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I am developing an neighrborhood marketplace and my plan is goin 100% LN 07:50 < alejj> i need some help 07:50 < alejj> We will run a software (style Craiglist and OLX) as an app with classief announces 07:51 < alejj> I am a LN lover since first time 07:51 < alejj> i read (10 times the WP) 07:51 < C-Otto> alejj: welcome! what is your question? 07:52 < alejj> https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf 07:52 < alejj> this is the last version right? 07:52 < C-Otto> alejj: you might want to look into the RFCs at https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc 07:52 < C-Otto> That's the current state of the specification 07:53 < C-Otto> alejj: this channel is about the lnd implementation, do you have a non-generic LN question? 07:53 -!- attilio [~attilio@cm-84.212.250.111.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:54 < alejj> cool, i am not actually a very highlevel developer lol i am trying to convince my devs to run 100% ligntning 07:54 < alejj> i would like to help with local adoption with LN 07:54 < alejj> where is the best place to find LND communyt supporters? 08:02 < Varunram> Here is good, but there’s a slack as well iirc 08:09 < alejj> awesome, i would like to know the fast way to use directly a LN wallet like acinq one in my app. I just want to allow people to offchain tx for deposits and withdrawal 08:11 < alejj> and make all the payments inside the marketplace with ligntning payments 08:12 < molz> alejj, do you have a question? 08:13 < molz> alejj, btw, the Lightning white paper is very outdated, all 3 Lightning implementations follow the protocol described in the RFCs 08:14 < alejj> i would like to know the fast way to use directly a LN wallet like acinq one in my app 08:15 -!- JackH [~laptop@host86-175-127-233.range86-175.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 08:17 < molz> alejj, i have no clue about your app, but have you checked out how LND works? 08:19 < alejj> yes i have, but not in the development point of view 08:19 < alejj> just looking for some help 08:19 < alejj> thanks anyway 08:22 < booyah> alejj: sounds cool 08:24 < alejj> there is any scrow system in LN? or a need to build one? 08:25 < molz> what's a "scrow system"? 08:25 < alejj> a way to fix a price and hold funds for a couple of days 08:31 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@81.17.246.108] has joined #lnd 08:32 < C-Otto> escrow? 08:34 < molz> alejj, you need to understand how Lightning works to find out if this is for you 08:36 < alejj> sorry i didnt mean scrows, i mean the channel it self 08:36 -!- frts [ae4660df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.70.96.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:36 < C-Otto> alejj: I'm unable to follow, maybe it helps to ask a precise question? 08:37 < molz> i think first off, find out how LN works 08:37 < alejj> can it be the 144 blocks adapted to toher ammount? 08:37 < Veggen> well...an LN payment in itself is sort of escrow until it's settled to the destination ? 08:37 < alejj> yes 08:38 < lndbot> You can change the csv value 08:38 < alejj> or untill the payment is not closed by any reason 08:38 < molz> Veggen, i'd rather not add more mumbo jumbo terminology to Lightning 08:38 < molz> and soon someone will say "lightning is an IOU" 08:38 < Veggen> molz: but it sort of is :) one that is guaranteed by a smart contract and not a third partu. 08:40 < alejj> i have understood routing in the channels point of view, where i can find more info about the routing in nodes? 08:42 < alejj> i dont find info about how long can a payments channel can go in different nodes 08:44 < molz> Veggen, an escrow can be refunded, it's a contingent deposit, is lightning the same way? 08:44 < molz> and im done with this convo 08:49 < alejj> channels are the scrow without scrow, it depends on the status of the peers for example, not in any thirdparty 08:53 < booyah> alejj: 144 grace period for force-closing a channel, can be configured to some degree. In future I hope it will be fully configurable 08:58 -!- marijnfs_ [~marijnfs@2a01:c23:c02b:600:a56a:af90:5a0a:470e] has joined #lnd 08:59 -!- attilio [~attilio@cm-84.212.250.111.getinternet.no] has joined #lnd 08:59 < booyah> alejj: also, what the hell is a "scrow"? :P merriam-webster dictionary tells me it is a kind of screw. What? Do you mean "escrow"? 09:03 < alejj> lol 09:03 < alejj> sorry 09:03 < alejj> yes 09:04 < booyah> alejj: LN channel is avoiding all the problems people associate with "escrow" 09:04 < booyah> you do not need to trust no one, no one can steal your LN ballance 09:05 -!- marijnfs_ [~marijnfs@2a01:c23:c02b:600:a56a:af90:5a0a:470e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05 < alejj> yes i uses the wrong word 09:05 < booyah> as long as you, or ANY computer (that you do not have trust too much, they steal can not steal) can manage to be online around every 144 blocks, which is also configurable 09:06 < alejj> do you think is viable if i use an only LN wallet on my app? 09:06 < alejj> so the offchain works in the back end? 09:07 < alejj> how risky is today goin full in mainnet? i still see many wallets on BTCt 09:08 < booyah> alejj: I think it is viable, but keep in mind LN is a beta... so if your app is beta too, and expects to have few months before being solid, then I would go for it 09:08 < booyah> but still you can support on-chain payments too, maybe, at least via a gateway 09:08 < booyah> each user has own wallet there? 09:10 < alejj> i expect to use only one BTC adress to depositsthat opens automaticly an channel with the app in the backend 09:11 < alejj> so they can trade between them 09:11 < alejj> connected to the app/main node (of his city) 09:13 < alejj> *** not only one BTC adress, sorry, one for each user 09:13 < alejj> but the front end only show lighning network 09:15 < booyah> alejj: how will you onboard the users, e.g. you assume they will already known BTC? or know LN? or not required 09:17 -!- alejj [5b744ffe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.116.79.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:37 < C-Otto> I don't understand why LND computes a fee of 0 for a routing step, could you explain? 09:37 < C-Otto> lncli queryroutes --dest 024d2387409269f3b79e2708bb39b895c9f4b6a8322153af54eba487d4993bf60f --amt 10000 --num_max_routes 1 09:37 < C-Otto> That uses chan 605575820271943680 which has base fee 1 and fee rate 09:37 < C-Otto> 1 09:38 < C-Otto> even if I take the policy of the other node, the result should be more than 0 (there is a non-zero base fee) 09:39 < C-Otto> I'll head to slack :) 09:40 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 10:04 -!- marijnfs_ [~marijnfs@2a03:8600:1001:1013::1003] has joined #lnd 10:21 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has joined #lnd 10:22 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:26 < C-Otto> (got it) 10:46 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has quit [Quit: See You Later] 10:49 -!- maurris [~maurris@unaffiliated/maurris] has joined #lnd 10:59 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 11:00 -!- marijnfs_ [~marijnfs@2a03:8600:1001:1013::1003] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@81.17.246.108] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 11:02 -!- farmerwampum 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Data loss protect resending (master...data-loss-protect-resending) https://git.io/fA9nU 18:47 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-juiariysdxhtxrrf] has left #lnd [] 19:10 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:7c84:b81e:832:a4a] has joined #lnd 19:14 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-ndlficifctrqdfve] has joined #lnd 19:14 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef opened pull request #2221: rpc: properly set output index in OpenChannelSync resp (master...open-channel-sync-fix) https://git.io/fpEzw 19:14 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-ndlficifctrqdfve] has left #lnd [] 19:14 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:7c84:b81e:832:a4a] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:45 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:7c84:b81e:832:a4a] has joined #lnd 19:50 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:7c84:b81e:832:a4a] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:03 -!- zib [zib@slick.hkt0.keff.org] has quit [Ping 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