--- Day changed Tue Apr 03 2018
00:03 < BB-Martino> Did a few more tests and yes, it looks more and more like I can close channels with :0 at the end but none with :1 at the end.
00:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] bretton opened pull request #1011: Correcting install docs to add path for upgrade instructions section (master...master) https://git.io/vxPni
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00:17 < BB-Martino> How did I miss the output index param? D'oh. Sorry and thanks.
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00:23 < BB-Martino> New one (just tried to open a new channel to the node): [lncli] rpc error: code = Code(216) desc = to_self_delay 600 larger than 432
00:24 <@roasbeef> BB-Martino: csv delay disagreement
00:24 <@roasbeef> you can set that manually on the command line no w
00:24 < BB-Martino> Does that imply the node changed the requirements since I had opened the previous channel?
00:25 < BB-Martino> Or could this be a result of the recent channel closure?
00:25 <@roasbeef> nah, i guess last time you had a smaller channel or something 
00:26 < BB-Martino> which argument influences the csv delay when opening a channel?
00:27 <@roasbeef> lncli openchannel -h
00:27 <@roasbeef>    --remote_csv_delay value  (optional) the number of blocks we will require our channel counterparty to wait before accessing its funds in case of unilateral close. If this is not set, we will scale the value according to the channel siz
00:27 < BB-Martino> I did go to help immediately of course, but apparently my version is too old
00:27 < BB-Martino> I can upgrade without deleting everything this time, right?
00:28 <@roasbeef> go to help?
00:28 <@roasbeef> you just need to remove your old macaroons 
00:28 <@roasbeef> if you generated any 
00:29 <@roasbeef> otherwise some of your commands may be rejected 
00:29 < BB-Martino> Cool. Thanks.
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00:32 < BB-Martino> I notice 'dep ensure' has been removed from the install instructions. When upgrading, do I just git pull and go install now?
00:33 <@roasbeef> you can do `make` now
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00:33 < BB-Martino> ok     
00:34 <@roasbeef> and `make install`
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01:11 < Veggen> we're almost at the stage where package repositories makes sense :)
01:13 < Veggen> I do git pull, make, make install as a separate user. When I want to deploy to prod, I have a script, upgrade_lnd.sh that stops node, take the necessary backups, starts node and run lncli unlock so that I can type password.
01:13 < Veggen> 10 second downtime upgrades.
01:13 < Veggen> of course, I do this in test first :)
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01:18 < Veggen> roasbeef, idea: a passive "lnd validate" mode?
01:18 < Veggen> that just validates if channeldb is sane, etc.
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02:14 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] bretton closed pull request #1011: Correcting install docs to add path for upgrade instructions section (master...master) https://git.io/vxPni
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02:20 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] bretton opened pull request #1014: Correcting install docs to add path for upgrade instructions section (master...master) https://git.io/vxPgP
02:25 < jasonhcwong> Hi, can someone review pull request #1000 ? It is about bumping payment limit for Litecoin
02:29 < Veggen> 2018-04-03 06:49:17.670 [ERR] HSWC: unable to cancel HTLC: No HTLC with ID 2 in channel 514292:1267:0
02:30 < Veggen> oops.
02:30 < Veggen> https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-lightning-network-attacked-good/ - could it be that the small, <10k channels we are seeing *is* in fact bitpico attack?
02:31 < Veggen> Most of the TCP-misbehavior I have seen has been from such small channels.
02:31 < Veggen> it's of no importance, though. Still needs to be fixed/made more rebust/written good guides for avoiding
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03:06 < BB-Martino> I guess that was the cause for 'too many open files' thing the other day. Was duly noted, with firewall rules to enforce a maximum number of connections and a higher number of open fds.
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03:40 < Veggen> f bitpico did actually do the attacks, they did manage to highlight an area which needed robustification :)
03:46 < Veggen> Hmm. The Eclair mainnet beta should generate some amount of increeased activity, I believe...
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03:48 < Veggen> Idea: Site where you can register your node, and it will be included in a random schedule, with qR code display and all, for eclair to connect to it?
03:49 < Veggen> To avoid Eclair wallets centralizing to the same node :)
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03:51 < Veggen> Of course, if someone should register a node with no channels, it'd give someone a bad user experience...
