--- Day changed Mon Oct 29 2018 00:13 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has joined #lnd 00:17 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26 -!- aerth [~aerth@gateway/tor-sasl/aerth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has joined #lnd 00:28 -!- aerth [~aerth@gateway/tor-sasl/aerth] has joined #lnd 00:31 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-wcxviwcjqqhkubse] has joined #lnd 00:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] svewa opened pull request #2119: enable tor control via (hashed)ControlPassword (master...tor-control-password) https://git.io/fxQop 00:31 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-wcxviwcjqqhkubse] has left #lnd [] 00:31 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-qzagkxkzvncybqga] has joined #lnd 00:43 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] svewa opened pull request #2120: Remote tor support (master...remote-tor-support) https://git.io/fxQK8 00:43 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-qzagkxkzvncybqga] has left #lnd [] 01:22 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has joined #lnd 02:18 -!- aerth [~aerth@gateway/tor-sasl/aerth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18 -!- aerth [~aerth@gateway/tor-sasl/aerth] has joined #lnd 03:04 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@dslb-188-108-046-175.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 03:07 -!- jchia_2 [~jchia@58.32.39.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:17 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@58.32.39.25] has joined #lnd 03:29 -!- jpe [~jp@fnord.cryptophone.de] has joined #lnd 03:37 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@dslb-188-108-046-175.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:15 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:18 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:21 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 04:22 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has joined #lnd 04:25 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 04:30 < rafalcpp> writting some program using LN. How should I best bundle LND? 04:31 < rafalcpp> linux first, then windows (also man). Eventually android (is LND there at all?), and one day iOS 04:31 < molz> devs are working on iOS 04:47 < queip> that's nice. Currently mostly Linux and Windows, what would be the reasonable way to deliver LND along with binary (static btw) for my program? 04:47 < queip> that LND binary is static? my main program's one is 04:51 < queip> lnd links to vdso, thread, libc (and ld) 04:52 < rafalcpp> queip: that's rather static. Not 100% sure about libc 04:54 < rafalcpp> well, "ld" on a fully static program (e.g. c++ gcc -static) just says "not a dynamic executable". 04:56 < molz> what's "ld"? 04:57 < rafalcpp> and for example ldd bitcoind, on gitian official binaries, shows: VDSO, thread, rt, m, libc, gcc_s (?), and ld 04:57 < rafalcpp> so I guess lnd's kind of "static" should be good enough then? 04:57 < rafalcpp> molz: shows on which dynamic libraries the program depends, to be delivered by OS in matching versions 04:57 < molz> ah 04:57 < rafalcpp> I mean, ldd is. 04:58 < rafalcpp> ld is the linker itself... I guess "/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2" is normal. maybe it's needed to ask OS to load the other linked libraries. btw molz it's "like DLL" for comparsion 04:59 < molz> right 04:59 < queip> btw, iOS is such a major pain in the ass :P especially to write services that should continue to run in background 05:00 < molz> we have a channel for #mobile on the slack, there were many discussions on iOS and Android there but not lately 05:00 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@dslb-188-108-046-175.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 05:01 < molz> i think what we're waiting for is neutrino to be optimized..and then in bitcoin core 05:01 < molz> but im able to run the lightning-app and fullnode commandline lnd on neutrino in testnet 05:04 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 05:09 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:18 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 05:21 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@58.32.39.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:26 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 05:31 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@dslb-188-108-042-221.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 05:32 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@dslb-188-108-046-175.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:32 < queip> molz, you mentioned slack. Wouldn't be better to use some open source solution like for example Rocket.chat? I agree that it is more buggy, and slow, but still completely open platform. We have some experience with Rocket or Matrix, and we could help. 05:33 < molz> queip, it's not my decision and slack is fine 05:39 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 05:44 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@58.32.39.25] has joined #lnd 05:49 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@ipservice-092-210-129-015.092.210.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 05:50 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@dslb-188-108-042-221.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:54 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@ipservice-092-210-129-015.092.210.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:55 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@ipservice-092-210-152-145.092.210.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 05:57 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 05:59 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 06:02 -!- tweaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:02 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@ipservice-092-210-152-145.092.210.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:06 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 06:12 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 06:12 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 06:16 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 06:34 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:44 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has joined #lnd 07:20 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 07:21 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 07:22 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 07:23 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 07:25 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 07:25 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 07:30 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 07:32 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 07:36 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:36 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 07:36 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 07:38 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 07:38 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-160-76.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 07:39 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 07:40 -!- bobazXY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 08:06 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11 -!- Stochastic22 [uid279126@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ixdwalgkeirlrwxw] has joined #lnd 08:19 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:22 < waxwing> roasbeef, thanks for the tip re; the make target 'lint', but i'm not sure how to read it; when i do that i get a bunch of 'not gofmted with -s' errors in several files (not the ones i'm working on). so i guess travis or anything is not using that right now. 08:22 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 08:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 09:08 -!- tweeeaks [~tweeeaks@unaffiliated/tweeeaks] has joined #lnd 09:11 -!- tweeeaks is now known as tweaks 09:42 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has joined #lnd 09:43 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has quit [Client Quit] 09:43 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has joined #lnd 09:46 -!- drexl_ [~drexl@185.94.189.188] has joined #lnd 09:48 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has quit [Client Quit] 09:48 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has joined #lnd 09:49 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:52 -!- rafalcpp_ is now known as rafalcpp 10:31 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 10:31 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yfpniuqfulkmpufm] has joined #lnd 10:31 < Varunram> hey folks, a noob question here 10:32 < Varunram> in place of the default faucet.lightning.community , can I run a local testnet node and pass localhost to --neutrino.connect? 10:34 < molz> Varunram, only btcd can help with that 10:35 < Varunram> thanks molz, so can I run a btcd node and then point to localhost? 10:35 < molz> yes 10:35 < Varunram> awesome :D 10:35 < Varunram> thanks! 10:37 < molz> Varunram, are you running lnd on commandline or are you running the lightning-app? 10:37 -!- jchia_3 [~jchia@58.32.38.20] has joined #lnd 10:38 < Varunram> not running it yet, making btcd :) 10:38 < Varunram> seems like the makefile defats to `/` 10:39 < molz> well i compile btcd with 'glide install' and 'go install ../cmd/...' 10:39 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@58.32.39.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:40 < Varunram> oh, I tried make btcd 10:40 < Varunram> will try your suggestion now 10:40 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:40 < molz> Varunram, use the guide from here: https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/#linuxbsdmacosxposix---build-from-source 10:41 < Varunram> yeah, used that 10:47 < Varunram> grr, glide problems haunting me again 11:14 -!- drexl__ [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 11:15 < molz> Varunram, what problems? 11:16 -!- drexl_ [~drexl@185.94.189.188] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16 < Varunram> nah, solved them, syncing btcd now 11:16 < Varunram> gopath 11:16 < Varunram> had to logout and login again 11:40 -!- Stochastic22 [uid279126@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ixdwalgkeirlrwxw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:55 < molz> "The LND node software now runs from *within* the Excel plugin. With neutrino, that means that a Windows + Excel user can be making and receiving LN payments with a few clicks." https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/1055159992733626368 11:55 < molz> roasbeef, problem solved for windows users ^^ :D 11:55 < molz> and.. the lightning-app :D 12:00 < booyah> molz: wut?? 12:00 < booyah> ah, plugin 12:01 * booyah not sure if no one will use that, or if everyone 12:06 < waxwing> it's such an awful idea that it's actually brilliant :) 12:09 < molz> waxwing, yeah haha.. i knew some lusers would say bad stuff about excel+windows+windowsusers.. already saw that on reddit, but it's like "you can't expect windows users to go away if all you can do is shitting on them" 12:16 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 12:19 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:20 -!- marijnfs__ [~marijnfs@2a01:c23:b814:de00:dc7:a19d:128a:3143] has joined #lnd 12:26 -!- bitconner 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<@roasbeef> queip: yeh lnd is static 13:31 <@roasbeef> rafalcpp: can just cross compile, and then bundle with the app or w/e 13:32 <@roasbeef> queip: thought iOS doesn't let background processes at all? 13:32 <@roasbeef> waxwing: at one point, travis stopped enforcing -s, we're adding it back tho 13:33 <@roasbeef> the lnd+excel stuff is somehow so wrong, that it's actually right 13:34 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: you see https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/496 ? 13:35 < BlueMatt> y'all should update your docs though admittedly yours are a bit cleaner in terms of preventing such bugs than some others 13:38 <@roasbeef> i think everyone implements it correctly? 13:38 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: the problem isnt if you do, more about if your clients do 13:38 <@roasbeef> > andd the lnd/c-lightning docs need to clarify this as they appear to indicate to users they can do this. 13:38 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: eg a user looking at acinq's docs would very reasonably assume that channel_id is something they can use as a key to lookup and track channels 13:38 <@roasbeef> do what? 13:39 <@roasbeef> we never expose the temp channel id 13:39 <@roasbeef> on the api 13:39 <@roasbeef> the channel doesn't exist until it gets a proper chan id 13:39 < BlueMatt> ah, ok, I wasnt 100% sure cause your docs for PendingChannel weren't filled out fully 13:40 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: what do you expose to users to let them track pending channels pre-funding? 13:40 < BlueMatt> or is there no tracking available between the rpc call to create a channel and the channel getting funded? 13:41 <@roasbeef> the outpoint of the funding transaction (called the chan point on the api) 13:41 < BlueMatt> no, pre-funding, ie pre-channel_id 13:41 < BlueMatt> well, if its outbound pre-accept_channel 13:41 <@roasbeef> the tracking is in the response of the call, we stream back updates to the client 13:41 < BlueMatt> ok, so there's no persistent id of the thing aside from the local connection 13:42 <@roasbeef> pre-accept channel, we don't persist anything, so if lnd dies or w/e, we don't continue that, all outputs are freed, etc 13:42 < BlueMatt> yea, sure, there's nothing to persist, I just meant in terms of the api telling users "yes, the channel you requested, I'm working on it, waiting on accept_channel" 13:43 * BlueMatt still finds it kinda absurd you have to create your own ids for such channels just to avoid adding a requirement that temporary_channel_ids are random 32 byte strings, but whatever 13:44 < BlueMatt> this is definitely gonna cause a bug somewhere at some point 13:45 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: so currently there's no way to query for "that channel I said to open, what is its state?" except to stay connected on a result? 13:47 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- marijnfs__ [~marijnfs@x5f720d98.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:51 -!- marij786 [~marijnfs@2a01:c23:b814:de00:dc7:a19d:128a:3143] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- ezzzy 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their like one-pager) 13:59 < BlueMatt> obviously if you're just rejecting duplicative values sending the same values in round-robin is also fine 14:00 < BlueMatt> as long as they're unique and not something some other random peer is gonna use 14:00 < BlueMatt> but that is *super* trivial to make happen 14:00 < BlueMatt> point is the protocol here has interactions with higher-level apis because info like channel id gets exposed, even if not in lnd/c-lightning cause they have higher-level apis 14:03 <@roasbeef> ok so it's a library or client facing issue then? 14:03 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has joined #lnd 14:03 < BlueMatt> its both 14:03 <@roasbeef> "gets exposed", only if you do so? it's a transient id and can even be re-used (the temp chan id) 14:03 < BlueMatt> its a protocol detail that ends up being a client-side issue 14:03 <@roasbeef> idk, guess i don't really see it as something super important to clarify rn, admist all the other things in the spec or extensions of it 14:04 <@roasbeef> if you choose so... 14:06 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06 -!- ezzzy [~ezzzy@unaffiliated/ezzzy] has joined #lnd 14:07 < BlueMatt> roasbeef: I dont think its super critical, but its trivial to clarify and currently, afaik, all clients already implement the proposed clarification...plus someone will eventually fuck it up 14:07 < BlueMatt> in any case, point being it needs to be clarified one way or another 14:07 < BlueMatt> either we clarify it to make temp chan id unique 14:07 < BlueMatt> or we dont and clarify that people have to be careful how they use it 14:07 < BlueMatt> which the pr above does 14:07 < BlueMatt> mcause people already fucked up 14:08 < BlueMatt> well, at least based on eclair's docs, which, again, aren't very fleshed out so I may be misreading, but that itself should be indication :p 14:56 -!- ztoshy [~user@089144220113.atnat0029.highway.webapn.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00 -!- 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