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06:45 < molz> save your seed words and password 06:45 < lndtester11> is it as simple as that? 06:45 < molz> (if you created them) 06:45 < lndtester11> no need to back up database files etc/ 06:46 < molz> currently there's no way to use a backup without hurting yourself other than using the seed words 06:46 < lndtester11> so when restoring with seed and encryption password there is no risk of broadcasting an old state? 06:47 < molz> when you restoring a node with the seed words you only restore the coins in wallet.db but not in channels 06:47 < lndtester11> oh i see 06:47 < lndtester11> so what happens to channels that werent closed? 06:47 < Veggen> I'd back up database files too.7 06:48 < Veggen> if node/disk crashes, using them might be better than not doing so :) even if you risk giving away all your channel balances. 06:49 < lndtester11> got a node set up in a VM which will be backed up daily. but if a channel update happens after a backup and then for some reason my node dies and i need to recover 06:49 < Veggen> but restoring them *is* unsafe and considered last ditch effort :) 06:49 < lndtester11> ok thanks, thats what i thought 06:49 < molz> i backup the whole .lnd directory before i do an update just in case the update can go wrong, but after i restart the node and make a payment or create a channel, that backup is no good 06:49 < Veggen> currently can't be done, really. 06:49 < lndtester11> was hoping some progress had been made on backing up channels safely 06:50 < lndtester11> need eltoo for that i guess 06:50 < lndtester11> seems inherently a difficult problem 06:50 < molz> some progress is being worked on every single day 06:50 < lndtester11> yes i understand that, i am patient 06:51 < lndtester11> i going to set up a mainnet node with a few hundred dollars on it anyway to add liquidity 06:51 < lndtester11> my server is on 24/7 anyway 06:51 < lndtester11> just trying to follow best practices, whatever they are at the moment 06:52 < lndtester11> there needs to be a service that matches people for dual funding until it is implemented 06:52 < molz> why there needs to be that service? 06:53 < lndtester11> because of channel asymmetry 06:53 < lndtester11> if you are just looking to provide liquidity to the network 06:53 < molz> im still not sure if it can provide liquidity 06:53 < lndtester11> care to explain why not? 06:54 < molz> currently the best liquidity is when people are active in participating by buying and spending and selling 06:54 < lndtester11> if i open multiple channels and people open a recipricol channel, it should help 06:54 < molz> but if you get on lightning and just park your money it's not going to help anything 06:54 < lndtester11> i disagree, it will help with routing 06:54 < molz> lndtester11, no, you need to see how ln works 06:54 < lndtester11> unless i am misunderstanding something here 06:54 < molz> it doesn't work when there's no selling or buying 06:55 < molz> ln is to solve micropayments, but nobody is doing micropayments, it doesn't solve anything 06:55 < lndtester11> its a chicken and egg problem 06:55 < molz> and ln is not some pos coin that believes in pos system 06:55 < Veggen> agreed, running a node in itself doesn't help anything. I think "routing only" nodes will not be a thing. 06:55 < lndtester11> hence why i want to help by providing liquidity by opening multiple recipricol channels 06:56 < molz> i don't think "reciprocal channels" is written in the protocol or ln concepts 06:56 < lndtester11> dual funding 06:57 < Veggen> people will connect to nodes they have a need to pay. 06:57 < lndtester11> you have to do it manually now 06:57 < molz> yea dual funding has some difficulty, roasbeef talked about it on slack yesterday 06:57 < Veggen> if you do have lots of outgoing liquidity, though, people might decide to choose to connect to you. 06:58 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 06:58 < lndtester11> yes but they will not be able to receive payments from me unless they push some amount or its dual funded 06:59 < lndtester11> i should say receive payments through me 06:59 < Veggen> https://lightningconductor.net/ 06:59 < lndtester11> yes i know about that one but it's just one 07:02 < lndtester11> bed time, good night :) 07:02 -!- lndtester11 [~Beast@59.6.64.209] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:06 < molz> i still don't see how dual funded makes someone to be able to receive payments from him 07:06 < molz> right now i don't have a channel with some nodes and don't have 'dual funing' or 'reciprocal blahblah' but i still can receive payments from someone 07:07 < molz> not how to explain this to these people 07:07 < molz> not knowing* 07:49 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@178.115.130.14.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lnd 08:14 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:22 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 08:43 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 08:50 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 08:54 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lnd 09:19 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:25 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:49 -!- LolExplorer [4d38242c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.56.36.44] has joined #lnd 09:51 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 09:53 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] plantOS closed pull request #1519: Updated lnd instructions to run via tor (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fNvCs 09:55 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:59 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 10:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:07 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 10:21 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 10:22 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:35 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 10:36 -!- richard87 [~richard87@237.92-221-98.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lnd 12:13 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 12:22 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 12:25 -!- Luzer [~AR@162-204-57-190.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 12:36 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 12:42 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 13:02 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 13:59 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 14:26 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 14:52 -!- schmidty [~schmidty@unaffiliated/schmidty] has joined #lnd 15:04 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13 -!- schmidty [~schmidty@unaffiliated/schmidty] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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