03:53 < Veggen> maybe it'd be better with random, but with a check that it has minimum N channels with some minimum outgoing liquidity before presenting it?
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03:54 < Veggen> or, registered with the same check?
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07:26 < Bezpol> Hello girls and boys.
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07:29 < Bezpol> Do someone test our LN Bazaar - like for children system.
07:31 < Bezpol> Is somebody here ? I was a few days ago. Did something go wrong ?
07:37 < Bezpol> Is everyone building a network ? 
07:37 < Bezpol> Hmm ?
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07:49 < rompert> Bezpol: https://pinsert.pl ? is that on mainnet?
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07:51 < Bezpol> Can someone buy picture create by my daughter using LN Bazaar and lnd ? Test please. 
07:52 < Bezpol> Yes     
07:52 < Bezpol> It is on main net.
07:53 < Bezpol> This one please https://pinsert.pl/?show=produkt&produkt=5abe79bf12e5913d0ae27f0e&dostawca=5aacfba42298796968ce51f7
07:53 < Bezpol> On https://pinsert.pl/lnd you have vido how it works
07:53 < Bezpol> video
07:54 < Bezpol> Enjoy.
07:55 < Bezpol> It just run to test.
07:55 < rompert> bit busy right now, but at least i added it to my art directory https://www.robtex.com/directory/lightning/store/art/
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07:57 < Bezpol> It is not only art. You can sell there text, html, files and movies. It is not a shop it is bazaar for all which want use ln.
07:58 < Bezpol> Thenk you for add to your directory.
08:02 < Bezpol> If you want to be seller we give you a full node for under our server. Check in create offer.
08:02 < Bezpol> Is somebody from Japan here ?
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08:08 < rompert> Bezpol: ah ok. now you are also in my movies directory etc :) 
08:10 < Bezpol> Thank you. Nice.
08:11 < Bezpol> I am look at issues in lnd project. I see a few new problems. 
08:13 <@mlz> hi Bezpol , what problems?
08:15 < Bezpol> No. I haven't problem with my lnd. 
08:16 < Bezpol> mlz I have a free account for you on our bazaar.
08:17 < Bezpol> With full api and connections for your shops ( if you have any )
08:18 <@mlz> Bezpol, thank you, but i don't have anything to sell 
08:19 < Bezpol> You have ideas, codes, nice pictures from your trips etc. etc. :)))
08:20 <@mlz> this is a great idea:  https://pinsert.pl/lnd
08:20 < Bezpol> Go on https://pinsert.pl/lnd and click let's try lnd
08:20 < Bezpol> It no idea it works
08:21 < Bezpol> My last two week of hard work. 
08:25 < Bezpol> Remember to change password after go inside. ( it is maybe new idea of open account without register )  I made you one channel for our LN bazaar. Let's nice play.
08:26 <@mlz> :D     
08:26 <@mlz> I will have to ask someone if they want to sell something
08:27 < Bezpol> :))) 
08:31 < Bezpol> If mlz don't want that free account is for someone who will be the first on https://pinsert.pl/lnd ( no password need - just click button and change password in settings)
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08:41 < Bezpol> People are crazy. Just somebody send bitcoins on account ready for mlz and did not change password to account. Please change the password !!! :))))
08:45 <@mlz> oh which account is this?
08:45 < Bezpol> what one which I ask you to go inside !
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08:48 < Bezpol> We have all high protected so everything is codded in our bases but when I see people which don't change password when system ask about it and  send bitcoins on open account I don't know what think about it.
08:49 < Bezpol> I know. That is gift for mlz !!! 
08:49 < Bezpol> But not from me !
08:53 < Bezpol> And now we have a small problem. who is owner of this bitcoins ( not to much ) !!! 
08:53 < Bezpol> account is still open !
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09:01 < Bezpol> Maybe rompert send this bitcoins ? ROMPERT ?
09:02 < rompert> i did not
09:04 < Bezpol> It is small value so no problem but I don't like when money are nobody !!! 
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09:08 < Bezpol> We use new idea of create account with no register ( because in LN we don't need it ). So when somebody go on https://pinsert.pl/lnd and see that is free account simple click button 'Let's try lnd' and go inside. When only need change password. Simple. 
