--- Day changed Mon Jul 23 2018 00:30 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 00:47 -!- ken2812221 [~User@180.217.160.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:06 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@ip-91.246.67.215.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 02:02 < molz> bobazY, is your node stable? 02:04 < bobazY> so far it is haha, only had it for a few days 02:04 < bobazY> my tor node has 500+d uptime 02:04 < molz> bobazY, ah that's good 02:04 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 02:04 < molz> also are you planning to spend some or you just want to open channels to park money there? 02:05 < bobazY> once I can, I will haha 02:06 < molz> most people opened channels to my node just to park their coins, that doesn't help the network much so i'm looking for people who are on LN because they want to help routing payments, just parking coins doesn't do it 02:07 < bobazY> please explain the difference, I put some BTC on my node, opened 6+ channels, now I need to do more? 02:07 < molz> and so many of the channels become inactive so i closed their channels 02:07 < molz> no you don't need to open too many channels 02:08 < bobazY> no I think it is OK like this :) 02:08 < molz> Lightning Network is to solve micro payments, if you don't plan to buy anything on LN, your money is on your side only, you won't help to route other people's payments 02:09 < bobazY> well there are not a lot of options yet to pay with LN... 02:09 < molz> I understand that, but if nobody wants to buy anything why would any merchants want to be on LN 02:14 < bobazY> I hope bitpay will start supporting LN 02:14 < bobazY> most of my bitcoin payments go through bitpay 02:17 < bobazY> starblocks is testnet I think, what services exist on mainnet? For testing payments? 02:17 < bobazY> My mobile client has 1 channel, to my server (lnd node), I should be able to make (test) payments from mobile now :) 02:17 < Veggen> I think bitpay is slightly in the BCH camp. 02:18 < bobazY> oh :( 02:18 < Veggen> They added a fishy "network fee" for BTC, that was not there for BCH. 02:18 < bobazY> that is annoying 02:18 < Veggen> and it was not a Bitcoin fee. 02:21 < Veggen> bobaz: moneni.com, lightningspin.com, among other. See htts://lightningnetworkstores.com/ 02:21 < Veggen> there are some. 02:22 < Veggen> http://lightningnetworkstores.com/ 02:22 < bobazY> thanks! 02:23 < Veggen> I have bought real coffee with LN. And there is even a 2nd coffee place, now, I believe. 02:24 < Veggen> Watchtowers (so that you can receive on Eclair, and we get a mobile LND), plus AMP, will help a lot for user experience, which will again drive merchant adoption. 02:25 < Veggen> and we gotta iron out all these annoying interoperability issues. 02:25 < bobazY> can I become a watchtower? where do I find info on it? 02:25 < Veggen> molz, how are your c-lightning/lnd channels holding up? I haven't started doing them again :) 02:25 < bobazY> Was really surprised by the quality of the software, verg good yet 02:26 < molz> Veggen, it closed my lnd channel lol 02:26 < Veggen> bobazy: watchtowers aren't finished, but there is a lot of bits and pieces of the needed functionality added nowadays. 02:26 < molz> Veggen, and sleepyark closed my channel on c-lightning 02:26 < bobazY> ack 02:27 < Veggen> ut once it's done, you can becomne one. 02:27 < Veggen> I see no reason why I shouldn't run a watchtower. 02:29 < bobazY> I just did my first "real" lightning payment! Android Eclair -> My lnd node -> bitrefill :) 02:31 -!- patrickchugh [~patrickch@2404:c806:2689:ce00:e431:5ead:4e14:159d] has joined #lnd 02:31 -!- neogeno [74304126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.116.48.65.38] has joined #lnd 02:32 < molz> bobazY, that's good 02:32 < molz> bobazY, and no problem? it didn't hang for a few seconds? 02:33 < Veggen> eclair lies a lot about being ready :) 02:33 < Veggen> happens frequently thfirst payment adfter starting eclair takes seeveral minutes. 02:33 -!- patrickchugh [~patrickch@2404:c806:2689:ce00:e431:5ead:4e14:159d] has quit [Client Quit] 02:33 < bobazY> It did hang. It also crashed the first time. But now it works :) 02:33 -!- neogeno [74304126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.116.48.65.38] has left #lnd [] 02:33 < Veggen> next one is usually quick, though. 02:34 < bobazY> maybe finding a path was too hard for my phone I was thinking 02:34 < molz> yeap 02:34 < bobazY> will a watchtower calc the route in the future? 02:34 < bobazY> or is that also at the endpoint? 02:34 < molz> we have sendtoroute 02:34 -!- patrickchugh [~patrickch@n1164865038.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 02:35 < Veggen> watchtowers have no role in calculating routes. 02:35 < molz> that can help but i've played with it only one time and probably i didn't do it right, it didn't work 02:35 < Veggen> molz: i have used it successfully, but not for sending to myself. 02:35 < molz> yea i was trying to send to myself 02:36 -!- patrickchugh [~patrickch@n1164865038.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40 < molz> one of Eclair devs just told me on their forum: "0.3.5 mainnet will come soon!" 02:40 < molz> i have 0.3.5 on testnet 02:41 < bobazY> is eclair on freenode as well? 02:44 < Veggen> bobazy: "Bitcoin Lightning Wallet" offsources some of the route calculation to their "Olympus" servers, I think. 