--- Day changed Sun Apr 29 2018 00:01 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483AEF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:02 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@31.6.30.188] has joined #lnd 00:23 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:36 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 01:08 -!- pokazef [~mikael@gally.nute.net] has joined #lnd 01:29 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-espdfneliwvqecse] has joined #lnd 01:52 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:54 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has joined #lnd 01:59 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 02:15 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 02:17 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:30 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-030-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:31 < Veggen> molz, I have not good results lately with mobile eclair-->LND. 02:31 < Veggen> open channel works, but lots of payment problems. 02:37 < Veggen> mmmf, couldn't pay to comment on yalls because routing fees were deemed to expensive. Exceeded 3% :) 02:37 < Veggen> a comment is 31 satoshi, so unless channel is direct, that's not ever gonna be possible :) 02:37 < Veggen> can be turned off, though, that check. 02:50 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 02:52 -!- Relaed [~yaoyuan@203-179-90-205.cust.bit-drive.ne.jp] has joined #lnd 02:54 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 03:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:08 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 03:13 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has joined #lnd 03:15 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25 -!- wampy [~wampy@gateway/tor-sasl/wampy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- wampy 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Please let me know if this is the wrong place to discuss it. 13:02 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 13:03 < dbolser> we all know about 'spam transactions', tx with small fees that can accumulate in thousands in the mempool 13:03 < dbolser> Could there be such a thing as spam lightning channels? i.e. if a motivated attacker created a huge network with some 'pathological' topology to confusing the routing algorithm? 13:04 < dbolser> Now I write this, seems more appropriate for a forum or mailing list... 13:04 < dbolser> however, I'd be intereted to get initial feedback 13:05 < dbolser> You can probably guess, I have no idea how routing works in lightning 13:06 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:07 < lndbot> I don't know. I guess if an implementation is naiive about their routing I guess they could get confused by a lot of channels but all of them already handle pruning the graph 13:07 < lndbot> plus all channels need an on-chain anchor so it's not a free attack 13:07 < lndbot> and there's minimum channel sizes, 20k I think right now with lnd 13:08 < dbolser> 20k satoshi? 13:08 < lndbot> yeah 13:09 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-trbqykydbhactixf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:09 < lndbot> I wonder if there are configurations that would confuse implementations 13:09 < lndbot> like many multiple channels between nodes or something 13:09 < dbolser> so that's about 2 dollars per channel... pretty costly to create say 1G channels 13:09 < lndbot> between the same nodes I mean 13:10 < dbolser> I guess you look at the pruning algo / network algo in use for routing and look at worst case performance 13:10 < lndbot> other attack vectors are easier, at this stage 13:10 < dbolser> i.e. is shortest / cheapest path algo worst performant on a grid netowrk or so 13:11 < dbolser> heh 13:11 < dbolser> Just creating an disconnected graph could be fun 13:11 < lndbot> there are some nodes connected on their own on the graphs I see 13:12 < dbolser> right, but it's somehow trivial to prune them 13:12 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 13:12 < dbolser> If you were rich, you could create 9k interconnected nodes disjoint from the 'real' netowrk... I imagine you could take down some nodes for a short period of time by trivially 'confusing' them 13:13 < dbolser> I suspect a fix would be easy 13:13 < lndbot> I'm really only thinking routing could get confused by edge cases 13:13 < lndbot> if there's no path, there's no path -- routing will find it or time out and then just fail 13:14 < lndbot> plus the daemon only has to traverse the graph when paying out, or when it adds nodes/edges 13:15 < lndbot> I think another similar vector is announcing fake nodes 13:15 < lndbot> but again, impls can just prune out nodes without channels (and I think lnd is on that path already) 13:16 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 < dbolser> the daemon only has to traverse the graph when paying out,? 13:20 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 13:20 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:20 < dbolser> you mean when settling? 13:20 -!- Pioklo_ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 13:21 < lndbot> when paying an invoice, I mean 13:21 < lndbot> when receiving a payment, it'll just come in on one of the nodes channel partners 13:21 -!- fusion44 [~fusion44@p5483AEF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:22 < dbolser> Now I'm thinking about applications that 'stream' money between peers, does routing have to be done every 'packet'? 13:22 < dbolser> i.e. if I'm buying a t-shirt, a few ms here or there isn't going to be a big deal 13:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 13:23 < dbolser> but if I'm watching video per second, I don't want my payments to get laggy 13:23 < lndbot> it depends on what level you chunk it, but if you have a direct channel it should be quite fast 13:24 < dbolser> I'm thinking about p2p streaming 13:25 < lndbot> it's hard to predict what actual fund streaming will look like 13:25 < dbolser> sure 13:25 < lndbot> there are things not even created yet that could drastically change the landscape 13:25 < dbolser> You almost want to find a channel once and establish it's capacity for streaming 13:25 < dbolser> finding the cheapest channel is a slightly different probelm from finding the 'fattest' channel 13:26 < lndbot> if you're going to be making many payments, at some point it behooves you to open a channel 13:26 < dbolser> I'm thinking I'd like to create some ;-P 13:26 < dbolser> but I'm a total noob tbh 13:26 < lndbot> when fees are as low as they are now, you might as well not worry about the graph and just do a direct channel to your destination 13:27 < dbolser> yeah, but that spoils the fun 13:27 < lndbot> no, that _accelerates_ the fun 13:27 < molz> dbolser, have you got a LND node set up yet? 13:27 < dbolser> depends on what you consider fun ;-) 13:27 < dbolser> molz: no, my bitcoind node is not compiled with zmq, just doing that now 13:28 < lndbot> the way I look at paying invoices through other nodes is "it's nice if it happens, and means you pay less fees, but if it doesn't work, just open a channel or make a normal BTC payment" 13:28 < molz> dbolser, ah ok 13:28 < dbolser> lndbot: that's very pragmatic, but im interested in routing and applications to show off lighning 13:29 < lndbot> I expect the channel opens or normal BTC payments to be more automatic and transparent to the user as time goes on 13:29 < dbolser> applications to show off micro-payment technology built using bitcoin... of which lightning is the only game in town I guess 13:29 < lndbot> things like push amts and sidecar channels will only strengthen the network and the UX 13:30 < dbolser> I don't know enough... I heard the term chanel factories, for example, but I just don't know 13:30 < dbolser> I should watch the BD ep on lightning 13:30 < lndbot> sounds like the part of the code responsible for opening channels, but I wonder if those actually will be a thing 13:30 < lndbot> sort of like watchtowers? 13:31 < dbolser> again, it's too early to know what will be useful 13:31 < lndbot> yep 13:31 < lndbot> for now, code/debug/test 13:32 < dbolser> I'm terrible at following through on ideas, so I may as well just share my idea... I want to integrate lightning payments into a dumb JS minsweeper game as a demonstrator for payment streaming in games. 13:32 < lndbot> at what point would invoices get paid? 13:32 < dbolser> The idea is you pay the server some satoshi to click on the board, you pay a bit more to flag a mine, and at the end of the game, you get a payout per mine 13:33 < dbolser> of course if you die, the server gets your btc 13:33 < lndbot> that sounds cool! 13:33 < dbolser> naturally it would be super cheap to play 13:33 < dbolser> :D 13:33 < dbolser> I know, I'm excited to do it 13:33 < lndbot> yeah, I think a lot of people don't get how powerful Lightning + *micro*payments are 13:33 < dbolser> packman where it costs you a penny to play but each powerpill you eat earns you satoshi... 13:34 < dbolser> a platform game where it costs you to jump, etc. etc. 13:34 < lndbot> I'm trying to put together a presentation for my company to accept LN payments per pageview in exchange for no ads+tracking 13:34 < dbolser> It washes out a bit like satoshi dice, but the idea is that you're streaming value during the game 13:35 < dbolser> tyzbit, build the plugin :-) 13:35 < lndbot> I like the micropayment+gaming ideas in general but I think the thing that'll make it have sticking power is the best players _make_ money somehow 13:35 < lndbot> smarter people than me are already working on it, I'm just learning and testing where I can 13:36 < dbolser> I figure I can take this: http://michaelbutler.github.io/minesweeper/ and shove lightning js calls in each action 13:37 < dbolser> tyzbit, yeah, that's hard... my wife and I used to play neopets, you earned pet points if you got the high score on some dumb game or other... I played for hours, but the best players had 1000x my scores 13:37 < lndbot> what about having a timer, LN payments increase the timer, at the end the number of mines = your LN payout 13:37 < dbolser> I was asking about lightning poker the other day 13:37 < dbolser> yup 13:38 < dbolser> there are many models... I guess you just need to tune it to where you're making a net profit on the server... assuming there is any traffic 13:38 < dbolser> lets set, net profit on the network (ignore server costs) 13:38 < lndbot> paying to flag mines and clicking on the board seems a little much but for testing many micropayments I'd try it out 13:38 < dbolser> yes, it's not that it's necessary, its a demonstrator 13:39 < dbolser> 'pay per action' 13:39 < lndbot> ooh, or a LN "case opening" 13:39 < lndbot> bigger invoice = better chances 13:39 < dbolser> haha 13:39 < lndbot> that's like danger levels of addictive 13:40 < dbolser> indeed 13:40 < lndbot> for now I'm making an all-in-one docker-compose to spin up a wordpress+lnd+lncli-web instance 13:40 < dbolser> I bet roger ver would vomit to think of the social harm being done 13:40 < dbolser> nice 13:40 < lndbot> oh yeah, bitcoin is totally immoral 13:41 < dbolser> I'm not saying we should do crypto-titties... I'm really not 13:41 < lndbot> _sigh_ 13:41 * dbolser hides in shame 13:41 < lndbot> it's definitely gonna be a thing 13:41 < dbolser> lol 13:42 < dbolser> molz: it's still compiling... I have to go to bed again... thanks again for help 13:42 < dbolser> night 13:42 < lndbot> night 13:54 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 13:56 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:01 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:04 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:07 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 14:07 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:10 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:15 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:19 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:24 < Veggen> I had Eclair deny a payment today because of "Excessive fee". Tried paying yalls comment, 22 satoshi...1 satoshi routing fee, that's more than Eclairs 3 percent limit ;) 14:25 < lndbot> lol 14:25 < lndbot> I wonder if 1 sat fees should be exempted 14:30 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 14:32 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:34 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:37 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:42 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 14:47 -!- arowser 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don't really do anything will quickly be routed around 14:54 <@roasbeef> dbolser: sounds cool yeh some other peeps have made some games on top of LN< but nothign super big yet 14:54 <@roasbeef> this game will be launching soonish: https://hammerco.in/ 14:54 <@roasbeef> initially just planned to accept payment for keys of the game over LN, and then also for like some in-game skins 14:54 <@roasbeef> future directions are managing the entire economy of the game in a few channels 14:55 <@roasbeef> Veggen: yeh the % limit kinda doesn't translate well when peeps are sending suuper small amts 14:57 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 14:59 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 15:01 < cybil_> so far i've only been working with simnet, but if i move to the testnet and develop does it still go as fast as it does locally? is that just lncli doing everything automatically? 15:04 <@roasbeef> lncli just issues rpc commands 15:04 <@roasbeef> lnd executes those commands 15:04 <@roasbeef> so you want to trace lnd if you wanna know what it's doing under the hood 15:10 < cybil_> can i locally just operate all the lnd commands between nodes? 15:11 < cybil_> I didn't see anything in the tutorials for it, but if there's a page about it then i'd be more than happy to go look at it. 15:11 < Veggen> roasbeef: oh, the eclair fee issue was a safety limit in eclair wallet inself. 15:11 < Veggen> possible to turn off. 15:12 < Veggen> today, Eclair has seemed to work, though. 15:16 -!- Pioklo_ [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 15:37 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the 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what you mean? or do you mean like, my own proper node on like the testnet? 17:15 < molz> testnet is good, if you set up a few nodes and send payments to each other, that's the best way to learn it 17:16 < cybil_> ah ok. thank you i will try that! 17:22 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 -!- arowser [~arowser@45.32.248.113] has joined #lnd 17:25 -!- cybil_ [84b2360a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.178.54.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:45 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd 17:46 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 17:50 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57 -!- Rooozalll [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kfaazhoebjkxjiss] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:03 -!- colatkinson 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connection] 20:44 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 21:18 -!- molz [~m@2a02:7b40:c3b5:f3c4::1] has joined #lnd 21:19 -!- molz is now known as Guest33881 21:21 -!- Guest33881 is now known as molz 21:21 -!- molz [~m@2a02:7b40:c3b5:f3c4::1] has quit [Changing host] 21:21 -!- molz [~m@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 21:21 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 21:30 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvrulmivtrwbvink] has joined #lnd 21:46 -!- cryp2nomicon [~cryp2nomi@49.145.189.67] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51 < RusAlex> Hi folks 21:51 < RusAlex> I connected to node, opened channels to node, got invoice. And then trying to pay that invoice. 21:52 < RusAlex> and my error is: unable to route payment to destination: UnknownNextPeer 21:52 -!- cryp2nomicon [~cryp2nomi@49.145.189.67] has joined #lnd 21:52 < RusAlex> but at the same time I have openned channel from my node to destination node directly. 21:53 < RusAlex> lncli decodepayreq display destination field the same that I see in `lncli listchannels` 21:53 < RusAlex> there is no any hops between my node and node that invoiced me 21:53 < RusAlex> ah.. I see flag "active": false 21:54 < RusAlex> in the channel. 21:56 < RusAlex> do not know what this mean though. channel is opened and I have local balance 22:05 < molz> RusAlex, maybe that node is offline? 22:11 -!- Giszmo [~leo@190.208.29.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15 < RusAlex> molz: "ping_time": "118807" 22:15 < RusAlex> seems os ? 22:18 < RusAlex> bytes_sent, bytes_recv numbers are changing to this node in listpeers 22:19 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 22:21 < molz> im not sure what that means? but do you see their channel as "active" in "listchannels"? 22:21 < RusAlex> no the channel is "active": false 22:21 < molz> ok that means their node is offline 22:23 < RusAlex> will wait. 22:52 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: colatkinson] 22:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 22:55 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 22:56 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:58 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has joined #lnd 22:59 < RusAlex> molz: I do not think this node is offline: 024a2e265cd66066b78a788ae615acdc84b5b0dec9efac36d7ac87513015eaf6ed 23:00 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00 < RusAlex> ok found the problem. yes they changed the IP address 23:01 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 23:02 < molz> RusAlex, ah.. that's bitrefill 23:02 < molz> they're online 23:02 < molz> RusAlex, which node were you trying to pay? 23:04 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:04 < RusAlex> I re-connected to new ip address and now it's active: true 23:10 < Veggen> what's the new ip-address? 23:11 < RusAlex> 52.16.240.222 23:13 -!- colatkinson [~colatkins@cpe-67-240-56-42.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 23:15 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 23:21 < molz> hm that's been their IP since the beta release 23:27 -!- User__ [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has joined #lnd 23:29 -!- ken2812221 [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31 < RusAlex> then I must be wrong and opened channel to correct pub key but did not connected to their node 23:36 < molz> RusAlex, sometimes after opening a channel to a node, the connection gets lost, what you can do is use '--perm' in 'lncli connect... ' 23:37 -!- User__ [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 < molz> lncli connect 024a2e265cd66066b78a788ae615acdc84b5b0dec9efac36d7ac87513015eaf6ed@52.16.240.222:9735 --perm 23:37 -!- User__ [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has joined #lnd 23:38 < RusAlex> ah permanent connection 23:38 < RusAlex> oki 23:40 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvrulmivtrwbvink] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:49 < molz> RusAlex, we can disconnect peers too 23:52 < RusAlex> but active channels must be closed first 23:52 < molz> the peers that don't have a channel with us 23:52 < molz> well i mean peers that don't have a channel with us and if they're spamming we can disconnect them 23:53 < molz> and they'll reconnect again.. lol 23:54 < RusAlex> I think I set peers limit in a config 23:58 < Veggen> yah, I noticed I was connected to them.