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09:10 < Bezpol> But if somebody go this method and don't change pasword only start testing system and send bitcoins without the first step so I must disabled all create bitcoins address and sendpayment before user change password. 
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09:13 < Bezpol> If the value of bitcoins was very high the problem is big. So happy the value is small. But it is.
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09:17 < Bezpol> Excuse my monologe here. But I have the first time situations like this. 
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10:21 < derbaus> hi guys, someone just paid an invoice I gave him about 3 days ago, expiry says 3600 when I decode t he payreq, how can that be?
10:21 < derbaus> that's the invoice lnbc5550n1pdtajlgpp5u8dmnq0n6scdddg46js3q8xatnz87catrm7prfrfhene7vmlnf0qdqqcqzysnkz66r8sqp02jajykx05yd7xvlvr5u2vpszx075mr9du8p2akwkx250gemhjspy5p6udzwwfqls2aujzdzn608rk4jjdl8kxw7p94rsprr4nem
10:28 < Bezpol> Trabbi_pG-AUSTRIA ?
10:29 < derbaus> thats me
10:31 < Bezpol> And what is your question ? 
10:31 < derbaus> Why does that invoice not expire?
10:32 < derbaus> That invoice is from 3 days ago, someone paid it 1 or 2 hours ago
10:33 < Bezpol> I see that expired. I think that sombody start  pay and was connected from net and now connect again. But I am not sure.
10:33 < Bezpol> disconnected
10:34 < derbaus> I see, when I gave it to him he said that he could not pay me, so it probably got stuck somehow, makes sense
10:34 < derbaus> Maybe with me updating to 0.4.1 it worked now
10:34 < Veggen> hmm. Still think it's bad user experience...
10:35 < Veggen> not really how things are meant to be.
10:35 < derbaus> That's true
10:35 < Bezpol> It is dangerous for person which can not pay and ask for second invoice and pay two times.
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10:36 < Veggen> worth filing an issue? have the person who paid it check his logs, etc?
10:36 < derbaus> i dont know. I think he used eclair, maybe it's more up to them to fix this?
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10:45 < Bezpol> Have you direct channel with tis person or not ?
10:48 < derbaus> no     
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10:49 < Bezpol> I just open channel with you. We will test your invocie. Try create te same value and give me now.
10:50 < Bezpol> pay_request
10:51 < derbaus> lnbc5550n1pdv80cppp57260dx3lhfnelt4ms2r0w56qh6sp05s233ukgtzsldpuc8qnstjqdqqcqzysc74ykcfnqtqlya0gg9kwzk9m5f0aad2wxt2w8zrceazelt7rvs35cujezeg96u7rnx2335jj03qg0zlm5jr5yq8ezmrs9tzvw7clchcp9tqa05
10:51 < derbaus> i didnt set expiry myself, but i think default its 3600
10:54 < Bezpol> Ok. I see. We have a hour. Can you disconnect your lnd from net for a moment (  minute ) ?
10:54 < derbaus> ok     
10:55 < Bezpol> I will try send payment. 
10:55 < derbaus> ok, im off
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10:55 < Bezpol> No I cant. System show that i cant send.
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10:56 < Bezpol> Connect with network now.
10:56 < derbaus> done
10:57 < Bezpol> I will now try again.
10:59 < Bezpol> I still can't pay !!!
10:59 < Bezpol> Wait I will try from other lnd
10:59 < derbaus> our channel is still pending though
10:59 < derbaus> but there should be a route
11:01 < Bezpol> But you have others channels in your node ( lnd ) with remote balance ?
11:01 < derbaus> yes     
11:02 < derbaus> well, actually just 1 channel with enough remote balance
11:02 < Bezpol> wait
11:09 < Bezpol> "payment_error": "IncorrectCltvExpiry(expiry=516636, update=(lnwire.ChannelUpdate) {\n Signature: (lnwire.Sig) (len=64 cap=64
11:09 < Bezpol> from another lnd ...
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11:11 < derbaus> I have the same error when I try to pay blockstream, they run c-lightning as far as I know
11:11 < derbaus> maybe some faulty node on the route?
