--- Day changed Sun Jun 17 2018 00:09 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 00:13 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14 < asoltys_> hi i'm trying to peer with satoshis.place but the peer seems to be getting disconnected right away: https://pastebin.com/eu2rkhan can someone explain why? 00:16 < molz> asoltys_, it's a c-lightning node that's waiting for the owner to fix it 00:17 < asoltys_> molz ok cool just wanted to make sure it wasn't on my end, thanks 00:18 -!- asoltys_ is now known as asoltys 00:36 -!- bitconner [~conner@104.153.224.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 01:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 01:25 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lnd 01:28 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36 -!- k9ert [5f5ac12b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.90.193.43] has joined #lnd 01:43 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@2a01:c22:7a26:9600:c01:1a3a:3943:e3d5] has joined #lnd 01:45 < k9ert> Hi maybe someone can give me a hint what i might do wrong. I'm soing the alice-bob-docker-based tutorial here https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/tree/v0.4.2-beta/docker 01:47 < k9ert> All fine until i open the channel from alice to bob. In Alice's log i see: 01:47 < k9ert> 2018-06-17 08:30:23.450 [INF] DISC: Update announcement for short_chan_id(440904162803712), is premature: advertises height 401, only height 0 is known 01:47 < k9ert> Any hint why that might be? 01:50 < k9ert> Because at the same time: synced_to_chain is true in getinfo. 02:13 < k9ert> Also getinfo returns the right blockheight and hash: 02:13 < k9ert> "block_height": 403, "block_hash": "6d850b57bcaef7f963574b3cb5dc783d314bd09eaa8edf6a85a68d6cfad5c0ee", "synced_to_chain": true, 02:25 -!- MaxSan [~user@86.105.9.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:27 < k9ert> i just examined the logs and definitely there is something fishy on Alice's side: 02:27 < k9ert> 2018-06-17 08:30:23.418 [WRN] NTFN: Received blocks out of order: current height=0, new height=401 2018-06-17 08:30:23.418 [ERR] CRTR: out of order block: expecting height=1, got height=401 2018-06-17 08:30:23.419 [DBG] LNWL: Marking transaction 9a808c08f1c90d07dee2ef11992378d309cdca4f87e721ae3fd2cd96c3f6f870 output 0 (50.000088 BTC) spendable 2018-06-17 08:30:23.419 [DBG] LNWL: Marked address rjUuSVu4vPwX9aLDAToE8P33nbWmUhp7DV used 2018-0 02:38 < booyah> is there any LN wallet for mobile yet that can receive? 02:39 < booyah> " you got it wrong, bcash trolls should not be on LN" sure they should be, that is delliciously ironic 02:51 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 03:15 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:32 < k9ert> booyah: check Zap as it can now connect to a server. You'll never get pure mobile-lightning-wallets able to receive. 03:34 -!- Guest57496 is now known as BB-Martino 03:54 < k9ert> I guess i'm hitting something very similiar then described here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/698 When i restart lnd, i'm obeserving the very same 03:57 -!- Zouppeni [~joell@moskova.liittovaltio.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:17 -!- giorgio_ [3ed354a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.211.84.164] has joined #lnd 04:22 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:31 -!- tc [62050416@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.5.4.22] has joined #lnd 04:32 -!- tc is now known as Guest46138 04:33 -!- Guest46138 [62050416@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.5.4.22] has quit [Client Quit] 04:40 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 04:43 -!- k9ert [5f5ac12b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.90.193.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:05 -!- onryo [~onryo@c-40c5e253.501702014125-0-757473696b74.bbcust.telenor.se] has joined #lnd 05:07 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@85-118-74-103.mtel.net] has joined #lnd 05:07 < onryo> The lightning-app was broken for a while. Thinking about reinstalling it. Does it work on GNU/Linux again? 05:15 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 05:19 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:44 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p3EE2D3F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 05:44 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p3EE2D3F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 05:44 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 05:45 -!- joost_ [~joost@ip51cf95f6.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55 -!- fusion45 [~fusion44@31.6.9.47] has joined #lnd 05:57 < C-Otto> johanth: no, I can't reopen myself 06:34 < molz> onryo, no, LightningApp is still under construction, it's being overhauled 06:38 -!- MaxSan [~user@86.105.9.67] has joined #lnd 06:41 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:46 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 06:52 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@85-118-74-103.mtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:59 < molz> booyah, i'm running "bitcoin lightning wallet" on testnet, it can't receive unless it has a channel with another Eclair node, and it can't open channels to c-lightning nodes at all 07:09 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 07:12 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:13 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 07:46 -!- giorgio_ [3ed354a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.211.84.164] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:12 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 08:38 -!- JackH [~laptop@host-80-47-84-227.