--- Day changed Thu Jul 26 2018 00:06 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 00:08 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #lnd 00:11 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:27 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 00:32 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 00:51 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lnd 00:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:56 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:05 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Bluetegu closed pull request #1377: Cache describegraph RPC response (master...cache-describegraph-1232) https://git.io/vhrs6 01:06 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 01:08 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:09 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 01:12 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:28 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 01:33 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:36 -!- tumi [tumi@u.nix.is] has joined #lnd 02:06 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:d992:3519:28f0:d0cb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:06 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 02:15 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@ip-91.246.67.215.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 02:42 < COSMODROME> yo 02:42 < COSMODROME> lncli commands 02:43 < COSMODROME> ~/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd# lncli No command 'lncli' found, did you mean: Command 'lucli' from package 'liblucene2-java' (universe) lncli: command not found 02:43 < COSMODROME> HOW? 02:44 < bobazY> COSMODROME: add the following to your bashrc and log in again: export PATH=$PATH:$GOPATH/bin 02:45 < bobazY> sorry, first export GOPATH=~/gocode , then export PATH=$PATH:$GOPATH/bin 02:45 < bobazY> if you installed in ~/gocode, that is 02:49 < COSMODROME> no no that part is working now i run lnd node and its synking now 02:49 < COSMODROME> my qestion is where do i run lncli commands 02:49 < COSMODROME> from where 02:50 < Veggen> from anywhere as lng as it is in your path. 02:50 < COSMODROME> and how to stop node properly 02:50 < Veggen> lncli stop 02:50 < COSMODROME> thanks 02:51 < Veggen> does anyone have a good link collection to Linux newbie stuff? 02:51 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@ip-91.246.67.215.skyware.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51 < Veggen> would be good to have a "recommended reading for first time Linux users" link... 03:01 < COSMODROME> i only have lncli-debug 03:02 < COSMODROME> no lncli 03:02 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-075-105-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:02 < COSMODROME> all though install went well make check went well as well 03:02 < lndbot> I don't think debugging is stripped from lncli... 03:04 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:04 < COSMODROME> here is what i see 03:05 < COSMODROME> ~/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd# lncli getinfo No command 'lncli' found, did you mean: Command 'lucli' from package 'liblucene2-java' (universe) lncli: command not found 03:05 < COSMODROME> and another way 03:05 < COSMODROME> ~/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd# ./lncli-debug getinfo { "identity_pubkey": "027a176a83492e79ce0836fd411fc6ac431cffded30a80392da76bb4a80090b2af", "alias": "027a176a83492e79ce08", "num_pending_channels": 0, "num_active_channels": 0, "num_peers": 2, "block_height": 533754, "block_hash": "0000000000000000001fb0c30265edb2823429e27a80cf88396b80fb8f7d0b42", "synced_to_chain": true, "testnet": fa 03:06 < COSMODROME> so why i can't find lncli ans i only can see lncli-debug 03:07 < lndbot> `locate lncli` 03:07 -!- SopaXT [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 03:07 < Veggen> COSMODORE: read what bobazY said. 03:07 < COSMODROME> amazing 03:08 < COSMODROME> ~/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd# locate lncli /root/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/cmd/lncli /root/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/cmd/lncli/commands.go /root/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/cmd/lncli/main.go /root/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/contrib/lncli.bash-completion 03:08 < COSMODROME> found 03:08 < COSMODROME> veggen about path 03:08 < COSMODROME> ? 