--- Day changed Wed Dec 19 2018 00:00 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 00:04 < ekiro_> Also if the goal is to drive user engagement and adoption then you have to design a UI/UX that will give them the best possible experience and engineer the code to deliver it. 00:05 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:05 < ekiro_> Having to design a UI/UX with the given functionality today is impossible 00:06 < ekiro_> Think of it as reverse engineering design 00:06 < molz> ekiro_, please stop spamming this channel 00:11 <@roasbeef> molz: what's the error there? 00:11 <@roasbeef> this is fromthe instructions in the readme? 00:12 < molz> roasbeef, this error is from compiling 00:12 <@roasbeef> hmm 00:12 < molz> on both windows and linux mint i got the same error 00:12 <@roasbeef> npm install should pull everything in 00:14 < Veggen> ekiro: First swe need to make everything more reliable, then we (or you?) can automate more. 00:15 < Veggen> (that was my only input to the discussion, I believe. it's a moot discussion point at this stage. Akin to someone coming to Ford and say "noone will use this. ypu need to have automatic gears and cruise control!" 00:19 < ekiro_> I guess it's easier to just use core w/o ln and just wait for other people to develop it to the point where it actually becomes simply usable. I dunno why I even bothered. 00:20 < ekiro_> But I do appreciate those working to make it happen 00:20 <@roasbeef> ekiro_: automated systems for mangaing channels do exist 00:20 <@roasbeef> you took the most raw route possible, being manually running lnd and opening a channel yourselves 00:21 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:21 < molz> roasbeef, should i submit an issue on lightning labs? 00:21 <@roasbeef> yeh 00:21 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 00:23 -!- ekiro_ [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro_] 00:23 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 00:28 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 00:37 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:37 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 00:42 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 00:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 00:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 00:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 01:05 -!- zac_ [528267cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.130.103.207] has joined #lnd 01:06 < zac_> I have a noob question. I have LND and bitcoind running on my machine, and I have some money in my LND wallet ("lncli walletbalance" shows funds). But I have no idea how to open a channel to any one who is willing to respond to that request. All my openchannel commands resulted in pending channels that were never "ack'ed" from the other side. Do we need to get offline confirmation from some other party that they are willing to accept a ch 01:12 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 01:17 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29 -!- zac_ [528267cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.130.103.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:37 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:38 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #lnd 01:46 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 01:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 01:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 01:50 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 01:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 02:03 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@87.101.92.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:06 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 02:18 -!- nflaig [3e9ef4b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.158.244.180] has joined #lnd 02:19 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 02:19 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 02:20 < nflaig> I'm currently on the testnet how do I make my node announce a public IP? 02:23 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 02:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 02:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 02:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 02:30 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 02:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 02:58 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 02:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 02:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 03:03 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:03 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 03:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 03:34 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wavsvuexpffsdikg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 03:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 03:36 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:37 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 03:38 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 03:39 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 03:39 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 03:41 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:48 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 03:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 03:50 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 03:53 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 04:11 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 04:15 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:16 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16 < Veggen> zac: an openchannel is an on-chain transaction. 