 3 whole sats in fees. roger would not approve.
12:01 < waxwing> btw lightning.lightning checkout may need some work lol
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12:16 < quitobro> waxwing: what’s your node id? i’ll open a channel with yours
12:16 < Veggen> you Same here.
12:17 < quitobro> i’m 032925faba461d86f51c2e019fce9f8929795bf974b5114a73b5c8ad263d6a2c5e
12:17 < Veggen> mm, no external ip.
12:17 < Veggen> ?     
12:17 < waxwing> quitobro, my node isn't listening
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12:17 < Veggen> ok.     
12:17 < quitobro> Veggen: mine has no external ip?
12:17 < quitobro> or waxwing's
12:18 < waxwing> Veggen, you got the payment right (it was 4 hops). not sure why you said 'strange'.
12:18 < Veggen> waxwing: should have gone through mlz directly, as we have a channel with good balance.
12:18 < waxwing> ah i see.
12:19 < Veggen> You could have paid 2 sat less :)
12:19 < waxwing> Veggen, yes it's interesting. it clearly went through yalls. but the mlz channel is marked 'active'.
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12:22 <@mlz> waxwing, oh.. you paid veggen's invoice and it went thru yalls? 
12:22 < waxwing> yes     
12:22 <@mlz> i think because your first route is via yalls 
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12:23 <@mlz> rompert has graphs for "decentralized routes" or something we can look at those graphs and find the routes, i think
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12:28 < rompert> it only shows maximum 12 paths each time though, and doesn't use the same path finding algorithm as any released software. i hope
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12:38 <@mlz> im still not sure how we can choose which path to send a ln payment
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12:53 < crocostimpy> Hi. LND noob here. I got LND running on mainnet with autopilot opening channels. I've got a webstore plugin that's asking for a Macaroon Hex. Where do I find a/the Macaroon Hex to use ?
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13:06 <@mlz> <aakselrod> the macaroon file is binary, you'll want to hex-encode it before sending it over the wire
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13:09 < crocostimpy> Ok. I need to hex-encode the readonly.macaroon file right?
13:11 < crocostimpy> Is that described here? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/macaroons.md
13:12 < crocostimpy> Under: Using Macaroons with GRPC clients
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13:12 < crocostimpy> A very simple example using curl may look something like this:  curl --insecure --header "Grpc-Metadata-macaroon: $(xxd -ps -u -c 1000  $HOME/.lnd/admin.macaroon)" https://localhost:8080/v1/getinfo
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13:26 < crocostimpy> I think this does the trick? xxd -ps -u -c 1000  $HOME/.lnd/admin.macaroon
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14:17 <@roasbeef> waxwing: it is using it, but not those like "econominc" or "conservative" modifiers, we use sat/vbyte internaly then just sat/kw within the protocol
14:19 <@roasbeef> waxwing: yeh there's only one y'alls node rn
14:19 <@roasbeef> yeh we automatically connect to em 
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15:01 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] michael1011 opened pull request #990: added conf_target and sat_per_byte to closeallchannels (master...master) https://git.io/vxKr9
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15:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 12 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxK6m
15:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master b2e1d69 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: server: don't immediately add bootstrap peer to set of persistent connections
15:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 71b8195 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: funding: remove old TODO
15:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master d34c37f Olaoluwa Osuntokun: server: when constructing peer addr's attempt to locate proper port, fallback to default port...
15:56 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #981: server+connmgr: fix issues w.r.t automatically re-establishing connections.  (master...connmgr-fixes) https://git.io/vxoSH
16:01 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vxK68
16:01 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 87333ba Matt Drollette: config: bind naked ports to localhost...
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16:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #843: lnd_test: swap connection direction of EnsureConnected (master...ensure-connected-ordering) https://git.io/vxLeM
16:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxK6g
16:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 00ed95b Johan T. Halseth: lnrpc: add remote_csv_delay to OpenChannelRequest
16:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 6f98803 Johan T. Halseth: server: add remoteCsvDelay to openChanReq
16:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 938aefb Johan T. Halseth: rpcserver: pass incoming RemoteCsvDelay to server.OpenChannel
16:06 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #876: Support space characters surrounding = in bitcoind configuration files (master...fix_autodetect_bitcoind_config) https://git.io/vxO1u
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16:10 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 1a36a2b Conner Fromknecht: Makefile: fix tab expansion and add timeout config
16:10 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 47aa56a Conner Fromknecht: make/testing_flags: adds testing flags for targeting
16:10 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master c1389a5 Conner Fromknecht: lntest: execute locally compiled binary
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17:30 -github-neutrino:#lnd- neutrino/master a6bf835 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: build: update to latest btcutil, btcd, btcwallet
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21:03 < skace> [lncli] rpc error: code = Code(185) desc = Unexpected message 32 in state OPENINGD
21:03 < skace> what would this mean when tryign to open a channel
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21:22 <@mlz> skace, is it c-lightning?
21:24 < skace> the other end? no idea
21:24 < skace> i'm lnd (hence lncli)
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