--- Day changed Sun Jul 22 2018 00:02 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 00:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@ip-91.246.67.215.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 00:39 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 00:43 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:44 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 00:57 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 01:00 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 01:00 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:21 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 01:26 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] 34ro opened pull request #1601: recreate rpc.pb.go rpc.pb.gw.go rpc.swagger.json (master...recreate-rpc-files) https://git.io/fNlTJ 01:42 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 01:47 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54 -!- scalability-junk [sid6422@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udvumlhyyutubcle] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54 -!- scalability-junk [sid6422@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjdtnyswiknvpqdn] has joined #lnd 01:55 < bobazY> I am looking for instructions after I installed and got lnd working (on bitcoind) :) 01:55 < bobazY> the github has the install page, now I need a set-up-your-lnd-node page. Like what ports to open. And how to fill my node, and how to name my node. 02:02 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 02:04 < bobazY> okay I found out I need to open port 9735 and how to set my alias, maybe that would fit in the wiki :) 02:07 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:12 -!- seaelem [~seaelem@211.28.56.191] has joined #lnd 02:13 -!- seaelem [~seaelem@211.28.56.191] has quit [Client Quit] 02:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 02:28 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:36 < bobazY> yay I now have a node with balance :) 02:40 -!- bitzorro [5817d246@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.23.210.70] has joined #lnd 02:41 -!- bitzorro [5817d246@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.23.210.70] has quit [Client Quit] 03:00 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 03:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 03:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:02 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 04:04 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:24 -!- meshcollider_ [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bkaacjniqgmgdrtq] has joined #lnd 04:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 05:05 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 05:25 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@ip-91.246.67.215.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:47 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 05:59 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 06:03 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 06:04 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:05 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 06:09 < molz> bobazY, there's a sample site for lnd.conf: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/sample-lnd.conf 06:29 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:33 -!- meshcollider_ [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bkaacjniqgmgdrtq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:35 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 06:40 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 07:03 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:20 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 07:36 < bobazY> thanks molz ! 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I've been shutting it down and restarting, but that seems to have left one of my channels in a permanent 'pending' state. is there a better way? 16:28 < GetCrazy> isn't there a way to safe your channel states before restarting 16:30 < molz> bob333, in what "pending state" ? 16:33 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.55.147.60] has quit [Quit: qubenix] 16:33 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.55.147.60] has joined #lnd 16:56 < bob333> molz: lnd tried to spend the same utxo to fund two different channels. only one of the transactions confirmed and the other one seems to be permanently stuck 16:57 < bob333> it turns out I restarted lnd after it had spent the utxo the first time, but before that tx had confirmed - restarting maybe made it forget that that txo was no longer unspent 16:57 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 16:57 < molz> bob333, i've changed lnd.conf hundred times, not sure what issue you have but i doubt it's just because you changed your lnd.conf 16:58 < bob333> molz: I don't think it's because I changed lnd.conf 16:58 < bob333> maybe re-read my question 16:58 < molz> ok im confused now 16:58 < bob333> when you edit lnd.conf, does lnd notice the changes immediately? 16:58 < molz> no 16:58 < molz> the change doesn't take effect until you restart lnd 16:59 < molz> lnd reads lnd.conf once 16:59 < molz> after that you can delete lnd.conf literally 16:59 < bob333> that's what I guessed. so what's the best way of having the changes take effect - maybe there's a "lncli reloadconfig" or something 16:59 < molz> depends on what you want to change 17:00 < bob333> I've been trying to limit the number of times I restart lnd, since the last time I restarted it, it tried to double-spend from its wallet 17:00 < molz> i have no clue what you're saying 17:01 < bob333> which part don't you understand? 17:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:02 < molz> your last sentence 17:02 < bob333> last time I restarted lnd, it behaved badly 17:02 -!