11:12 < Bezpol> Maybe. Wait for channel between us. We then try again.
11:14 < Bezpol> When I am finding routes to you I see No errors Total time lock CLTV: 516645 but then try send payment the error.
11:17 < derbaus> I don
11:17 < derbaus> 't even know what CLTV means :|
11:18 < Bezpol> Unable to apply channel update: unable to fetch chan point for chan_id=8661204206911
11:21 <@mlz> derbaus, checklocktimeverify
11:22 <@mlz> derbaus, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki
11:22 < derbaus> thanks, will look that up
11:26 < Bezpol> nice
11:34 < Bezpol> Channel active - the same problem.
11:35 < derbaus> listchannel says "active": false,
11:35 < derbaus> on our channel
11:35 < derbaus> my other channels are true, maybe you have to connect again?
11:37 < derbaus> just got your 555 sats
11:38 < Bezpol> Yes. I connect again and no I send you your invoice. 
11:38 < Bezpol> Something is in routes. If channel direct everything ok.
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11:38 < derbaus> thats good to know, because I still have issues with blockstreams store, I want that sticker :(
11:39 < derbaus> but it does not explain the expiry thing, why my invoice didnt really expire
11:41 < derbaus> can you try this one? It's 100sat with 10sec expiry time, should be expired already - lnbc1u1pdv8j49pp5xsqrjswulgzfpg4s4j52m7dukya904ackn7pqmlqt5gy3uv3jy3sdqqcqzysxqp22zs9493cxwzkqwdyt62d3qpmcxuu93cagzlf5xsped8aqa9nmtqnpztrgh7stqqu65xhqp4uf3pxxl0xuqzejwhvgmyzlatvk5nsdzqq888k0t
11:44 < Bezpol> I use pinsert.pl so it check time of invoice. Wait a moment I must use other computer.
11:44 < derbaus> ok     
11:46 < Bezpol> It's ok. Native lnd show that invoice is expired
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11:48 < Bezpol> I think that your invoices are ok. 
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11:48 < Bezpol> But in network is one channel which has mistake.
11:48 < derbaus> good to know, thanks for checking
11:49 < Bezpol> Maybe close channels and open again ( it cost ) will solve problem. You work on bitcoind or btcd ?
11:50 < derbaus> bitcoind
11:50 < Bezpol> Like me. Which version
11:50 < derbaus> newest
11:50 < Bezpol> like me.
11:50 < derbaus> i have a pending channel with blockstream, but greedy as I am I had to pay 0,6sat/byte fee 
11:51 < derbaus> still unconfirmed ~.~
11:51 < Bezpol> Did you create new bitcoin accounts in lnd ?
11:51 <@mlz> derbaus, you can't make a direct channel to Blockstream store?
11:52 < derbaus> oh, I think I can, but its still pending because of the low fee I set
11:52 < derbaus> but I had some problems paying blockstream with my current channels, although queryroutes showed me ~10 routes to them
11:52 < derbaus> when trying to pay their invoice I always got this error "IncorrectCltvExpiry" 
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11:54 <@mlz> derbaus, are you running LND?
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11:54 < derbaus> yes, lnd and bitcoind
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11:55 < derbaus> I had this error on 0.4.0 and today after I updated to 0.4.1 aswell
11:55 < derbaus> running bitcoind 0.16.0
11:55 <@mlz> derbaus, did you change your base fee or anything?
11:55 < derbaus> no, everything is set on default
11:55 <@mlz> hm      
11:55 < derbaus> only thing I changed was sat_per_byte when opening channels
11:55 <@mlz> yea that's fine
11:57 < derbaus> hm, weird. I just checked feereport and it says "base_fee_msat": "0" on my only channel I have enough funds for the blockstream invoice
11:58 < derbaus> my other channels are at 1000, but I definitely didn't change it, wouldn't even know how
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12:11 < derbaus> can the base fee be related to that error I posted before? If I understand it correctly 0 shouldn't be worse than 1000
12:22 < Bezpol> Hmm. Can you check invoice from https://pinsert.pl ( ver. 0.4.0 ) maybe it is error with version ?