03:08 < Veggen> yup. 03:08 < Veggen> did you do make install btw ? 03:08 < COSMODROME> i mess with it and im afraid to break it 03:08 < Veggen> oh, yes. 03:09 < Veggen> just add to it. 03:09 < COSMODROME> what you mean how 03:09 < COSMODROME> i spent whole day to play with this path 03:09 < COSMODROME> finally it compild 03:09 < COSMODROME> compile 03:09 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:10 < COSMODROME> it was hell 03:10 < COSMODROME> so i'm very afraid to touch it 03:10 < Veggen> don't be. 03:10 < COSMODROME> do i have to put to path /root/go/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/cmd/ 03:11 < COSMODROME> in my case 03:11 < Veggen> you need to learn so that you are not afraid. 03:12 < COSMODROME> he said first export GOPATH=~/gocode if you installed in ~/gocode and apparently this is not my case 03:13 < COSMODROME> whats my gocode /root/go/ 03:14 < Veggen> did you read the tutorial? 03:14 < COSMODROME> yes i follow it and made a mess 03:14 < Veggen> probably it's /root/go 03:14 -!- delphi [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:18b3:4dc2:268f:c5cc] has joined #lnd 03:14 < COSMODROME> i did ln too 03:14 -!- delphi is now known as Guest48761 03:15 < Veggen> but it's *extremely* bad security practise to do your ork and run services as root. 03:15 < Veggen> root is something that you should be only when you absolutely need it. 03:15 < COSMODROME> this is not production 03:15 < COSMODROME> this is home testing 03:15 -!- ken2812221 [~User@1.200.198.248] has joined #lnd 03:15 < COSMODROME> on 10000 satoshi 03:16 < COSMODROME> trying things 03:16 < Veggen> sure. but still, good to get into good habits in test too :) 03:16 < COSMODROME> i guess will come with the time. i,m 67 i guess i still have few years to learn linux 03:16 < COSMODROME> hehe 03:18 < Veggen> When you try to run lncli, it searches your $PATH for it. 03:18 < COSMODROME> this linux and blockchain is fascinating, lucking on linux knowledge 03:18 < COSMODROME> thanks Veggen 03:19 < Veggen> Linux doesn't resally have much to do with blockchain, but it's often an operating system of choice for techies. 03:19 < COSMODROME> not to many blokchain nodes on windows 03:20 < COSMODROME> i mean demons 03:20 < COSMODROME> so export GOPATH=$HOME/go would be correct? 03:20 < Veggen> likely. 03:20 < Veggen> and you need to put it in .profile or such to make it permanent. 03:21 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 03:23 < Veggen> I'd recommend reading up on Linux beginner guides. Maybe buy a book. 03:23 < COSMODROME> i added in the profile and run it of the command line 03:23 < COSMODROME> it's still not finding lncli 03:23 < Veggen> it may saound like much work, but it will save you a lot of time in the long run :) 03:24 < Veggen> What does "echo $PATH" say ? 03:24 < COSMODROME> i'm lerning and very appritiate your assistance and learning from you 03:24 < Veggen> do export PATH=$PATH:$GOPATH/bin 03:25 < Veggen> and put it in .profile 03:25 < COSMODROME> echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin 03:26 < Veggen> what instrallation guide did you follow? 03:26 < COSMODROME> echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/root/go/bin 03:27 < COSMODROME> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md 03:27 < Veggen> now, try to run lncli 03:27 < COSMODROME> works 03:27 < COSMODROME> magic 03:27 < COSMODROME> thank you 03:28 < Veggen> not really. 03:28 < COSMODROME> ? 03:28 < Veggen> it will search in all places that are specified in $PATH 03:28 < COSMODROME> got it 03:28 < COSMODROME> thanks its a bit confusing now 03:28 < COSMODROME> goroot and gopath and path 03:29 < COSMODROME> whats the difference )) 03:29 < Veggen> it's really just names to simplify things. 