- sneakerhax [~sneakers@unaffiliated/sneakerhead] has joined #lnd 17:03 < bob333> the bad behavior involved it attempting to double-spend a utxo that it had already spent shortly before the restart 17:03 < bob333> I'm guessing it "forgot" that it had spent it 17:03 < molz> sounds like you have a virus 17:03 < bob333> [I broke the sentence into 3 sentences - which of the 3 is hard to follow?] 17:03 < bob333> a virus? 17:04 < bob333> that targets lnd? 17:04 < bob333> seems unlikely to me 17:04 < molz> then what do you mean "it tried to double-spend from its wallet"? 17:05 < bob333> are you familiar with the concept of double-spending? 17:05 < molz> yes, i've had that done many times 17:06 < bob333> and you know that lnd has its own built-in wallet? 17:07 < molz> is it new to you? 17:07 < bob333> no 17:07 < bob333> I'm trying to understand how you didn't know what "double-spend from its wallet" meant 17:09 < molz> bob333, right, how can your wallet suddenly do a double spend on its wallet? 17:10 < bob333> molz: I'm not saying my wallet did it. I'm saying lnd did 17:10 < molz> How??? 17:10 < bob333> it tried to spend the same utxo to open two different channels 17:11 < molz> do you have autopilot on? 17:11 < bob333> how? by spending it once, then trying to spend the same one again 17:11 < bob333> I don't at the moment, but I did at the time 17:12 < molz> so are you saying autopilot tried to do this? 17:13 < bob333> I don't know much about the components on lnd and how they interact. I would guess that autopilot isn't responsible for coin selection 17:13 < bob333> but whatever component is responsible for selecting which utxos to spend has a bug which sometimes makes it spend the same one twice 17:13 < bob333> the bug seems to be triggered if you restart lnd at the wrong time 17:14 < bob333> see #1494 17:14 < bob333> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/1494 17:14 < molz> it tried to spend the same utxo to open two different channels <-- Did you have autopilot on when this was happening? 17:15 < bob333> [...]I did at the time 17:16 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@66.55.147.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 17:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 17:21 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:23 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:23 -!- GetCrazy [040ff533@gateway/web/freenode/ip.4.15.245.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:29 <@roasbeef> molz: all it does is open channels...it's typically never the cause of the bug, there's something deeper 17:29 <@roasbeef> bob333: you gotta restart for the changes to be in effect 17:30 <@roasbeef> there's no virus lol 17:30 < bob333> :) 17:30 < bob333> I commented on that issue like you asked. let me know if you need more info 17:30 < molz> roasbeef, but the way he described it, it sounds like a virus lol :P 17:31 < bob333> it sounds like a bug to me. I never considered it was malware 17:39 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 17:43 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:46 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 17:54 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:56 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 17:59 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 18:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:11 -!- jpe_ [~jpe@200116b8420fc3004c35767b739c9fcd.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #lnd 18:12 -!- jpe__ [~jpe@200116b8429b9400ddada7ff2d61e4f5.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13 < bob333> is there a need to make periodical backups of lnd data, or are the 24 words enough to recover? 18:14 -!- sneakerhax [~sneakers@unaffiliated/sneakerhead] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:14 < bob333> "lncli help | grep backup" shows nothing 18:14 < molz> because backup isn't helpful 18:15 < molz> if you use an old backup, you're running and old state and you'll lose your coins to the other partners 18:15 < molz> s/and/an/ 18:16 < molz> the seed can restore lnd wallet but not channels, channel recovery is still in the work 18:18 < bob333> if the seed can't restore channels I'd think backups were essential rather than "not helpful" 18:18 < bob333> or why do you think it's not helpful to make backups? 18:18 < molz> ok pal, go ahead and do it 18:18 < molz> and before you do it, please open a channel to my node 18:19 < bob333> I asked a question 18:19 < bob333> why are you so confrontational? 18:19 < molz> i already said it 18:20 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 18:25 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:31 -!- camulos [~user@125.161.128.242] has joined #lnd 18:32 < molz> it's because a lightning node is live and constantly in a dynamic changing condition, it's not like a bitcoin wallet 18:33 < molz> if you do a backup of your channel state now, it can be changed a minute later, and what you have is an old state, if you run an old state, which cheaters would try to do to reverse their funds, you can't 18:34 < molz> we had someone on lnd slack that did this 18:34 < molz> not on purpose but because something was wrong with his node, he decided to run his backup 18:44 <@roasbeef> bob333: there's a PR open that implements 1/2 of waht's needed for a backup scheme: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/1364 18:44 <@roasbeef> second half if being able to export a set of static channel description for each channel 18:45 <@roasbeef> so then with your seed + the set of channel backups, you'll be able to get all your on chain funds, and eventually the funds in channels as well, but only those funds not in HTLCs at the time of partial data loss 18:56 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 19:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:02 < bob333> that's cool. what would you recommend until then? 19:10 <@roasbeef> tread lightly ;) 19:15 < bob333> ha 19:15 < bob333> too late 19:17 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 19:22 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:38 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 19:43 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:52 -!