04:16 < Veggen> so it needs to be confirmed for channel to become active. 04:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 04:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 04:28 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 04:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 04:31 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 04:32 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ksbegnphksigokpz] has joined #lnd 04:40 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 04:42 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 04:45 < nflaig> how can I test if my lightning node has a reachable public ip? for some reason my node does not show up on testnet explorer 04:45 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:47 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 04:51 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:52 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 04:54 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:55 < Veggen> first, explorer is not authorative, really. 04:55 < Veggen> it's just some random nodes view of the world. It can also take some time until it learns about it. 04:56 < Veggen> you also need open channels etc. 04:59 < nflaig> yeah probably have to wait a bit also my ipv4 address is not static do i need to change my lightning config all time my ip changes or is there a better way? 04:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 04:59 < Veggen> https://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ 04:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 04:59 < Veggen> how often does it change? 05:00 < Veggen> there are nat and upnp support, but I haven't testet it myself., My dynamic ip address is static enough that I dn't bother. 05:02 < Veggen> also various tricks you can use so that you only need to restart when the ip changes (but for that, you'd need to periodically run some scripts ) 05:03 < nflaig> upnp is not supported by my router and i think my IP changes once a week 05:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 05:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 05:04 < Veggen> can you open a port through it and make it work no matter what your ip address is? 05:05 < Veggen> if so, you can run a script where you use an external URL which reports the ip address it sees to find what your ip address is. 05:06 < nflaig> i just checked my ports on and it says that my ports are closed...I configured something on my router i guess that didn't work my 18333 for btc testnet is closed aswell apparently 05:07 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 05:09 < Veggen> well, you need to fix that. 05:09 < Veggen> that's obviously router specific stuff. 05:09 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:13 < nflaig> actually it gets to my lnd node and I get the following: Can't accept connection: unable to accept connection from 198.199.98.246:59755: EOF 05:15 < nflaig> thanks for the help i think it works now for the dynamic ip thing i need to figure something out i guess 05:16 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-yskvbreeymmywqaw] has joined #lnd 05:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] joostjager opened pull request #2347: utxonursery: mock sweeper in tests (master...sweeper-mock) https://git.io/fpjLm 05:16 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-yskvbreeymmywqaw] has left #lnd [] 05:19 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 05:21 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:24 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 05:29 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 05:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 05:37 < Veggen> no problem. 05:38 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 05:39 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 05:41 < Veggen> https://medium.com/@stadicus/perfect-low-cost-%EF%B8%8Flightning%EF%B8%8F-node-4c2f42a4ff7b in point 8 has some ideas. 05:41 < Veggen> (for discovering the external ip address) 05:41 < Veggen> I use that strategy, but my ip address doesn't change that often. 05:43 < booyah_> questoin from #bitcoin - how to make sure you do not lose any BTC if node crashes and burns (the server). 