03:29 < COSMODROME> Place_where_is_your_golang_code Place_where_xxxx 03:29 < COSMODROME> ))))) 03:32 < COSMODROME> goog deal 03:32 < COSMODROME> so node is running incli working 03:33 < COSMODROME> i'm gonna go configure the alisas or name 03:33 < COSMODROME> id there any instructions or more info i can read? 03:33 < COSMODROME> any usefull links maybe 03:35 < Veggen> well. I have one, https://random.engen.priv.no/archives/498 03:35 < Veggen> but it's more geared to answering the questions that pop up after starting to use it a bit :) 03:37 < COSMODROME> i was using c-lightening 03:38 < Veggen> https://dev.lightning.community/tutorial/01-lncli/index.html 03:38 < COSMODROME> but it's limmited vs lnd i think 03:38 < Veggen> is not bad. 03:39 < COSMODROME> so i did created 20 funded channels than close and move funds away 03:39 < COSMODROME> but i think this one is much better software 03:39 < COSMODROME> what you say? 03:39 < COSMODROME> KND 03:39 < COSMODROME> LND 03:40 < Veggen> I am biased, so you shouldn''t trust me. 03:40 < Veggen> but I also think LND is better. 03:40 < Veggen> better to try it out and see for yourself. 03:41 < Veggen> https://thebitcoin.pub/t/the-perfect-bitcoin-lightning-node-tutorial/33437 03:41 < COSMODROME> exactly what im doing 03:41 < Veggen> is approximately how I have set up my LND node. 03:41 < COSMODROME> trying lnd now 03:42 < COSMODROME> lncli-alice lncli-bob ?? special lncli? 03:42 < Veggen> just aliases, I think. 03:43 < Veggen> this is running several LNDs at the same time. 03:43 < Veggen> good for testing and learning what happens in all ends :) 03:45 -!- ottosuess [~ottosuess@89.249.64.163] has joined #lnd 03:47 < COSMODROME> true 03:49 < Veggen> bbut since you have run c-lightning, you should already know most basics about LN 03:51 < COSMODROME> oh yeah i spent two weeks 03:51 < COSMODROME> learning and playing with it 03:51 < COSMODROME> question 03:51 < COSMODROME> Configuring lnd.conf 03:52 < COSMODROME> but that fike is nit existing 03:52 < COSMODROME> it should be reated right 03:52 < COSMODROME> created 03:53 -!- ottosuess [~ottosuess@89.249.64.163] has left #lnd [] 03:54 < COSMODROME> hmmm all this now 03:54 < COSMODROME> 2018-07-26 10:54:15.331 [ERR] CMGR: Can't accept connection: unable to accept connection from 84.245.48.101:44894: chacha20poly1305: message authentication failed 2018-07-26 10:54:16.216 [ERR] CMGR: Can't accept connection: unable to accept connection from 193.250.217.113:38892: chacha20poly1305: message authentication failed 2018-07-26 10:54:24.355 [ERR] CMGR: Can't accept connection: unable to accept connection from 176.97.247.9:42 03:54 < COSMODROME> trying to connect to me and i don't accept it 03:55 -!- ottosuess [~ottosuess@89.249.64.163] has joined #lnd 03:56 -!- ottosuess [~ottosuess@89.249.64.163] has left #lnd [] 03:56 < molz> ignore those messages 03:57 < molz> here's a sample page for lnd.conf: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/sample-lnd.conf 03:57 < molz> if you've installed lnd and bitcoind in default places, it's very simple to config your lnd.conf 03:59 -!- osue [~osue@89.249.64.163] has joined #lnd 04:06 -!- jchia_1 [~jchia@58.32.69.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:09 -!- osue [~osue@89.249.64.163] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 -!- osue [~osue@89.249.64.163] has joined #lnd 04:13 -!- osue 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(master...rpctest-increase-timeout) https://git.io/fN4ih 12:56 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-212-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 13:09 -!- tacocat_ [808a417d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.138.65.125] has joined #lnd 13:09 -!- tacocat_ [808a417d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.138.65.125] has quit [Client Quit] 13:20 < COSMODROME> yep founded and did it )) 13:21 < COSMODROME> what are the defult fee policy for LND? 13:21 < COSMODROME> how are you Veggen you did a lot of help for me last night , thanks again 13:22 < molz> default base fee = 1 sat; default base rate = 0.000001 13:25 < COSMODROME> thats kinda low 13:26 < Veggen> yup. 13:27 < COSMODROME> i fond somewhere site with fees and don't remember 13:27 < COSMODROME> Veggen 1000 satoshi is a good fee? 13:27 < Veggen> far too much :) 13:27 < molz> people will avoid your route 13:28 < Veggen> why would you do that if you could do it for less, on-chain? 13:30 < COSMODROME> 5000 satohi on-chain isn't 13:31 < COSMODROME> wait 50,000 13:31 < Veggen> LN fees should be *much* less than on-chain. 13:31 < COSMODROME> 0.0005 btc 13:32 < Veggen> is anyone paying that, now? 13:32 -!- bitconne1 [~conner@136.24.175.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32 < COSMODROME> so 50000 vs 1000 50 times less 13:33 < Veggen> 2500 in on-chain fee right now is pretty much guaranteed first block. 13:33 < Veggen> (with a non-complex transaction) 13:33 < COSMODROME> 50000 is over $4 and 1000 is less than 10 cents 13:33 < Veggen> still far too much. 13:33 < COSMODROME> ok 13:34 < COSMODROME> just trying to see public opinion 13:34 < Veggen> you may set those fees, but noone will use your channels. at all. 13:34 < COSMODROME> so whats good fair fees? 13:34 < Veggen> 1-10 satoshi, imho. 13:34 < COSMODROME> today 13:35 < Veggen> you won't earn much on routing right now. 13:35 < Veggen> but you will save a ton on your own transactions. 13:36 < COSMODROME> lunderstood 13:36 < COSMODROME> understood 13:36 < Veggen> most people leave base fee at 1 satoshi. 13:37 < Veggen> some people set a higher fee rate. 13:37 < Veggen> to make it cost a bit to transact more btc. 13:37 < COSMODROME> yet most people don't fund their channels more then 10$ 13:38 < COSMODROME> and say i need to transfr 100$ 13:38 < COSMODROME> if node have tx fee 1 sat but not funded it will skip it 13:38 < Veggen> well, yah. 13:39 < COSMODROME> it will go to the channel that is 100 and over even fee is higer 13:39 < Veggen> imho the fee rate is what should be higher. 13:39 < Veggen> of course. 13:39 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39 < COSMODROME> so more you fund channels more you can chage? it's like freezing cash 13:40 < Veggen> keep in mind that you can charge both ways. 13:40 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 13:40 < Veggen> we're not routing much transactions at all yet. 13:41 < COSMODROME> is there a special setup? 13:41 < COSMODROME> for both ways 13:42 < Veggen> nope. you just need to have liquidity on each side, then transactions can flow both ways. 13:44 < COSMODROME> wait, i can fund a channel. so they also should fund from their end right? I put 100 and they put 100 now we can do transactions both ways up to 100 bucks. is that statment correct? 13:45 < COSMODROME> in this case now i understand why some nodes are private 13:45 < COSMODROME> they bring up bunch of nodes and fund them both ways 13:47 < molz> no 13:47 < molz> that's a wrong concept that has been floating around too long 13:50 < molz> if you have 100 bucks in a channel, you can spend up to 100 bucks minus closing fee 13:50 < molz> if you send 100 bucks to the other side, the counterparty can send back 100 bucs minus 1& reserve 13:50 < molz> s/bucs/bucks 13:51 < molz> argh s/1&/1%/ 13:52 < Veggen> COSMODROME: The money you have paid to the other end can be paid towards you again. 13:52 < Veggen> So you can use the same "locked BTC" many times. 13:53 < Veggen> I don't call it locked, though. I call it "enabled for lightning transactions". 13:54 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58 < COSMODROME> fascinating and impressive 13:59 < COSMODROME> in your opinion what is the average btc transaction this days 13:59 < Veggen> no idea. 13:59 < Veggen> honestly. 13:59 < molz> very small 13:59 < COSMODROME> not the exchanges the people 13:59 < COSMODROME> <$100 13:59 < COSMODROME> or <500 13:59 < molz> about 10 bucks average, i'd say 13:59 < Veggen> on LN? 14:00 < Veggen> or onchain? 14:00 < COSMODROME> onchain 14:00 < Veggen> onchain, excluding exchange/trading..probably not too large, either. 14:00 < molz> oh i thought he was asking about LN txs 14:01 < COSMODROME> no no molz onchain 14:01 < COSMODROME> like you wanna pay your buddy for beer or movie 14:01 < COSMODROME> i supposed it's less then 100 bucks 14:03 < Veggen> well, night. 14:03 < molz> i think there're a lot big txs onchain 14:03 < molz> Veggen, night 14:03 < Veggen> molz: but most of it is big money trading. 14:04 < molz> yea i guess so 14:04 < Veggen> but, night. 14:05 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05 -!- Nageki [~Nageki@pool-108-35-133-152.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lnd 14:10 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 14:11 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:11 < COSMODROME> night 14:11 < COSMODROME> i found this 14:11 < COSMODROME> --bitcoin.minhtlc= The smallest HTLC we are willing to forward on our channels, in millisatoshi (default: 1000) --bitcoin.basefee= The base fee in millisatoshi we will charge for forwarding payments on our channels (default: 1000) --bitcoin.feerate= The fee rate used when forwarding payments on our channels 14:12 < COSMODROME> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/1523 14:12 < COSMODROME> default: 1000 14:12 < COSMODROME> ???? 14:14 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:16 -!- bitconner [~conner@64-71-8-130.static.wiline.com] has joined #lnd 14:21 < lndbot> 1000 millisatoshi = 1 satoshi ? what's wrong with that. 14:43 -!- COSMODROME [4b50b4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.80.180.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:46 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 14:51 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:06 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 15:11 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:21 -!- COSMODROME [4b50b4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.80.180.252] has joined #lnd 15:24 < COSMODROME> Anyone know how to use autopilot and if its any good 15:27 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 15:30 < COSMODROME> ohh well 15:32 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:44 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] Roasbeef opened pull request #78: rescan: fix bug that could cause rescan loop to miss blocks (master...block-subscription-catch-up) https://git.io/fNuB8 15:48 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 15:48 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:50 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 15:50 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-215-253-208.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:50 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 15:53 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:02 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:08 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lnd 16:10 < COSMODROME> HOW to enable AUTOPILOT 16:12 < lndbot> It’s a config flag 16:12 < lndbot> You can try it out on testnet 16:13 < COSMODROME> is that to me ? 16:16 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 16:21 < lndbot> Yep 16:23 < bob333> COSMODROME: in lnd.conf: 16:23 < bob333> [autopilot] 16:23 < bob333> autopilot.active=1 16:24 < COSMODROME> thank you 16:24 < COSMODROME> so it's going to open channels on it's own and use entire balance? Can i set how much i want per channel satoshi? 16:25 < bob333> you can set min and max in satoshis, like this: 16:25 < bob333> autopilot.minchansize=16777215 16:25 < bob333> autopilot.maxchansize=16777215 16:25 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 16:25 < bob333> I don't know what logic it uses. for me it kept opening channels until my balance was gone 16:26 < bob333> use "autopilot.allocation=1" to tell it what proportion of your balace to use. 1 means "all of it" 16:27 < bob333> you can limit the number of channels it creates: "autopilot.maxchannels=500" 16:30 < COSMODROME> amazing 16:30 < COSMODROME> bob thank you 16:30 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:31 < bob333> check ~/gocode/src/github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/sample-lnd.conf for a sample config file 16:34 < COSMODROME> great, this is what I need 16:34 < COSMODROME> you are very knowledgeable 16:35 < COSMODROME> bob333 autopilot.minchansize=16777215 <---- is that satoshi or milisatoshi 16:35 < bob333> satoshi 16:36 < bob333> so that's the max channel size - about 0.16 BTC 16:36 < COSMODROME> in your examplle this is like $1,327.17145758 )))) per channel )) 16:36 < COSMODROME> 500 channels 16:36 < COSMODROME> no bad1 there you go 16:37 < bob333> I ran out of balance before 500 channels 16:37 < bob333> I just didn't want to be artificially limiting autopilot. I had read that it would open an optimal set of channels 16:37 < COSMODROME> whats the alias of your node to connect 16:37 < bob333> but it turned out it just opened as many as it could 16:37 < bob333> alias is "fairly cheap", but to connect I think you need the pubkey 16:38 < COSMODROME> i saw it great thing a lot of connectiions 16:38 < bob333> 03cb7983dc247f9f81a0fa2dfa3ce1c255365f7279c8dd143e086ca333df10e278@46.28.204.21:9735 16:38 < molz> oh. that's your node, bob333 ? 