- camulos [~user@125.161.128.242] has left #lnd [] 19:59 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 20:04 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:14 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 20:17 -!- ken2812221 [~User@180.217.176.87] has joined #lnd 20:20 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 20:22 -!- ken2812221 [~User@180.217.176.87] has left #lnd [] 20:25 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:26 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 20:31 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:43 -!- ken2812221 [~User@180.217.160.31] has joined #lnd 20:47 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 20:52 -!- ken2812221 [~User@180.217.160.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52 -!- ken2812221 [~User@180.217.160.31] has joined #lnd 20:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:58 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:08 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 21:13 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:29 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 21:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:50 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 21:53 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:54 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lnd 22:09 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 22:11 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 22:16 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:21 < bobazY> Morning all! My lnd node seems happy. I run it with --autopilot.active --autopilot.allocation=0.9 , as I understand that should automagically open channels? But I still have my 2 channels. Balances say: channelbalance: "balance": "9817","pending_open_balance": "1366909" || walletbalance: "total_balance": "187149", "confirmed_balance": "187149", "unconfirmed_balance": "0" 22:31 < bob333> bobazY: do you see anything with "ATPL:" in the lnd logs? 22:32 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 22:33 < bob333> ie. grep ATPL ~/.lnd/logs/bitcoin/mainnet/lnd.log 22:34 < bob333> I don't know if "--autopilot.active" is enough, or if you need to add =1 to it. I use "autopilot.active=1" in my ~/.lnd/lnd.conf and that works for me 22:35 < bobazY> bob333: https://hastebin.com/dovivosiva.txt 22:35 < bobazY> that total_funds=-0.02734796 BTC does not look good 22:36 < bobazY> I don't fully inderstand balances I think, my walletbalance says ""confirmed_balance": "187149"" 22:36 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37 < bob333> I think I saw a negative total funds at first too 22:38 < bob333> I did: "Triggering attachment directive dispatch, total_funds=-0.16777368 BTC" 22:38 < bobazY> but at your side it works now? :) 22:38 < bob333> then in the same millisecond: "ATPL: Triggering attachment directive dispatch, total_funds=-0.33554736 BTC" 22:39 < bob333> I think I had to wait for the last channel I had funded to get 6 (or 3?) confirmations on its funding tx 22:39 < bobazY> pretty sure I have that # of confirmations 22:39 < bob333> because I only had a single utxo in my lightning wallet. making multiple smaller deposits made things work better 22:40 < bobazY> same here, that might be it, so deposit to multiple addrs? 22:41 < bob333> I ran a bunch of 'newaddress' calls, and sent to each of the addresses it gave me, all in 1 transaction 22:43 < bob333> re-reading the logs here, it looks like I only had to wait for the funding tx to get a single confirmation before the autopilot woke up and made another channel 22:44 < bobazY> well the funding tx was 1.5d ago so that should have gone through by now 22:44 < Veggen> a single confirmation makes the change go back to you. So autopilot will have funds to create channels with. 22:44 < bobazY> ah cool, I'll try with 1 new tx then 22:47 < bob333> from the logs it looks like the autopilot has been stuck for 14 hours... he's not waiting for a confirmation :) 22:47 < bob333> did you check to see if it confirmed? 22:47 < bobazY> [ lncli listchaintxns ] gives me num_confirmations all over 100 (3TX in total) 22:48 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 22:50 < bob333> did you try [ lncli stop ] and restarting it? 22:51 < bobazY> sending a new tx worked :) https://hastebin.com/yidazojuca.txt 22:51 < bobazY> I just need some connections now I think :) 22:52 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 22:53 < bobazY> I got 2 pending channels :) 22:54 < bob333> they stay pending until the funding tx gets enough confirmations 22:54 < bobazY> yeah cool. If more ppl want to PM me their pubkeys I can connect :) 22:58 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:05 < bobazY> I would like to fund my node using lighting paymets, would that work? up until now I did it via an on-chain transfer. Not sure if my thinking is correct here but that should work right? 23:13 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 23:18 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:19 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 23:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 23:38 -!- Akihabara [Akihabara@static.163.101.201.195.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:55 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd