--- Day changed Sat Oct 13 2018 00:18 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:18 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 00:26 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:27 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has joined #lnd 00:29 -!- rk3y [~rk3y@unaffiliated/rk3y] has joined #lnd 00:48 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 00:51 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 00:57 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:58 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 01:13 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 01:26 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 01:35 -!- osue [~osue@165.227.135.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36 -!- osue [~osue@165.227.135.119] has joined #lnd 01:39 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:46 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 02:04 -!- rhavar [uid237883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykfiiifoiqbqnqok] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:12 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:14 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 02:33 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@x5ce2d73c.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 02:34 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has joined #lnd 02:35 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has joined #lnd 02:38 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has quit [Client Quit] 03:10 -!- Mushi [d36de16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.109.225.110] has joined #lnd 03:12 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:40 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@58.32.39.25] has joined #lnd 04:14 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 04:54 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 05:14 < Talkless> Hi. Does a merchant knows public key of the node that pays him via routed (HTLC) payment? 05:46 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:47 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47 < molz> Talkless, no 05:48 < molz> Talkless, but if he has to send the merchandise to you then he knows your physical location, name, etc 05:49 < Talkless> yeah of course 05:49 < Talkless> and it knows IP address when you fill the form, unless you use tor 05:50 < Talkless> I just thought about the Lightning payment itself. 05:50 < Talkless> Thanks molz, I though so, just wanted to make sure :) 05:50 < Talkless> BUT, if channel ballance changes, and it's state is broadcastes, couldn't merchant correlate updated channel difference..? 05:51 < Talkless> broadcasted* 05:51 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 06:21 < molz> Talkless, what do you mean? 06:22 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajcrzaaaarogkxob] has joined #lnd 06:27 -!- Stochastic22 [uid279126@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uscqlhcytfuthqpd] has joined #lnd 06:43 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #lnd 07:19 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lnd 07:32 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 07:47 < lndbot> Channel balances aren’t broadcast 07:54 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 08:16 < Talkless> alexbosworth oh right, it's node's capacity that is broadcastes? 08:17 < Talkless> and it does not hange, right. 08:17 < Talkless> noice :) 08:17 < lndbot> The shared capacity, if it’s a public channel 08:17 < Talkless> changeŪ 08:17 < Talkless> * 08:17 < Talkless> yeah right 08:17 < lndbot> Not until splicing 08:17 < Talkless> pretty cool :) 08:18 < Talkless> alexbosworth could you elaborate about splicing? 08:18 < lndbot> Splicing will allow you to reduce or increase the capacity of your channel 08:20 < Talkless> alexbosworth is this some sort of additiona funding transaction? 08:22 < lndbot> Yeah 08:22 < Talkless> that's much better than close&fund :) . 08:23 < Talkless> and no deed to accumulate spent channels 08:23 < Talkless> no need* 08:23 < lndbot> The downside is you lose the age of the channel 08:23 < Talkless> you mean, cannot receive? 08:23 < Talkless> only spend 08:23 < Talkless> SPEDN :) 08:25 < lndbot> No just that they have less PoW on top 08:27 < Talkless> o sorry, I thought the edge of the channel 08:41 -!- Rozal [uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajcrzaaaarogkxob] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:44 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:36 -!- Stochastic22 [uid279126@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uscqlhcytfuthqpd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:36 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 11:11 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56 -!- bluetegu [~blueteg@109-186-117-111.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56 -!- bluetegu [~blueteg@109-186-117-111.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lnd 12:07 -!- Mushi [d36de16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.109.225.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:25 -!- berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:25 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34 -!- Toresh [2e7ed2b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.126.210.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40 -!- DaReaLDeviL [~DaReaLDev@ppp-88-217-96-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lnd 14:06 -!- mthiel_ [~mario@p4FCB39A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 14:36 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 14:54 < waxwing> roasbeef, or anyone else, i'm a bit confused about flags vs args in RPC. is there a reason to prefer one or the other, or to prefer both? 14:55 <@roasbeef> flags vs args? 14:55 <@roasbeef> like build flags? 14:55 <@roasbeef> build flags are conditional compliation 14:55 < waxwing> oh no, i mean in the code 14:55 <@roasbeef> args are like config args 14:55 <@roasbeef> hmm, have an example? 14:55 < waxwing> yes easier to link, hang on 14:56 < waxwing> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/1984/files?utf8=%E2%9C%93&diff=unified#r224039450 14:56 < waxwing> what i'm confused about is, yes, you can set arguments or flags, or allow both, but the latter seems the most complicated, in other RPCs i see more than one approach taken. 14:57 < waxwing> i mean it's probably just nbd, i've basically done as he asked and added flags too, it's probably good that way, but i started wondering. e.g. newaddress is argument only, not flags. 14:59 <@roasbeef> waxwing: ahh 14:59 <@roasbeef> it's in order to allow kwargs 14:59 <@roasbeef> key worg arguments 14:59 <@roasbeef> word* 14:59 <@roasbeef> we usually do both 14:59 <@roasbeef> so i can do sendcoins --addr=.. --amt=.., etc 14:59 <@roasbeef> or just the positional variant 15:00 < waxwing> right, i can certainly imagine it's better. but what concerns me a bit is mixing. 15:00 <@roasbeef> https://github.com/urfave/cli#flags 15:00 <@roasbeef> gives users an option which is nice 15:00 < waxwing> like if i did listunspent --min_confs=2 7 .. would you expect that to work or not? 15:00 <@roasbeef> see the other code how to handle the mixing correctly 15:00 < waxwing> ok 15:01 <@roasbeef> the mixigin has a set order usually 15:01 <@roasbeef> mixing* 15:01 < waxwing> yeah. if it was me i'd ban such things because they confuse me, but fine, i'll be a good conformist :) 15:03 <@roasbeef> hehe, i generally fund kwargs to be more readable 15:03 <@roasbeef> you don't need to memorize the order 15:03 <@roasbeef> historically from my Pov, that's was allowed things like 1 vs true in bitcoind rpc cli to sneak in 15:04 <@roasbeef> it was kwargs only initially 15:04 <@roasbeef> but then ppl requested args as well 15:04 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5:7c57:7e70:4ad3:ca0e] has joined #lnd 15:06 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10 < waxwing> roasbeef, i'm def missing something obvious here, but how are the defaults for several of these values set? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/cmd/lncli/commands.go#L492-L504 15:10 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5:7c57:7e70:4ad3:ca0e] has left #lnd ["Leaving"] 15:10 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:10 -!- usil [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has joined #lnd 15:11 -!- azi` [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:12 -!- azi` [~foo@odisej.fmf.uni-lj.si] has joined #lnd 15:16 -!- DaReaLDeviL [~DaReaLDev@ppp-88-217-96-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20 -!- onryo [~qxt@unaffiliated/onryo] has joined #lnd 15:33 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:37 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 15:37 < molz> waxwing, i don't think they have an order between each other but i wouldn't put them before the pubkey 16:04 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-075-064-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:32 <@roasbeef> waxwing: the ones that are mandatory at times don't have a default 16:32 <@roasbeef> what would the default node key be? 16:32 <@roasbeef> here's the default conf value in openchannel: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/cmd/lncli/commands.go#L477 16:32 <@roasbeef> the attr is "Value" 17:45 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52 -!- berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has joined #lnd 18:16 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:36 -!- aerth [~aerth@gateway/tor-sasl/aerth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37 -!- aerth [~aerth@gateway/tor-sasl/aerth] has joined #lnd 19:51 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:51 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 19:56 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:56 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 20:22 -!- ThomasV [~thomasv@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lnd 20:23 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@x2f533b7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 20:24 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@x5ce2d73c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:47 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 22:20 < cluelessperson> so how is lightning doing? 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