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I have a question about this issue: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/291 I thought a lot about it and now started to implement an account store that will be a separate bucket in the macaroon.db. But I have a few general questions: Do you think you should only get an off-chain balance macaroon if you open a channel? Or wouldn't it be better if the balance you got in your macaroon was independent of any channels? Because if you thin 09:25 < lndbot> where I want to give an external application or third party a budget to spend on my behalf, I don't care which channels they are going to use to pay invoices. Or am I missing something? I thought I'd start with a simple CreateMacaroonBalance RPC command that bakes a new macaroon and a caveat checker that checks your balance in the PayInvoice or SendPayment commands. 09:30 -!- kemyd_ [dawid@136.243.148.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:31 -!- kemyd_ [dawid@136.243.148.21] has joined #lnd 09:47 <@roasbeef> raucao: nope, try to loook for the channel point in the logs 09:48 <@roasbeef> gugger: imo should be independant of any channel (initially) tho in the future, one could craft macaoons that bind to channels 09:48 <@roasbeef> i say independent of channels, as post-amp most payments will likely use several channels 09:48 <@roasbeef> similar w/ recv 09:48 <@roasbeef> yeh agreed on granting 3rd party access w/o care as to which channel is used 09:50 < lndbot> ok, cool! I'll create a working initial version and then add it as a [WIP] PR. 09:54 < lndbot> Do you have any input on naming things? I started with the data structure today and just called it an `Account` or `OffChainBalanceAccount`. Alex talked about `MacaroonBalance` in his issue, but I think account would be quite fitting. What do you think? Here's the first commit if you're interested: https://github.com/guggero/lnd/commit/d19d2b22667f965fdb7aee0b2a93c13dec8347cd 09:56 < lndbot> Asking early so I don't have to refactor everything in the end ,:) 10:00 -!- jungly [~quassel@host97-200-static.8-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-72-54-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:14 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@109.160.62.107] has joined #lnd 10:16 -!- kemyd_ [dawid@136.243.148.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23 -!- kemyd_ [dawid@136.243.148.21] has joined #lnd 10:24 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@185.104.184.187] has joined #lnd 10:36 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-naccicjxpedzsiva] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:37 -!- Empact [~textual@pool-96-239-116-24.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 10:37 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lnd 10:42 -!- Empact [~textual@pool-96-239-116-24.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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nodes set the fees, and do they know that they are routing AMP? 23:30 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:31 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 23:32 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@109.160.62.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:34 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lnd 23:36 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:38 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:47 < AndyS2> Veggen: maybe they want less fee because the channels will become less unbalanced when the amounts are smaller. if I routed channels, I'd ask for lower fees for things that re-balance my channel or that only slightly push it into one direction than for things that basically make my channel unusable for further fund transfers into one direction 23:48 < AndyS2> (so no need to know that something is AMP. and even if they did, why should they change the fee requirements? The only sensible thing is to go by effects that matter to the node runner, such as channel balancing) 23:51 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@142.162.42.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 23:51 -!- ctrlbreak [~ctrlbreak@142.162.42.47] has joined #lnd 23:53 -!- pcre [~quassel@p5495B0C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 23:54 -!- Deadhand [~deadhand@kntaon1614w-lp140-02-70-51-86-166.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:55 -!- Deadhand [~deadhand@kntaon1614w-lp140-02-70-51-86-166.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lnd 23:58 < Veggen> AndyS2: Which means that with current fee structure,m the only sensible thing to do would be to first try sending the whole amount, and splitting it up only if that one fails. 23:59 < Veggen> (if you want to minimize fees paid)