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:38 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 09:00 < RusAlex> as usual paid the ln invoice twice =) 09:10 < rk3y> is there any command with lncli, where I can see how many transactions my node delivered to the network? 09:11 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 09:16 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:20 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 09:25 < baryluk> lncli fwdinghistory ? 09:26 < baryluk> lncli listpayments ? 09:28 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:28 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 09:31 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:33 < rk3y> how do i read fwdinghistory? "forwarding_events": [ 09:33 < rk3y> { 09:33 < rk3y> "timestamp": "1529226874", 09:33 < rk3y> "chan_id_in": "579476712891023360", 09:33 < rk3y> "chan_id_out": "572129776027697152", 09:33 < rk3y> "amt_in": "151", 09:33 < rk3y> "amt_out": "150", 09:33 < rk3y> "fee": "1" 09:33 < rk3y> } 09:33 < rk3y> ], 09:33 < rk3y> "last_offset_index": 1 09:39 < baryluk> timestamp - unix timestamp (seconds since Unix epoch). chan_id_in where the forwarding come from. chan_id_out - where we sent it as a next hop. amt_in, how much we received from in channel, out - how much we sent out to next hop. fee - how much you earned by forwarding. 09:40 < baryluk> nodes do not know more. other details are encrypted. like origin node, last node, transaction hashes. 09:40 < baryluk> you can check channel id, in lncli listpeers probably 09:40 < baryluk> to find out which nodes you get it from and forwarded too 09:41 < baryluk> it is possible that the next node was the ultimate destination, but only maybe 1/6 of a chance for that. 10:20 < molz> baryluk, "chan_id" is in "listchannels" 10:27 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 10:32 -!- Guest84984_ is now known as weex 10:32 -!- weex [sid152634@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fzsuezpprldxkwum] has quit [Changing host] 10:32 -!- weex [sid152634@fsf/member/weex] has joined #lnd 10:36 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p3EE2D131.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 10:53 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p3EE2D131.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 10:53 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 10:57 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 11:01 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26 -!- r00000b [498351c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.131.81.192] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:36 < rk3y> thank you baryluk! 11:38 < rk3y> so the only "indicator" if my node is used frequently is lncli getinfo for peers. What about the node worthiness? Like on https://1ml.com/ where you could check the total balance of a node in btc? 11:44 < rk3y> sorry it is called "capacity" 11:45 < molz> rk3y, what's your question? 11:46 < rk3y> if this displayed capacity on 1ml.com means my balance of my node - or that is more like how many btc goes through my node 11:50 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 11:51 < molz> "capacity" is the amount you use to open a channel 11:52 < molz> once the channel is opened, you have "local_balance", "remote_balance", and "commit_fee" which are the total of the channel capacity 11:55 < rk3y> ah nice. in other words this displayed capacity on website is the sum of all my channels - ergo the total capacity of me node, correct? 11:56 < molz> im not familiar with that website, and i don't depend on explorers to tell me what i have on my node 11:57 < rk3y> i understand. how can i get the total capacity of my node with commands? 12:01 < molz> you can get channelbalance 12:01 < molz> not sure if we can get total capacity or you can write your own script to do it 12:05 < rk3y> I will thanks - this little tools helped me to understand bits: https://github.com/jb55/bcalc 12:15 -!- fusion45 [~fusion44@31.6.9.47] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:24 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 12:29 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 12:51 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lnd 13:04 -!- joost_ [~joost@ip51cf95f6.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #lnd 13:04 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 13:06 -!- biknob [550b2582@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.11.37.130] has joined #lnd 13:10 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:21 -!- biknob [550b2582@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.11.37.130] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26 -!- moriarty-- [~f964wydf@unaffiliated/moriarty] has joined #lnd 14:32 < moriarty--> are there any metrics tracking lightning transactions on a daily basis in graphical or otherwise form? 14:37 < molz> no 14:44 < moriarty--> it would be nice if Lightning can at least report aggregate statistics on transaction volume without deanonymising the transactions themselves 14:46 < moriarty--> if no one can see just how well-used Lightning is via such metrics, there is a fear that it may feedback negatively 14:47 < molz> moriarty--, stop the bs, not the channel for this 14:48 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #lnd 14:57 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 14:57 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 15:00 -!- joost_ [~joost@ip51cf95f6.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:02 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:05 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16 -!- bitconner [~conner@230.7.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lnd 15:22 -!- bitconner [~conner@230.7.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:28 <@roasbeef> rk3y: any particular q's? 15:29 <@roasbeef> rk3y: fee = amt_in - amt_out, the chan ids are the channel the htlc went through time stamp is timestamp 15:29 <@roasbeef> possibly we should also start to store the latecny from clear to settle as well 15:31 -!- marijnfs [~smuxi@2a01:c22:7a26:9600:c01:1a3a:3943:e3d5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:32 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 15:37 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 15:39 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpqjmyesfpjeissi] has joined #lnd 15:40 < rk3y> everything is now understandable to me, thanks roasbeef 15:42 <@roasbeef> ah didn't see the reply right after that lol 15:42 <@roasbeef> onryo: it's under construction rn, new version dropping soon 15:43 <@roasbeef> moriarty--: anyone can voluntarily expose metrics, but ofc it's difficult to prove that w/o also getting pair wise proofs from each link 15:44 < moriarty--> roasbeef, yeah and ZKPs are experimental at this stage 15:44 <@roasbeef> dunno what you mean by that, but you woudln't even need to really do any fancy stuff 15:45 < moriarty--> i was thinking along the lines of cryptocurrency valuation being denominated on USD transaction volume per unit time period, and if offchain transactions do not report this, then it may appear as if bitcoin's fading in popularity 15:45 <@roasbeef> why uSD? 15:45 < moriarty--> or any fiat :) 15:45 <@roasbeef> not really 15:45 < moriarty--> USD is the most commonly traded fiat pair to crypto at this juncture 15:45 <@roasbeef> whole point is that it's essentially unbounded 15:45 <@roasbeef> (transfers that is) 15:45 < moriarty--> unbounded? 15:46 <@roasbeef> if i sent you metrics of me bouncing payment between my nodes (but no true 'economic' activity) how would you filter that out? 15:46 <@roasbeef> as in there's no true limit, other than time itself 15:46 < moriarty--> yeah, all metrics have flaws, i agree, i'm not looking for a foolproof metric 15:46 < moriarty--> but is there any metric at this point? 15:47 < moriarty--> right now i'm aware of onchain transaction volume (in usd) 15:47 < moriarty--> but for offchain i don't know of any and was hoping to find some 15:47 < moriarty--> https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-10-06/bitcoin-value-metric-doesn-t-lie-but-it-can-obfuscate (for more info on how coins are valued based off transaction volume) 15:48 < moriarty--> if there are no metric, it may explain why people think bitcoin's losing popularity when folks are simply moving onto LN 15:48 <@roasbeef> dunno who's claiming it's losing popularity 15:49 < moriarty--> https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-usd - one graph indicating onchain transaction volume falling off 15:50 < moriarty--> in finance, there's a common valuation for cryptocurrencies being the price to network transaction volume ratio (NVT) which sees parallels to P/E ratio 15:50 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50 < moriarty--> so if offchain transaction volumes are not being reported, this could be underreporting and discounting the real NVT, which would appear to naive finance folks that bitcoin is losing popularity by that metric 15:50 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 15:50 < moriarty--> i.e. a bubble, and thus reduce their holdings accordingly 15:53 < moriarty--> another possible scenario is that, if you're a large retailer, usually you'd let smaller guys be the guinea pigs in trialing a new tech, to reduce rollback risk, and if there's no volume conveying that LN has transitioned from alpha to beta, this may also retard adoption 15:53 < moriarty--> metric reporting is crucial for those cynics relying on cold hard numbers to take certain business actions 15:54 < moriarty--> no one in the business world is going to give the green light to opinions, if there's no hard numbers, it's a no go 15:54 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 15:58 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:00 < moriarty--> as for bouncing payments between nodes, one way to handle that kind of spamming, is to eliminate from aggregate statistics, all transactions that took place with zero fee 16:00 < moriarty--> this would disincentivise anyone trying to manipulate figures without incurring real costs to themselves 16:01 < moriarty--> i'm of course curious is such things are done for onchain transaction reporting :) but that's for another day 16:01 < moriarty--> s/is/if 16:09 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:09 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 16:10 -!- bitconner [~conner@230.7.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lnd 16:11 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 16:12 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 -!- bitconner [~conner@230.7.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 16:44 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:53 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 16:57 -!- skr [b75a4413@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.90.68.19] has joined #lnd 16:57 -!- skr is now known as Guest98835 17:08 < Guest98835> hello 17:16 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 17:34 -!- moriarty-- [~f964wydf@unaffiliated/moriarty] has left #lnd [] 17:37 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:38 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 17:39 < lndbot2> Is the DNS seed broken? 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Like one of my channels in `lncli listchannels` has 17 pending htlcs 22:57 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 23:08 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 23:28 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:33 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has joined #lnd 23:38 -!- jcsmesquita [~jcsmesqui@88.98.213.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 23:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]