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12:35 <@mlz> derbaus, im not sure why you got that error, maybe wait for roasbeef 
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12:57 < derbaus> alright, thank you
12:58 < derbaus> Bezpol, are you running a c-lightning node on that website? I never had any problem with lnd so far
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13:01 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #1017: Contract court acting on confirmed chain events (master...contract-court-without-on-chain) https://git.io/vxX9F
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14:12 < j3bm3ch> hi there!
14:13 < j3bm3ch> what do I have to do to check that all my connected peers are behaving?
14:15 <@mlz> j3bm3ch, are you having some issue or something?
14:15 < j3bm3ch> no! just want to fund the node more and I am curious 
14:15 < j3bm3ch> btw my node's battle name is "lovestruck"
14:18 < Veggen> j3bm3ch: Check that they are behaving how?
14:19 < j3bm3ch> I understand that another node may publish an old channel state and that you would have to check that he isn't
14:20 < Veggen> LND will do that all by itself.
14:20 < Veggen> you just have to keep your LND up, and connected to a full node that is synced.
14:20 < j3bm3ch> oh wow great. so as long as the node is online, it will automatically punish dishonest channel state broadcasts?
14:20 < Veggen> yup.
14:20 < j3bm3ch> great!
14:21 < Veggen> and soon(tm), you can even outsource that job just for even more security.
14:21 < j3bm3ch> ja, I read about it. something called Jehova's witnesses or so
14:21 < Veggen> not exactly.
14:21 < j3bm3ch> :D     
14:24 < j3bm3ch> is there a test node somewhere that tries to cheat on you?
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14:25 < Veggen> don't think there is.
14:26 <@mlz> j3bm3ch, yea i saw your node's alias, love it :D
14:26 < j3bm3ch> thanks man!
14:26 <@mlz> :D     
14:27 < j3bm3ch> I'd like to open one more channel with like 3 mBTC in it. Any suggestion which one would be beneficial? or isn't there any difference
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14:28 <@mlz> you can open a channel with Veggen
14:29 < j3bm3ch> sure. what is it's URI or alias?
14:32 < Veggen> 02b7060f74b7e04d3d8af97fab20381fcc16f7a33c7e526fa5c9b96afdb288d7d2@62.16.141.195
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14:37 < j3bm3ch> do you guys limit your nodes bandwidth a bit?
14:38 < Veggen> not really.
14:38 < j3bm3ch> I want to keep mine up 24/7 but sometimes it feels a bit needy
14:40 < Veggen> as far as I know, there's going to be improvements. Reductions in bandwidth need.
14:40 < Veggen> there's a bit much broadcasting now.
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14:44 < derbaus> Thank you. Your order has been received.
14:45 < derbaus> lightning sticker is on its way 8-)
14:47 <@mlz> woohoo
14:47 < j3bm3ch> congrats, derbaus!
14:47 < j3bm3ch> opening a channel to you, Veggen
14:47 <@mlz> derbaus, did you open a direct channel to sleepyark?
14:50 < BB-Martino> my last couple of channels opened have been pending since this morning :(
14:51 < derbaus> @mlz, yes I did, took 3 hours until my 0,6sat/byte went through :D
14:51 < derbaus> with that direct channel the payment immediately worked
14:51 <@mlz> haha cool
14:52 < Veggen> mlz: j3bm3ch: So I can see.
14:53 < Veggen> I have tried having channel with blockstream twice. Both times I had them forceclosed, believe it was upon a restart both times.
14:54 < derbaus> I had a weird thing with blockstream before, but it just might have been a minor bug
14:55 < derbaus> after i paid their invoice my channel suddenly was pending again
14:55 < Veggen> pending closed?
14:55 < derbaus> i restart lnd and it was gone though, so it wasn't some major bug
14:55 < derbaus> pending open
14:55 < derbaus> it was open before, after paying it disappeared from listchannels and was pending again, no idea why
14:57 < j3bm3ch> Thank you. Your order has been received.
14:57 < j3bm3ch> 2 hops
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15:09 < j3bm3ch> Veggen: we have a channel with a whopping 500000 in it
15:13 < Veggen> :)     
15:18 < j3bm3ch> Oh, I forgot, should I update lnd now?
15:22 < Veggen> yah, I did.
15:25 < j3bm3ch> make check is running
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15:29 < j3bm3ch> I want to install a bitcoind/lnd node in the towns local hackerspace
15:30 < j3bm3ch> although most of them encrypt their mails and are rather tech savvy, most of them don't know a thing about cryptocurrency. I don't get it.
15:31 < Veggen> Lots of smart people still don't believe cryptocurrencies is worth the trouble.
15:32 < j3bm3ch> I wonder whether there is influencing going on to keep it that way
15:32 < Veggen> Honestly speaking, noone can *really* tell what the true price of a cryptocurrency should be, either.
15:32 < Veggen> Problem is, most people don't realize the same holds for gold, or even for USD.
15:32 < Veggen> :)     
15:33 < j3bm3ch> I don't care about the price. I care about a censorship resistant, trustless, decentralized way to do what cash can do.
15:33 < j3bm3ch> and cash is beeing banned in Europe step by step
15:33 < Veggen> well, yes.
15:35 < Veggen> I wish I could say that I don't care about the price, but I do to some extent. I am just not in a hurry, but I still believe it'll be worth more than now in the long run :)
15:35 < j3bm3ch> yes     
15:37 <@roasbeef> yeh the bitpico stuff was mostly like trolling 
15:37 < j3bm3ch> what I don't get, how smart people which are into crypto and technology can not be totally fascinated that we are witnessing concepts getting implemented in real life applications that were deemed of purely academic interest only a decade ago
15:39 <@roasbeef> derbaus: it'll only show zero if you modified the policy for that channel
15:42 < j3bm3ch> I'm standing in a hackerspace, surrounded by guys with long hair and all I hear is "yah, what was it... you can't download it all, because it contains cp"
15:43 < j3bm3ch> seriously, wtf!? I hoped this would be like, revenge of the nerds or something. lots of pineapple guys created. but they just don't care.
15:44 < j3bm3ch> at least is seems like that
15:45 < Veggen> night.
15:46 < j3bm3ch> sleep tight
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15:59 < derbaus> roasbeef: Could it be that just typing "lncli updatechanpolicy" without any specifics changes this to 0? I might have done that when playing around
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16:03 <@roasbeef> nah must have at least 1 arg 
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16:07 < derbaus> cant explain how that could have happened. It seems like updatechanpolicy wants all the command options
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17:13 <@mlz> derbaus, i think it does
17:13 <@mlz> derbaus, oh so you got that error because you did updatechanpolicy?
17:18 <@mlz> roasbeef, i have a channel with Vegard, someone bought stickers from BS store and my liquidy paid for the stickers, the amount will be settled in like 10 blocks, and I just found out the channel was force closed, is this how lnd handles this kind of stuff?
17:19 <@roasbeef> handles what stuff? nothing you can do if BS force closed the channel 
17:19 <@mlz> wait what, but this node of mine doesn't have a channel with BS
17:20 <@mlz> i don't think Vegard closed it, he's sleeping, and i didn't close it
17:20 <@roasbeef> who ever was on the other side force closed
17:20 <@mlz> it's Vegard
17:20 <@roasbeef> if there was a pending hltc that we need to go to chain to refund, we'll force close 
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17:21 <@mlz> that's what i'm wondering
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17:32 <@roasbeef> yeh that can happen 
17:33 <@roasbeef> if for w/e reason BS or who ever didn't setlte the HTLC, then it would just be there 
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17:46 <@mlz> yea im waiting for 4 more blocks to see where 2 of these 3 amounts go 
17:48 <@mlz> he said Blockstream didn't confirm his purchase, i figure the amount should go back to him but i'm the one that get the closing 
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18:07 <@mlz> "blocks_til_maturity": 2,
18:08 <@mlz> haven't been anxious waiting for blocks like this since segwit activation! lol
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18:34 <@mlz> blocks are up, looks like now that htlc is in stage 2
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19:15 <@roasbeef> yeh stage 2 is the csv dleay
19:15 <@roasbeef> delay*
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19:19 <@mlz> roasbeef, ok so the guy just got his coin back, but i have to wait for another 140 blocks before i get mine back
19:20 <@mlz> interesting to see how refunds play out on LN
19:20 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> so is it detrimental to force close offline channels that have no local balance?
19:21 <@mlz> tyzbit you mean a dust channel?
19:21 <@roasbeef> nah 
19:21 <@roasbeef> well no penalty to you 
19:21 <@roasbeef> you'll resolve the cahnnel immedately
19:21 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> I left it vague to try to get answers for both - yeah dust channels but also say a normal channel that just goes offline with a remote balance
19:21 <@mlz> right now if your capacity == commit fee, and you try to force close it won't work, then you can't restart lnd
19:22 <@mlz> and you have to change one line of code before you can restart lnd
19:22 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> essentially though you just force the other person to pay a higher miners fee that eats at their local balance, right?
19:22 <@roasbeef> things in place now to prevent that from happening 
19:22 <@roasbeef> tyzbit: well they're ready to pay that fee at any time since it's on the commit 
19:22 <@roasbeef> we know how to make that better in the future 
19:22 <@mlz> roasbeef, i mean if you have a channel like that before this change
19:22 <@roasbeef> s.t you only decide to pay the fee when you go to broadcast, and whoever actually wants to broadcast will pay the fee 
19:23 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> oh, so if you do a coop close, the other party gets the entirety of their balance while you decide what fee to pay
19:23 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> I mean, that makes complete sense but I never put 2 and 2 together
19:25 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> so with the saved state (like with force closes) does each party have a separate ready to go TX where they pay the fees, or is it split between the local and remote balances?
19:25 <@roasbeef> rn initiator always pays fees
19:26 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> and in the future there might be some sort of "flex fee" partition that lets you broadcast different fees even on force close according to the current mempool, right?
19:26 <@roasbeef> you'll be able to set your fees at broadcast time 
19:27 <@roasbeef> rather then guessing the fees ahead of time 
19:28 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> ah, cool
19:28 <@mlz> roasbeef, so in my case, i provided the liquidity but the guy's purchase failed, why do i have to wait another day to get my fund back?
19:28 <@roasbeef> BS or who ever didn't pull the HTLC
19:28 <@roasbeef> so it was just sitting there 
19:29 <@mlz> and that's why i have to wait another day?
19:29 <@roasbeef> yeh the contract starts ticking once the HTLC is accepted 
19:29 <@mlz> just to make sure that there's not a dispute between me and BS store?
19:30 <@roasbeef> technically there is 
19:33 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> do you know of anyone currently working on coding in support requesting and paying for Lightning invoices via HTTP? Like using HTTP 402 etc
19:33 < lndbot2> <tyzbit> I mean coding in support to HTTP daemons like apache/nginx etc
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20:05 < k1234> j3bm3ch: just added an issue on github regarding lncli lookuppaymnt <payment_hash>: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/1018. Would appreciate your comments / feedback.
20:14 <@mlz> k1234, he's not here
20:16 < k1234> ok. well, mlz: feel free to respond as well! I might give it a go tomorrow... LMK if there are particular things I should be aware of... Looks like payments are stored in a different object than invoices, so it may take more work than I originally thought... Headed to bed now. Cheers!
20:17 <@mlz> ok k1234 
20:20 < lndbot> <tyzbit> you ever had something happen where you couldn't ever even force close a channel mlz?
20:22 <@mlz> yes     
20:23 < lndbot> <tyzbit> ah, I just figured it out, I had to specify txid, force _and_ output_index for it to find the channel
20:23 < lndbot> <tyzbit> that was spoopy
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20:27 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #1019: htlcswitch: properly apply the fee constraints of the *outgoing* link when accepting HTLC's (master...proper-link-constraints) https://git.io/vx186
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20:43 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] mecampbellsoup opened pull request #1020: Add version field to GetInfo RPC endpoint (master...add-version-to-getnetworkinfo-rpc) https://git.io/vx14n
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21:22 < scottcal> hey is there a good place to read up on the wallet types p2wkh and np2wkh?
21:25 < lndbot> <tyzbit> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0142.mediawiki
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21:29 < scottcal> ty     
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22:22 < asoltys> @roasbeef just tested your link constraints branch and was able to get a payment through to yalls now. yeehaw
22:24 < asoltys> bed time for me
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