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08:40 < django> was thinking of updating my node. Any db braking code changes?
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08:51 < django> are any of the lightning implications testing or using AMP? Sounds like there is a lot of potential there.
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08:52 < molz> we don't have AMP yet afaik
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09:02 < RusAlex> how in future we will fund existing opened channels ? When my channel balance is all in remote state, then I need to get paid back via this channel. I can get paid from any point of LN that has route to me with enough capacity. It sounds like a business for sites like localbitcoins
09:02 < RusAlex> they might have your ln invoice from your internal balance
09:04 < RusAlex> might have/might able to pay
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09:13 < django> RusAlex, not sure I understand your question. As I now I just send funds on-chain to my lightning wallet. From there I fund my channel. In the future "splitting" should be working. Means you can send from lightning to "normal" bitcoin wallets there are not lightning.
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09:15 < fox_> Hello guys, I experienced something beautiful but weird with lnd 0.4.2 today
09:16 < fox_> after updating to 0.4.2 I suddenly had about 100.000 sat more on my wallet than before. There was no channel closed and I didn't send funds to my wallet either
09:16 < fox_> my channelbalance is the same as before
09:17 < fox_> I have no idea where that came from
09:18 < RusAlex> django: I mean a way to fund existing channel. When your balance is close to zero. "Splitting" is it only for getting funds out of existing channel or it can be also to place fund to existing channel ?
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09:29 < django> RusAlex, you can send more funds to your lightning channel by having somebody send them from inside the lightning network or but sending them to your lightning wallet from outside (on-chain) by getting a new address " lncli newaddress np2wkh " 
09:30 < django> RusAlex, Splitting means you can pay with lightning to a normal BTC address. 
09:31 < fox_> Does splitting mean sending an onchain transaction without closing the channel?
09:32 < django> fox as I understand it yes
09:33 < fox_> cool
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09:35 < RusAlex> django: thats what I say, sites like localbitcoins and regular crypto exchanges would offer a ligthning payments . and with them you can get lightning payment from your exchange balance
09:35 < django> and AMP or "Atomic Multipliable Paths" will end the issue of channels not having enough funds in the path. Your payment will take multiple paths and use the funds in all channels. So you can by a buy stuff for 1000s of bucks if you want
09:36 < fox_> Yeah I've read about that. Would that also work if you have just 1 channel wtih not enough funds, sending the same payment multiple times for the whole payment?
09:39 < django> fox I am guessing but I would think as long as that 1 channel does not act as a bottle neck. I am just speculating though.
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09:40 < fox_> We will see soon enough!
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09:50 < molz> django, i've never heard of "splitting" but i guess you mean "splicing"?
09:51 < django> molz, sry sry my bad splicing I mean!
09:51 < django> I is pee-tarded
09:51 < molz> haha np
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10:13 < molz> splicing explained: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2017-December/000865.html
10:14 < molz> but i still don't understand how it can work until it actually happens
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12:28 <@roasbeef> django: yeh no breaking changes 
12:29 <@roasbeef> molz: basically you'll have a command like `lncli splice --output_addr=<addr> --output_amt=1000` 
12:29 <@roasbeef> that'll add 1k satoshis
12:29 <@roasbeef> but then after the command retturns 
12:29 <@roasbeef> you'll be able to immedately use that channel to send btc 
12:29 <@roasbeef> similar with in, tho async in is a bit more complex 
12:30 <@roasbeef> RusAlex: either splicing ro rebalancing answers that 
12:32 < django> roasbeef, thats is as you say "dope" =P When could we expect to see something like splice'n do you think?
12:32 <@roasbeef> in the near future
12:33 <@roasbeef> so, Soon^TM 
12:33 <@roasbeef> lol     
12:33 < django> heh     
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13:24 < molz> roasbeef, that looks cool... but how can we send a partial of the fund in a channel is what i'm still clueless.. but whatever magics the devs can pull off for us.. it's great! :D
13:34 < dsai> join #bitcoin-dev
13:34 < dsai> sorry
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13:44 <@roasbeef> a partial of the funds of the funds in the channel? 
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13:47 < molz> roasbeef, yea, like for example, if someone paid you 1555555 satoshis, and now you want to send 1000000 satoshis to another wallet, isn't it a partial of the fund and how does it work if it's a htlc amount?
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14:04 < dsai> This would just change the state of your channel. Let's say you have a channel with a volume of 10'000'000 SAT. The current status is 5'000'000 SAT is on your side, 5'000'000 is on your channel-partners side. Now somebody sends you 1'555'555 SAT. So of this channel changes to 6'555'555 SAT to you, 3'444'445 to the channel-partner. Now you sent 1'000'000 SAT --> New channel status: 5'555'555 to you, 4'444'445 to your channel-partner. 
14:06 < molz> dsai, we're talking about splicing
14:07 < dsai> okay, I'll shut up, sorry
14:16 <@roasbeef> molz: huh?
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15:12 < molz> roasbeef, when you do a splice-out, do you have to send all your fund out?
15:12 <@roasbeef> no      
15:12 <@roasbeef> you can send an arbitrary amount to an address
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15:32 <@roasbeef> molz: let's say you only had one channel open, and then wanted to make an onchain payment or like a deposit somewhere, you could splice out jsut that payment amount, then keep using that channel directly after (with virtually zero waiting time) 
15:32 < molz> roasbeef, yea i get that, but what i want to know is how htlc's can work thru this..  
15:34 <@roasbeef> if you had htlcs active, they would be transferred over to the new commitment 
15:34 < molz> suppose i have a few channels, and i forwarded the money around.. so on one channel i want to spend the htlc... 
15:34 < molz> hm .. ok
15:35 <@roasbeef> this is how splice out works: we make a new funding transaction, this is where we add/remove funds from teh channel, we then create a new commitment transaction, then sign the new funding transaction, sign the new commitment, then broadcast the funding transaction 
15:35 <@roasbeef> we revoke the old commitment
15:35 <@roasbeef> so we can start updating the channel as soon as the funding transactino has been broadcast
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16:06 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] maurycy opened pull request #1308: multi: 64bit aligment of atomic vars on arm/x86-32 (master...align_atomic_words) https://git.io/vhcnn
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20:08 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #1106: multi: implement new query based channel graph synchronization (master...new-graph-sync) https://git.io/vpJoa
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20:11 <@roasbeef> new query stuff finally landed 
20:11 <@roasbeef> will be upgrading my nodes, will noly see a big diff once the wider network has updated
20:12 <@roasbeef> but those that run bleeding edge on master will be able to take advantage of
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22:08 < Veggen> hrm. my node uses more cpu after update to latest master.
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22:08 < Veggen> initial sync maybe is heavier...?
22:10 < Veggen> yah, eventually finished that.
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22:39 <@roasbeef> should be lighter, but only if the other node is also on the update 
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