16:38 < molz> we were wondering whose that was 16:39 < bob333> yeah 16:39 < COSMODROME> ))))) good job 16:39 < COSMODROME> molz what yours 16:39 < bob333> I saw a single pro-BCH guy have over 50% of the capacity so thought I'd reduce that a bit 16:39 < molz> lol how can you reduce that? 16:40 < molz> i'm about to close all these ridiculous channel with max amounts 16:40 < bob333> well, if has capacity stays the same but the total increases, his percentage decreases.. 16:40 < COSMODROME> let me ask you one more question about autopilot. if I deposit around 1000 bucks and set max to 1000 bucks in satoshi it can open 100 channels at 10$ or it will open one $1000 16:40 < bob333> you're free to close channels if you want to, but what's the point? 16:41 < bob333> I never tried having the min and max set to different amounts, so I don't know 16:41 < COSMODROME> got it 16:41 < COSMODROME> thanks 16:43 -!- SpoekplumpeN [51eca0f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.236.160.240] has joined #lnd 16:46 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has joined #lnd 16:47 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #lnd 16:50 -!- COSMODROME [4b50b4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.80.180.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:54 -!- nodweber [~nodweber@unaffiliated/nodweber] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:01 -!- COSMODROME [4b50b4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.80.180.252] has joined #lnd 17:01 < COSMODROME> hate when mac reboots it's self. happens once in 6 month 17:01 < COSMODROME> lost history 17:01 < COSMODROME> damn 17:04 < molz> COSMODROME, lnd has a default minchansize at 20000 satoshi, i wouldn't get autopilot to open channels with less than this amount 17:05 < molz> COSMODROME, i don't see the point of opening a lot channels for nothing, it's more fun if you know what you want to do with your money, like buying stuff, play some games, gambling a little bit 17:06 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [] 17:06 < molz> someone had a live youtube showing his candy dispenser, when people sent some satoshis they got to see candy coming out from the machine, i spent some money sending to his node, it was fun 17:07 < molz> and i also spent some money on satoshis.place 17:07 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 17:07 < molz> also buying stuff from bitrefill.com, now we can buy Amazon gift cards from bitrefill 17:07 < SpoekplumpeN> I too tried to induce diabetes through lightning 17:07 < molz> and reddit gold 17:07 < molz> SpoekplumpeN, lmao 17:08 < molz> it was so fun wasn't it 17:08 < SpoekplumpeN> I got a thubs up 17:08 < SpoekplumpeN> its alot of fun :) 17:08 < SpoekplumpeN> just got my full node up on testnet 17:08 < molz> yup.. he's taking that show off for now 17:09 < molz> SpoekplumpeN, have you seen this video: https://twitter.com/KollerTobias/status/1021881821913657344 17:09 < molz> i would love to have a candy party like that 17:09 < SpoekplumpeN> haha 17:10 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:13 < SpoekplumpeN> admin@RaspiBolt:~ $ lncli walletbalance { "total_balance": "182327251", "confirmed_balance": "182327251", "unconfirmed_balance": "0" } admin@RaspiBolt:~ $ lncli channelbalance { "balance": "0", "pending_open_balance": "16777034" 17:14 < SpoekplumpeN> assuming this is autopilot opening channels for 16777034, how come it's not 182327251 17:14 < SpoekplumpeN> seems like alot of fees for testnet 17:16 < molz> 16777215 sat is the max amount to fund a channel 17:24 < SpoekplumpeN> my node was loaded with 1.99btc, I thought these would showup with lncli walletbalance 17:36 < SpoekplumpeN> right, didn't realize there was one less number in the pending open channels 17:36 < SpoekplumpeN> they equate to the total, as expected 17:42 -!- peevsie [~peevsie@2604:2000:f18f:e300::5] has joined #lnd 17:42 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@050-090-083-229.res.spectrum.com] has joined #lnd 17:44 -!- PatBoy [xyz@192.99.249.194] has left #lnd [] 17:47 < COSMODROME> i have worth 17:48 < COSMODROME> lncli walletbalance { "total_balance": "246136", "confirmed_balance": "0", "unconfirmed_balance": "246136" } 17:48 < COSMODROME> ~# lncli walletbalance { "total_balance": "246136", "confirmed_balance": "246136", "unconfirmed_balance": "0" 17:48 < COSMODROME> confirmed balance is 0 for a long time 17:48 < COSMODROME> then money shows up 17:48 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48 < COSMODROME> if i create a channel with half of it i get confirmed 0 again for an hour or so 17:52 < COSMODROME> here you go, just did new channel lncli walletbalance { "total_balance": "119730", "confirmed_balance": "0", "unconfirmed_balance": "119730" 17:53 < COSMODROME> why is confirmed 0 again for an hour or so 17:53 < COSMODROME> ? 17:56 < lndbot> if you only have 1 utxo, when you're creating a channel, you're essentially splitting it into 2, the "change" that comes back to your wallet isn't confirmed yet. 18:05 -!- jpe_ [~jpe@200116b84209f800147509125f2bc37d.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #lnd 18:08 -!- jpe__ [~jpe@200116b8428ba500d32346fca66cf31a.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:15 -!- peevsie [~peevsie@2604:2000:f18f:e300::5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:15 < COSMODROME> lndbot I understand that i'm waiting for change that is coming back, correct? 18:16 < COSMODROME> if i need to rapidly fund 100 channels would i have deposit to 100 addresses onchain? 18:16 < COSMODROME> or create 100 addresses inside and from onchain devide to 100 accounts 18:16 < COSMODROME> i don't get it 18:19 < lndbot> having 100 different addresses means you can create 100 channels simultaneously, but as far as I know, there are changes which will let you create multiple channels at the same time from a single txout, though I think it will probably be sometime before we see it. 18:20 < molz> COSMODROME, you have one utxo set, utxo = unspent output.. Think of it like this: suppose you have a 20 dollar bill, now you spend half of it, you hand it over to a cashier, you have to wait for the change to come back.. so in the minute of waiting you don't have any money to go buy something else next door. then the cashier hands you a 10 dollar bill, so now you have only one bill, like one utxo, then you spend half of it, you have to wait for some 18:20 < molz> change back, etc.. 18:21 < molz> hope that can help to visualize what it's like with bitcoin utxo sets 18:22 < molz> COSMODROME, if you have, say 5 utxo sets you probably can open 5 channels at once.. but i don't see the point of trying to open 100 channels at the same time 18:23 < COSMODROME> mozl very good example 18:23 < molz> well thank you :) and yes, i understand it's kinda hard to understand utxo in bitcoin at first 18:23 < COSMODROME> waiting for change takes a very very long time 18:23 < COSMODROME> frustrating even on small ammounts 18:23 < molz> well because it's an onchain tx 18:24 < COSMODROME> damn you are right openning and closing is onchain 18:25 < molz> in real life with fiat, sometimes you have to wait for a while to get the change back, like if you hand a cashier a 100 dollar bill and they don't have enough chain, they run to a next store for help 18:25 < molz> er s/chain/change/ 18:25 < COSMODROME> i got it very good visualization 18:26 < COSMODROME> you guys are impressive, calm, straight forward and can explain complex things to a 67 yold non tech man or 5 yearold child 18:27 < COSMODROME> i'm trying sorry so some questions that may look common sence 18:27 < COSMODROME> you are great and this channel is awesome 18:28 < molz> oh no problem at all 18:28 < molz> we all are here to learn 18:28 -!- PatBoy [xyz@192.99.249.194] has joined #lnd 18:29 < COSMODROME> honestly i was thinking to build small transaction validation business for side income. 18:29 < COSMODROME> I was lucky in participate in ICO of http://cosmos.network and mainnet soon to start 18:30 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30 < COSMODROME> here in Ukraine they don't have good pensions :((( so got to learn new things. at 67 nobody hire anymore 18:33 < COSMODROME> also a question how powerful should be a computer/server/node to run LND 18:43 < molz> er.. we aren't in favor of any ICO 18:49 < molz> but for a computer to run lnd, i guess a decent one can work 19:04 < COSMODROME> still didn'y get change from my last transaction 19:05 < COSMODROME> very long wait with one utxo 19:14 < molz> hm is the tx confirmed? 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23:56 < molz> they're bitcoin nodes 23:57 < rabidus> but not the same 23:59 < molz> you can see their names aren't the same, so ofc they're not exactly the same but they are bitcoin nodes running on the same bitcoin chain