02:44 -!- Guest79 [~textual@n1164865038.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 02:45 < Veggen> I think for mobile wallets, we will see some route calculation offsourcing. 02:45 -!- Guest79 [~textual@n1164865038.netvigator.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:46 < molz> Veggen, it seems you have to pay a fee to Olympus every 50 txs or something? 02:47 < Veggen> mmm, not sure it's every 50 tx. 02:47 < molz> bobazY, no, eclair forum is here: https://gitter.im/ACINQ/eclair 02:47 < Veggen> but fee is rather low anyhow. 02:47 < molz> yea the fee is 1000 sat on testnet, not sure on mainnet 02:48 < bobazY> https://irc.gitter.im/ yay 02:48 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:49 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 02:49 -!- neogeno [~textual@2404:c806:2689:ce00:e431:5ead:4e14:159d] has joined #lnd 02:50 < Veggen> 1000 on mainnet too. 02:51 < Veggen> but I thought you didn't use 20 of them per tx? 02:51 < Veggen> might be wrong, though. 02:56 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-178-173-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:57 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-170-057-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 03:03 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 03:08 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:10 -!- ken2812221 [~User@1.200.201.180] has joined #lnd 03:14 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 03:30 < molz> Veggen, forgot to tell you something funny about my c-lightning node 03:31 < molz> truevision.club opened a channel to the node, got closed 5 days later, then within hours it opened another channel with a tripple funding amount, got closed within 6 hours... lol 03:32 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:33 < molz> Veggen, omg.. lol I'm checking my c-lightning node, TrueVision.club opened another to it again .. lmao 03:37 < bobazY> wow Lightning works super good :). Very impressed. Bought a tshirt, did a roulette thing, bought reddit gold. Easy peasy! 03:37 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:39 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 03:43 < molz> reddit gold is on LN? 03:44 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:44 < bobazY> via https://www.bitrefill.com/ 03:46 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 03:47 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 03:52 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:54 < molz> oh i see 03:57 < lndbot> cool! Nice to see you like it 03:57 < lndbot> How'd you open your chans? 03:57 < lndbot> Many or one? 03:59 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lnd 04:03 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 04:03 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:19 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 04:24 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:40 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 04:45 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:58 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 05:01 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 05:02 -!- bitconner 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[~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 07:55 -!- SopaAlt [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 07:56 < jpe_> pending_htlcs is empty 07:58 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58 < lndbot> could be that the balance of the output to sweep is too low? 07:58 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 07:58 -!- SopaAlt [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Client Quit] 07:59 < jpe_> local balance is about 160k sats 07:59 < lndbot> maybe the sweep tx went out but hasn’t been confirmed? 08:00 < jpe_> how can I check that? 08:00 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00 -!- ken2812221 [~User@1.200.201.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02 < lndbot> Look in your mempool for any transactions that reference the closing tx, or look when you restart LND if the log mentions that it is sending any transactions out 08:04 < jpe_> ahh wait I actually see this "unable to publish sweep tx: -26: 66: mempool min fee not met" 08:06 < lndbot> There you go 08:08 < jpe_> I don't really see any option to raise the fee though? 08:09 < lndbot> Yeah I don’t know how to raise the fee either 08:09 < lndbot> Not possible afaik 08:11 < jpe_> Isn't the sweep tx generated locally though? Surely it can be just created again with a higher fee? 08:11 < jpe_> also it seems weird that it would create one with such a low fee to begin with 08:11 < lndbot> Sure it could 08:12 < lndbot> I believe there’s an off-by-one issue when calculating fees but I haven’t been able to find it 08:12 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 08:16 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 08:17 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:18 -!- bitspill [sid28048@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mplsihjionndjkde] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 -!- dabura667 [sid43070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfajwefwuwnnqqtk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 -!- jl2012 [sid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxspveesvrhxqntu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 -!- CodeShark_ [sid126576@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrwnrledqqgogmzq] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 -!- jl2012 [sid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrzzxmnjshxpxipo] has joined #lnd 08:19 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yxoqqbriagtegtdq] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20 -!- jl2012 [sid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrzzxmnjshxpxipo] has quit [Changing host] 08:20 -!- jl2012 [sid133844@unaffiliated/jl2012] has joined #lnd 08:20 -!- jl2012 [sid133844@unaffiliated/jl2012] has quit [Changing host] 08:20 -!- jl2012 [sid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrzzxmnjshxpxipo] has joined #lnd 08:20 -!- rk3y [~rk3y@unaffiliated/rk3y] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20 -!- ivegotasthma [~ivegotast@unaffiliated/ivegotasthma] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20 -!- fronti [~fronti@irc.fh-biergarten.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:21 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:21 -!- dabura667 [sid43070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snmnekwjygtlcxbz] has joined #lnd 08:21 -!- bitspill [sid28048@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ayzhfovauihyemtt] has joined #lnd 08:21 -!- CodeShark_ [sid126576@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzczqgrbsmqvktdo] has joined #lnd 08:21 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nndvdbbopqugvqsb] has joined #lnd 08:22 -!- fronti [~fronti@irc.fh-biergarten.de] has joined #lnd 08:23 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nndvdbbopqugvqsb] has quit [Changing host] 08:23 -!- Varunram [sid210151@unaffiliated/varunram] has joined #lnd 08:23 -!- Varunram [sid210151@unaffiliated/varunram] has quit [Changing host] 08:23 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nndvdbbopqugvqsb] has joined #lnd 08:25 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:a45d:823b:2d27:961c] has joined #lnd 08:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:a45d:823b:2d27:961c] has quit [Changing host] 08:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 08:29 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 08:33 -!- rk3y [~rk3y@unaffiliated/rk3y] has joined #lnd 08:34 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:16 -!- ivegotasthma [~ivegotast@unaffiliated/ivegotasthma] has joined #lnd 09:23 < bob333> I was trying to pay an invoice last night and it kept failing 09:23 < bob333> I saw '"payment_error": "unable to route payment to destination: TemporaryChannelFailure(update=(*lnwire.ChannelUpdate)' a lot 09:24 < lndbot> Tetsnet or mainnet? 09:24 < bob333> mainnet 09:24 < bob333> I tried "lncli queryroutes" and found there were 4 or 5 routes it could find, and was wondering whether manually specifying a different route would work 09:25 < lndbot> I would restart and make sure that your channels are active: true 09:25 < lndbot> Technically having routes doesn’t guarantee a success but I’ve encountered failures like this where there should have been a route 09:25 < bob333> specifically what information from the invoice would I need to copy to the manual route spec so the recipient would recognize that I was paying their invoice rather than making a anonymous donation 09:26 < lndbot> You can’t make anonymous donations 09:26 < bob333> oh, ok 09:27 < bob333> my plan was to use "lncli sendpayment", which I see requires a "payment_hash" - is that the piece of data that identifies which invoice I'm paying? 09:29 < bob333> oh, I mean my plan was to use "lncli sendtoroute" - but that also requires a payment hash 09:30 < bob333> what I ended up doing was opening a direct channel to the recipient. then i could pay the invoice using 'payinvoice' directly 09:31 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 09:35 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37 < jpe_> bob333, yeah the payment hash will be different for every invoice so it will let the receiver know it's the right one. 09:42 < bob333> jpe_: thanks 09:43 < bob333> I was trying to figure out which channel was giving the "TemporaryChannelFailure" error, with a view to closing it, but could only find "lnwire.ShortChannelID) 530319:1435:0" which isn't a format I recognize 09:46 < lndbot> It’s bolt7 unpacked 09:52 < bob333> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/07-routing-gossip.md ? 09:54 < bob333> block height, transaction within block, output within tx 09:54 -!- drrty [drrty@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/drrty] has joined #lnd 09:54 < bob333> please wait - counting to 1435... 10:00 < bob333> ok, that seems to refer to the channel funded by txid ec2afdd364e21fb084c1f187d0dc6afef301ee423d330819e1794a398a257480 which isn't a channel I'm involved with 10:00 < lndbot> A route may have channels you aren’t directly related to 10:01 < bob333> yes, that makes sense. so I'm not able to close that channel to stop payinvoice failing 10:01 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 10:02 < bob333> I'd hope lnd would route around the failing channel 10:02 < lndbot> lnd will try other paths, do you see that happening? 10:02 < bob333> I don't think so 10:03 < lndbot> Do the other paths also involve the failing channel? 10:04 < bob333> here's the logs from one of the failures: 10:04 < bob333> https://hastebin.com/raw/dasegovubo 10:04 < bob333> I don't know which path it was trying to use. will it be the first one returned by queryroutes? 10:05 < lndbot> The way I would interpret that is that you gave a payment to your peer and it said, “I don’t have that peer as my peer” then you tried another one and it said “This channel isn’t working to send your payment right now” and then that’s it 10:05 < lndbot> What’s the output of queryroutes? 10:07 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:08 < bob333> I saw 7 different routes from queryroutes: https://hastebin.com/ikogakayow 10:09 < bob333> full output: https://hastebin.com/zabitodeme.json 10:10 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:12 < lndbot> 500k satoshi send is a high amount, not sure how the output connects up to its attempts but I’m not surprised that if a couple fairly direct routes fail that others would too 10:13 < lndbot> From what I’ve noticed, a lot of the channels in the current network are fairly low in capacity so they fail on higher value sends 10:15 < bob333> isn't 'queryroutes' meant to check for capacity before returning the routes? 10:16 < lndbot> It checks for capacity but not current balance 10:17 < bob333> oh I see, so the money could be on the wrong end of the channel 10:17 < lndbot> Yes 10:17 < bob333> makes sense 10:17 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 10:17 < lndbot> The smaller the send is, the more likely it is that the channel is somewhat balanced 10:18 < bob333> right. I was attempting to balance my channels by doing that send. most of my channels were initiated by me, so all the funds are on my end 10:22 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:23 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 10:41 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 10:43 -!- ken2812221 [~User@1.200.198.248] has joined #lnd 10:45 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:55 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 10:58 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:4157:64ab:75d7:3f2b] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:00 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:00 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:b59d:ea7c:1ad2:3484] has joined #lnd 11:03 -!- Urgo_ [~Urgo@cpe-107-15-142-254.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 11:03 -!- Urgo [~Urgo@cpe-107-15-142-254.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:04 -!- Urgo_ is now known as Urgo 11:14 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 11:19 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has joined #lnd 11:24 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:27 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has joined #lnd 11:29 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 11:31 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:32 -!- bitconner [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:33 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:b59d:ea7c:1ad2:3484] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:37 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:b59d:ea7c:1ad2:3484] has joined #lnd 11:52 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 11:54 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 <@roasbeef> jpe_: before htlc's time out, they actaully don't show up there, there's even a ticket to finish populating the RPC resp iirc 12:06 < jpe_> roasbeef, I see. My issue seems to be that the sweep TX is being generated with a low fee. Could this be considered a bug or am I doing something wrong? 12:06 <@roasbeef> known thing right now 12:06 < jpe_> ahh ok 12:06 <@roasbeef> and either just wait a bit, or lower the relay fee on your node, or try to push it via an external service 12:09 < jpe_> If my relay fee is 1sat/byte then that would mean the tx has less than that? 12:13 < molz> i have this in my bitcoin.conf: minrelaytxfee=0.00000000 12:14 < Veggen> shouldn't there be a log of the htlc sweep tx? 12:14 <@roasbeef> sweeping transactions can be super tiny, like 1-in-1 out 12:14 <@roasbeef> pure p2wkh 12:14 <@roasbeef> ofc there i 12:14 <@roasbeef> s 12:14 < lndbot> Lowering below 1 sat/byte might make it very slow to mine since it’s hard to relay that 12:17 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19 < molz> core devs are proposing to lower the minrelaytxfee 12:19 < molz> in bitcoin core 12:19 <@roasbeef> fees are too damn low rn 12:19 < molz> and someone said some miners are running with 0 minrelaytxfee 12:26 < Veggen> molz: on https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,2h there is a pretty constant number of <1 sat/b transactions. 12:27 < Veggen> ...seems they started appearing around june 28th, if I zoom out. 12:27 < Veggen> and doesn't decrease. 12:36 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 12:42 < jpe_> I'm still confused why there needs to be a sweep TX at all when the closing TX is just a normal P2WPKH 12:43 < molz> here's the log from core devs' meeting a few weeks ago, if you want to read what they discussed re: min relay fee: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-07-05-19.22.log.html 12:43 < molz> beginning at this line: 19:27:46 #topic Min relay fee (provoostenator) 12:45 < molz> haha.. this sounds like LND too: 19:34:05 fun fact, there are wallet like Mycelium that sometimes misscalculate and when preparing 1S/B tx, end up with 0.97.. S/B actuall tx and can not broadcast it currently 12:55 < Veggen> I used mycelium earlier. Quite liked it, too. But it failed to upgrade protocolwise. 13:02 < Veggen> Hm. Just for the heck of it, I did a queryroutes to a destination, with amt 100 satoshi, and max number of routes 100... 13:03 < Veggen> It did actually give me 100 routes, but I haven't compared for uniqueness :) 13:03 < Veggen> (and it took a little bit) 13:03 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 13:04 < Veggen> hmm. And the worst route gave me 1001 millisatoshi. 13:05 < Veggen> Lots gave me a 0 fee? 13:06 < molz> i don't do queryroutes often, but if i have to do it, i put in for 5 routes and it would give me more routes, i think about 10 13:07 < Veggen> how do you count them? did a mistake and grep'ed for total_fees and notices it gives me 2 hits per root because there is both total_fees and total_fees_msat 13:08 < Veggen> actually 55 of the routes gave me a 0 fee. 13:09 < Veggen> that bodes well for true microtransactions? 13:09 < Veggen> or is it a bug? hum. 13:09 -!- treethought [~treethoug@cpe-108-185-249-110.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 13:10 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 13:10 -!- treethought [~treethoug@cpe-108-185-249-110.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:17 < molz> hm i just found out how it happens 13:18 < molz> this will give 5 routes: --num_max_routes=5 13:18 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:18 < molz> but this will give 10 routes: lncli queryroutes 024a2e265cd66066b78a788ae615acdc84b5b0dec9efac36d7ac87513015eaf6ed 5000 5 13:21 < Veggen> there's no 3rd value for number of routes. 13:21 < Veggen> should it fail when there is more arguments than needed? 13:22 < Veggen> think it should. THis is money, the argument could easily be misplaced elsewhere. And in other commands :) 13:26 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 13:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 13:37 < molz> hah.. i don't depend on queryroutes much 13:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 13:42 < ChunkyPuffs> hey roasbeef or any other devs, can you please tell me why it is the case that autopilot is dumb and feautreless atm? 13:42 < ChunkyPuffs> featureless* 13:42 <@roasbeef> is that the only thing that exists to work on atm? 13:42 < ChunkyPuffs> is this actually how autopilot is intended, or is the actual autopilot being worked on elsewhere atm? 13:43 < ChunkyPuffs> Well it simply searches for the most channels, that's it, has no other query. 13:43 < ChunkyPuffs> It doesn't have any consideration for capacity, ping time, reliability, etc, no other metrics, why is this? 13:44 < ChunkyPuffs> What I'm asking is if this is just what autopilot is intended to be for the foreseeable future, or if it is being developed readily behind some closed curtain, especially with how often it is touted to be a solution to many problems. 13:45 <@roasbeef> have you read this post? https://blog.lightning.engineering/posts/2018/05/30/routing.html 13:54 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:b59d:ea7c:1ad2:3484] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09 <@roasbeef> you're basically asking why a feature isn't the best it could possibly be right now, as if there aren't other things to actively work on that may be of a higher priority also given the limited number of people that are actually working on this stuff 14:09 <@roasbeef> response is: patience ;) 14:11 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 14:15 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 14:19 < molz> roasbeef, you're too nice 14:19 < molz> ChunkyPuffs, are you paying roasbeef or any of these LN devs??? 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16:49 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #1600: channeldb+routing: prune unconnected graph vertexes on start up (master...prune-unconnected-graph-verticies) https://git.io/fNWjk 16:49 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 16:54 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:00 <@roasbeef> jkjjkjkj 17:00 <@roasbeef> kek 17:02 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fN4tc 17:02 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master ef56f76 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: routing: demote channel update logging to trace 17:10 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 17:14 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:26 -!- LightningBout [4c6eb89f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.110.184.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:30 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 17:34 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 17:36 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 16 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN4qS 17:36 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master ea2b706 Johan T. 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