05:43 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 05:44 < booyah_> how to make proper backups? do such backups restore "forward" also, that is any things received AFTER backup was made? 05:44 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 05:44 < booyah_> how to do a backup "each minut", can it be done on live server eg with rpc? 05:45 < booyah_> berndj: ^ 05:46 < booyah_> if I know I need 3 days to restart server, how to make sure my channels will have 3*144 grace period or more? 05:47 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 05:47 < Veggen> static channel backups is in a PR now. hey'll rely on "data protection", and will enable you to get those channels force-closed based upon the info your channel partner have - if he has dlp (data link protection?) support. 05:49 < Veggen> those are static, and need to be taken only each time you open new channels or such. 05:49 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 05:49 < booyah_> Veggen: who stores for me the cryptographic proof of last state, how much money I had? 05:49 < booyah_> maybe this should tie into watchtowers? 05:50 < Veggen> data-loss-protect, it's called. 05:50 < booyah_> them being my online watchtowers but also online backups 05:50 < ekiro> how come my walletbalance is always differennt everytime i check? 05:50 < ekiro> 1hr ago it was: 05:50 < ekiro> "total_balance": "688385", 05:50 < ekiro> "confirmed_balance": "215461", 05:50 < ekiro> "unconfirmed_balance": "472924" 05:50 < booyah_> Veggen: but this is related problem, that during when your server burns, also a peer could try to publish older state 05:50 < ekiro> now it is: 05:50 < ekiro> "total_balance": "439734", 05:50 < ekiro> "confirmed_balance": "320871", 05:50 < ekiro> "unconfirmed_balance": "118863" 05:50 < Veggen> ekiro: you are opening channels. 05:51 < ekiro> i did not. does it do this automatically? 05:51 < Veggen> ekiro: if you enable autopilot, it does. 05:51 < ekiro> ah 05:52 < Veggen> booyahg: yah, so watchtowers will probably also be part of solution. 05:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 05:54 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 05:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 05:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 06:02 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 06:07 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:10 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-182-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:14 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 06:14 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 06:16 < berndj> ah, thanks for the highlight. didn't see it till now 06:19 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 06:22 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 06:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 06:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 06:29 -!- guest [5d76109a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.118.16.154] has joined #lnd 06:34 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 06:37 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 06:41 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 06:41 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-131-210-193.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:46 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:59 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 06:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 06:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 07:02 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 07:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 07:10 < ekiro> is it possible to move coins out of ln and back into your regular wallet? 07:10 < ekiro> core wallet 07:16 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 07:21 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:23 < nflaig> veggen you linked me the script to get my external ip and that seems to work fine now i can print my ip with cat /run/publicip but how can i use it in the lnd.conf file and set it? 07:31 < molz> ekiro, yes 07:38 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 07:38 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 07:48 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 07:49 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 07:50 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:51 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 08:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 08:27 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 08:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 08:29 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 08:31 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:32 -!- djyoungcity [41be1bb5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.190.27.181] has joined #lnd 08:33 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 08:34 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 08:43 -!- guest [5d76109a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.118.16.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:45 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:46 < djyoungcity> anyone wanna help me out with some TLS issues ? 08:46 < djyoungcity> all SubConns are in TransientFailure, latest connection error: connection error: desc = \"transport: authentication handshake failed: x509: certificate is valid for 127.0.0.1, ::1, fe80::707b:c71f:45c:9082, 169.254.144.130, fe80::7d34:3dda:d899:f01a, 192.168.1.149, fe80::9da0:a37e:fc6e:ffae, 192.168.56.1, fe80::5efe:c0a8:195, fe80::100:7f:fffe, fe80::5efe:c0a8:3801, 65.190.27.181, not 0.0.0.0\ 08:47 < djyoungcity> getting that with all REST calls. I have tried using the tlsextraip config in the config file, and it doesnt seem to help 08:50 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 08:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 08:59 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 09:03 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 09:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 09:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 09:04 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 09:05 < ekiro> when do pending channels become active channels? 09:05 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 09:05 < lndbot> when they’re confirmed and the other side is around 09:07 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:09 < ekiro> where can i find the tx address of the payment sent to the channel 09:09 < ekiro> so i can monitor its confirms 09:09 < ekiro> i cleared the screen when it was displayed 09:10 < lndbot> you can look in pending channels 09:10 < lndbot> or in listchannels 09:10 < ekiro> i dont see any txn ids 09:10 < ekiro> is it channel_point ? 09:11 < lndbot> yes it’s the first value 09:12 < ekiro> I see 09:12 < ekiro> How many confirms does it need? 09:12 < ekiro> 128? 09:13 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15 < molz> no, only 3, you're probably on some funky docker or crappy rpi? 09:15 < molz> restart your lnd 09:15 < ekiro> yes rpi 09:16 < ekiro> got 2 confirms 09:16 < ekiro> so it should go active soon 09:19 < ekiro> So whenever I deal with a new merchant I will always have to open a channel with them first? Then I have to wait for it to confirm. It basically makes me wait like 30min before I can complete the checkout. 09:20 < Veggen> nflaig: I use it in a startup script and put it on the command line. 09:21 < Veggen> A=`cat /car/run/publicip`; lnd --externalip=A 09:22 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:23 < Veggen> lnd --externalip=$A that should be. 09:23 < ekiro> and what would that do 09:23 < Talkless> /car/run :) 09:23 < Veggen> Talkless: uh :) well. 09:24 < Talkless> echo "100" | /car/fuel_tank :)) 09:25 < Talkless> ekiro: you don't have to open channel with every merchant. You can open channels to some noes you select, or enable autopilot and do it's job. Once channels are alive, lnd will route payments via them to the merchants. 09:25 < Talkless> noes=nodes 09:25 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 09:26 < ekiro> i have autopiolet enabled 09:27 < ekiro> and it looks like i have 4 peers 09:27 < ekiro> but when i tried to pay blockstream's invoice i get an error... unable to route 09:27 < ekiro> so now i am opening up a channel with them 09:27 < ekiro> does this mean autopilot failed? 09:30 < Veggen> ekiro: how many active channels do you have, and what size? 09:30 < Veggen> ...and autopilot isn't that good at picking optimal places to open channels :) 09:31 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD is now known as ctrlbreak 09:31 < ekiro> Veggen 0 active, 4 in pending_open_channels 09:32 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32 < Veggen> then you can't use them yet :) 09:32 < ekiro> but they have been pending for like 12hrs 09:32 < Veggen> with lncli pendingchannels you can get the funding txid that you can look up in any block explorer. 09:34 < ekiro> 3/4 have been pending for like 4 hours and have 0 confirms 09:34 < ekiro> 1/4 has been pending for about 40 min for 2 confirms 09:34 < ekiro> which is the one i opened with blockstream 09:34 < ekiro> 3 of them were created by autopilot i assume 09:34 < ekiro> but they seem hung 09:34 < Veggen> ok, after 3 confirms you should be able to use it. 09:35 < ekiro> right but what about the other pending ones 09:35 < ekiro> which i assume autopilot created 09:35 < ekiro> why are they stuck 09:35 < Veggen> fees have been rising since then. 09:35 < Veggen> on-chain fees. 09:35 < ekiro> ah 09:35 < ekiro> so they are stuck in mempool 09:35 < lndbot> I wouldn’t us autopilot on mainnet 09:36 < Veggen> ekiro: yup, they'll have to wait for fees to come down again :) 09:36 < ekiro> hmmm 09:37 < ekiro> definietly looks like something that could be improved 09:37 < Veggen> alexbosworh: any plans for RBF on funding tx'es? 09:37 < ekiro> also when i open a channel with someone, is it advised to put more in than i will spend? i hear the bigger the channels the more capacity for the network. this correct? 09:38 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:38 < ekiro> say i will only spend .1btc with a merchant. but i put 1btc in the channel. 09:38 < lndbot> There’s plans for describing RBF flows for funding tx in BOLT 1.1 09:39 < lndbot> You can currently use the change to do a CPFP if you set minconfirms=0 09:39 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 09:39 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 09:39 < lndbot> You should try to put enough capacity in a channel so that it will not have to be closed 09:40 < Veggen> yup, idea is to use channels for more than 1 tx, of course. 09:40 < ekiro> indeed 09:40 < ekiro> also auto recurring payments is possible with LND now right? 09:41 < ekiro> im guessing this is one reason why channels are useful 09:41 < Veggen> ekiro: not in the protocol itself. 09:41 < lndbot> You have to implement that part yourself there’s no standard protocol for negotiating repeat payments 09:42 < ekiro> i see 09:42 < lndbot> We don’t even have push payments yet 09:43 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 09:44 < ekiro> fucking finally 09:44 < ekiro> paid my first invoice with lightning 09:44 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 09:44 < ekiro> i gotta say that was pretty cool, but frustrating to get to 09:44 < lndbot> grats 09:44 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 09:44 < ekiro> i hit enter in terminal and the browser instantly said success (blockstream store) 09:44 < ekiro> was super fast 09:45 < lndbot> nothing worth having comes easy 09:46 < djyoungcity> why am I getting a "Not Found" json response when i try to hit this endpoint using REST ? 09:46 < djyoungcity> https://127.0.0.1:8282/v1/getinfo 09:46 < djyoungcity> i cant get any real response on REST 09:46 < tuxx> has anyone looked into locking down lnd inside a seccomp container, by restricting the available systemcalls 09:47 < djyoungcity> sometimes I get TLS handshake failures, and cannot for the life of me solve them 09:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 09:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 09:50 < ekiro> when did mainnet go live? 09:52 < ekiro> looks like april 09:53 < lndbot> there was a small network a year ago 09:53 < djyoungcity> "live" is a moving target 09:53 < djyoungcity> as alex said, there were people on mainnet last december 09:53 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 09:54 < djyoungcity> here were some stats from March 09:54 < djyoungcity> General Data: Date: 20180322203347575 Block Hash: 0000000000000000004825cf93a5a43f45002b2b02c49b599ad642849df56237 Block: 514740 Nodes: 1013 Channels: 1932 Total Capacity: 5.08831735 BTC Average Channels Per Node: 1.90720632 Channels Average Capacity Per Channel: 0.00263370 BTC Average Capacity Per Node: 0.00502301 BTC 09:55 < ekiro> how come it has progressed so little in all of 2018 09:59 < djyoungcity> the capacity has grown quite a bit, and is growing everyday, fast growth is not recommended on software that is still considered beta 10:07 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 10:07 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 10:09 < Talkless> [19:44] paid my first invoice with lightning 10:09 < Talkless> congrats! :) 10:09 < Talkless> go buy some pixels, and steam games :) 10:11 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:13 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:15 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 10:19 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 10:19 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 10:23 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 10:24 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 10:36 < nflaig> veggen your startup script works fine for me the only thing im missing now is that my lnd restarts if my ip changes but im fine with how it is now 10:38 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 10:39 < tuxx> does anyone have lnd running natively right now? :D 10:39 < tuxx> i'd be interested in this: 10:39 < tuxx> strace -c -Ff -S name bash ls 2>&1 1>/dev/null | tail -n +3 | head -n -2 | awk '{print $(NF)}' 10:39 < tuxx> oops... 10:39 < tuxx> strace -c -Ff -S name lnd 2>&1 1>/dev/null | tail -n +3 | head -n -2 | awk '{print $(NF)}' 10:41 < Talkless> tuxx: I do 10:42 < tuxx> Talkless: i think that command requires lnd to terminate before dumping the statistics... you'd have to kill it from another shell 10:42 < tuxx> but that will dump every systemcall that lnd requires during regular operation 10:42 < Talkless> what do you want to get from it? 10:42 < Talkless> you can use ssydig without restarting 10:42 < tuxx> Talkless: a list of required systemcalls 10:42 < Talkless> and you can attach sytrace with -p to process too 10:43 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 10:43 < Talkless> tuxx: wanna setup seccomp or what? 10:43 < tuxx> but i need to see all systemcalls including those when starting the process 10:43 < tuxx> Talkless: exactly. for docker 10:43 < tuxx> trying to build a profile to lock it down 10:43 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:43 < tuxx> i guess i can run it in docker run --privileged and do it myself 10:43 < Talkless> I'm using AppArmor 10:43 < tuxx> you can use both.. that was my plan too 10:44 < tuxx> but i dont really know much abt apparmor to be honest 10:44 < Talkless> well, yeah, seccomp would increase sec. a lot 10:44 < tuxx> yea i wld put it on github as a hardening lnd guide 10:45 < Talkless> tuxx: I'm a bit reluctant to restart lnd, it's a heawyheight operatin for my puny arm node :)) 10:45 < tuxx> no worries 10:45 < Talkless> and it's on arm bth, so syscalls might differ no? 10:45 < tuxx> i can run privilegd 10:46 < tuxx> Talkless: hmm i think the syscalls should be pretty much the same 10:46 < tuxx> i mean syscalls are an abstraction of hw 10:46 < tuxx> but no worries, i can run my docker in --privileged 10:46 < tuxx> https://dpaste.de/K98V 10:47 < tuxx> you can pipe that strace command into this python program to generate a profile 10:47 < Talkless> yeah, some arch might be _missing_ syscalls, but right, they should be the same 10:47 < tuxx> Talkless: agreed. 10:48 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 10:49 < ekiro> Can you make money running a lightning node? 10:49 < ekiro> Say I were to store 1btc on it 10:50 < buZz> ekiro: some ppl say so 10:51 < ekiro> how does it work 10:51 < ekiro> I figure if i risk 1btc and store it on there and run the node every day 365 days a year 10:51 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-iiachhciwmijvcmt] has joined #lnd 10:51 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #2349: autopilot/manager: only set m.pilot if started successfully (master...autopilot-pilot-error-reset) https://git.io/fpjXz 10:51 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-iiachhciwmijvcmt] has left #lnd [] 10:51 < ekiro> maybe it will generate some extra bucks 10:52 < ekiro> to cover the cost of keeping it powered and then some 10:56 < molz> ekiro, please don't 10:56 < ekiro> why not 10:57 < molz> so i don't want to see you come back with more nasty complaints how bad ln is 10:57 < ekiro> lol 10:57 < molz> currently there's no money to be made on ln unless you're a super well liked merchant 10:57 < ekiro> obviously once i'd do it once i master it 10:58 < tuxx> Talkless: sudo docker run --rm --security-opt seccomp=lnd.json lnd ./start-lnd.sh 10:58 < tuxx> now it just hangs here :D 10:58 < tuxx> super weird :) 11:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 11:04 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 11:08 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 11:09 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 11:09 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-qpgusazekrkkxtfu] has joined #lnd 11:09 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] halseth opened pull request #2350: [Autopilot] Add heuristic dry-run option (master...autopilot-dryrun-only) https://git.io/fpjMX 11:09 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-qpgusazekrkkxtfu] has left #lnd [] 11:11 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 11:16 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17 < nflaig> im on the testnet and get the following error: [ERR] CMGR: Can't accept connection: unable to accept connection from 23.251.130.188:54882: EOF anyone knows what it happening for some reason i also dont see my node on the explorer even tho my externalip is set and the port is reachable 11:20 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:29 < tuxx> docker seccomp is weird 11:30 < molz> nflaig, probably that node is offline 11:30 < molz> nflaig, and explorers aren't authoritative 11:33 < nflaig> but it is a incoming connection i think 11:33 < nflaig> if i use https://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ and test it on my ip and port 9735 i get the same error 11:36 < nflaig> how can i test for myself if my node is reachable? 11:36 < molz> nflaig, is port 9735 opened? 11:37 < nflaig> the port is open on my router thats why if i test it i get: Can't accept connection: unable to accept connection from 198.199.98.246:56575: EOF 11:37 < nflaig> so something reaches my node for sure 11:38 < nflaig> but i also get this error even if i dont ping my own ip and port 11:39 < Talkless> nflaig: tell me your IP in private chat, I'll try open connection from my lnd 11:41 < Talkless> nflaig: maybe somehting's wrong with network config, maybe default gateway is not proerly set, so your OS does not send ack back or smthg, and connection timeouts. 11:43 < Talkless> nflaig: if your'e on Linux, try "traceroute 198.199.98.246" 11:44 < nflaig> i didnt get any errors running it 11:44 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Quit: farmerwampum] 11:44 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 11:45 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 11:45 < Talkless> lets' say that node is just defuct, I guess you can ignore that error. 11:45 < Talkless> defunct* 11:47 < Talkless> nflaig: if you get that error from "open-ports" web helper, is it's just some sort of short-lived conenction, a scan. So maybe you see other port scans too, as they are not "real", "final" lnd connections 11:47 < Talkless> nflaig: I'll scan your prot, just a sec 11:48 < Talkless> nflaig: nmap says host is up, do you see same/similar error? 11:48 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has quit [Client Quit] 11:49 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@184.75.220.66] has joined #lnd 11:49 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:25 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 12:30 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:33 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:41 < tuxx> nice... i have a somewhat working seccomp profile for lnd :) 12:46 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53 < molz> tuxx, did you manage to get the lightning-app compiled? 12:54 < tuxx> molz: bro its very easy to compile.. the trick is to use node:10 like it says in the .travis.yml 12:55 < tuxx> literally 4 lines of Dockerfile :) 12:55 < tuxx> (w/o building lnd and neutrino and stuff :) 12:55 < tuxx> molz: are you familiar with seccomp? 12:55 < molz> no bro 12:55 < molz> :D 12:56 < molz> no i don't know what seccomp is 12:56 < tuxx> molz: ah well.. docker basically uses linux capabilities to containerize processes 12:56 < tuxx> and the linux kernel introduced something called seccomp which allows whitelisting/blacklisting of system calls 12:57 < tuxx> so you can basically only allow syscalls which lnd uses, so that if someone manages to get code execution, the attacker cant call arbitrary syscalls, e.g. to break out of the container 12:57 < tuxx> having a locked down seccomp would introduce alot of security 12:57 < molz> i see 12:58 < tuxx> you basically run lnd with strace once, and make a list of used syscalls and them generate a profile out of it, everything else -> forbidden 12:58 < tuxx> pretty sweet 12:58 < tuxx> could further be used with apparmor as talkless suggested 12:59 < tuxx> roasbeef: you there? 12:59 < tuxx> molz: are you german btw? 13:00 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:04 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 13:09 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:14 < molz> nope :) 13:24 -!- nflaig [3e9ef4b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.158.244.180] has left #lnd [] 13:24 < tuxx> molz: ah because you pasted a .de pastebin url :) 13:24 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:26 < molz> tuxx, lol i thought that was why you asked, when i used paste.ee someone asked me if i was from estonia :) 13:26 < tuxx> you're from everywhere 13:26 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 13:31 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 13:32 -!- Osso [~osso@2605:6000:1521:8388::3] has joined #lnd 13:33 -!- Osso [~osso@2605:6000:1521:8388::3] has quit [Client Quit] 13:34 < molz> lol 13:34 < molz> ok so i guess i need to update my nodejs then i won't have any errors compiling this app? 13:34 < tuxx> https://pastebin.com/Y5eu6KL7 13:35 < tuxx> thats a seccomp profile for lnd.. i'll lockdown a bit further by matching with the default.json 13:35 < tuxx> but this works at least already 13:45 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 13:49 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:15 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 14:23 < ekiro> hey 14:24 < ekiro> i notice a channel i just opened (satoshis.place) is in the "pending_force_closing_channels" section, even though the it has 5+ confirms 14:24 < ekiro> I didn't close it 14:24 < ekiro> Any ideas? 14:24 < lndbot> satoshis place closed it? 14:25 < ekiro> I wonder why 14:25 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 14:25 < ekiro> The reason I did it was to see if a transaction goes faster if a channel is open 14:25 < ekiro> Because right now when i pay satoshis.place it takes like 1-2 seconds (there are some hops) 14:26 < lndbot> they force close a lot 14:26 < ekiro> But my transaction with blockstream, channel open, no hops I think, took a split second 14:26 < lndbot> I’ve tried 12 times to open a channel with satoshis place and they’ve forced closed on me every time 14:26 < ekiro> I was amazed how fast it went through. I hit enter and in half a second the browser displayed a confimation message 14:27 < ekiro> but is it true that txns are faster with an open channel? 14:28 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-evxzccemlschqmly] has joined #lnd 14:28 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] sangaman opened pull request #2352: lnrpc: set JS_STRING option for chan_id (master...jstype-string) https://git.io/fpjhf 14:28 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-evxzccemlschqmly] has left #lnd [] 14:28 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:32 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 14:40 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43 < molz> i think satoshis.place is still running c-lightning 14:43 < molz> it's not a stabe node though, i closed my channel to that node a long time ago 14:49 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5::ddf0] has joined #lnd 14:51 < tuxx> c-lightning scares me 14:56 <@roasbeef> booyah_: yep can tie into towers, can pay them to keep that small blob for you, before then can store it on like cloud storage or w/e 14:56 <@roasbeef> ekiro: it can change since we need to update the fees on commitment transactions 14:57 <@roasbeef> ekiro: gz on your first payment! 14:57 < ekiro> do your best to make it run even fater 14:57 < ekiro> faster 14:57 < ekiro> i was super impressed how quick it went through 15:12 < molz> "num_pending_channels": 7, 15:12 < molz> "num_active_channels": 112, 15:12 < molz> "num_inactive_channels": 13, 15:16 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-bbyucbccfgotoxyv] has joined #lnd 15:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/fhefU 15:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 6ca52c4 Joost Jager: lnrpc/walletrpc: remove unused gen_proto.sh script 15:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 9e61163 Joost Jager: lnrpc: update github.com/golang/protobuf to v1.2.0... 15:16 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 78aaf86 Joost Jager: lnrpc: remove reference to GOPATH... 15:16 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-bbyucbccfgotoxyv] has left #lnd [] 15:30 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 15:31 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:35 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:35 < midnightmagic> is c-lightning rusty's? 15:35 < tuxx> roasbeef: https://github.com/tuxx42/lnd-with-seccomp/tree/master 15:36 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 15:36 < tuxx> roasbeef: i made a docker-compose environment with seccomp which locks down lnd's syscalls 15:37 < tuxx> granted the list is pretty long :) 15:37 < molz> midnightmagic, yes 15:38 < tuxx> and maybe it'll still crash here and there.. but so far it looks like its running :p 15:38 < midnightmagic> molz: Is it not stable these days? I see activity even as of 8 days ago in the repo. 15:38 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:39 < molz> midnightmagic, i'm not sure, i'm not running it on mainnet currently 15:40 < molz> midnightmagic, but satoshis.place node is on a rpi, when i had my channel to it, it was down so often, i hope Koala will do something about it 15:40 < midnightmagic> tuxx: why does running c-lightning scare you? 15:40 < tuxx> midnightmagic: because its C :) 15:40 < midnightmagic> :-C 15:41 < ekiro> ? 15:41 < ekiro> what does lncli run on 15:41 < ekiro> go? 15:41 < midnightmagic> yeesh. lol. 15:41 < molz> midnightmagic, c-lightning doesn't have data loss protection atm, might be incompatible with other impls 15:41 < ekiro> isnt C superior 15:41 < molz> no 15:41 < midnightmagic> ekiro: It is. 15:41 < midnightmagic> molz: What do you mean data-loss protection 15:41 < tuxx> definitely not superior.. its not memory safe 15:41 < ekiro> i'd assume if performance mattered C is king 15:42 < tuxx> ekiro: true. 15:42 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42 < tuxx> ekiro: i think the reasoning was that c-lightning cld run on embedded devices 15:42 < ekiro> bitcoin was coded in C for a reason 15:42 < midnightmagic> Only the C fearful tread safely. 15:42 < ekiro> lol imagine bitcoin in php 15:42 < molz> midnightmagic, somethng like this: https://medium.com/@ACINQ/adding-data-loss-protection-to-eclair-598c62494096 15:42 < tuxx> virtually on all security conferences these days the credo is.. stop using C 15:42 < midnightmagic> ekiro: c++, with c++ types and such. I wish it were written in C. If it were written in C I could have much more significantly contributed to it. 15:43 < ekiro> yup 15:43 < midnightmagic> tuxx: dogma is fashionable, indeed. 15:43 < ekiro> all i have are some very rusty php skills 15:43 < ekiro> C is way too hardcore for me 15:43 < ekiro> Go seems new and trendy. Google engineering. 15:43 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 15:44 < tuxx> midnightmagic: its not about dogma.. its simply so much easier to introduce bugs with C than it is with memory safe languages 15:44 < ekiro> In the end of the day its just anotjer lang. Use the one that will give the app ultimate success 15:44 < midnightmagic> After I debugged a harsh memory-pressure segfault in the Go runtime I stopped trusting that Go was memory-safe. :( 15:44 < tuxx> midnightmagic: mozilla is rewriting large parts of firefox to rust for a reason 15:45 < ekiro> they did well when their competitor was MSFT 15:45 < ekiro> now they compete against google/apple 15:45 < ekiro> hard competition 15:45 < ekiro> where there is big money best talent tend to flock 15:46 < midnightmagic> tuxx: Meanwhile in reality: https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1074453848385822720 15:46 < molz> midnightmagic, you could contribute to c-lightning? 15:46 < tuxx> midnightmagic: you really have to be delusional if you think rust is more secure than C 15:46 < midnightmagic> molz: I doubt it. I know very little about lightning, I'm embarassed to admit. 15:47 < ekiro> i know one thing for sure all the alts have inbred devs 15:47 < midnightmagic> tuxx: wat 15:48 < tuxx> midnightmagic: have you developed in rust? thats when you really start to learn all the mistakes that people do in C unknowingly 15:48 < tuxx> midnightmagic: look at the filed CVEs from fuzzing 9/10 projects ar eC 15:48 < tuxx> are C 15:49 < tuxx> quite literally... 15:49 < midnightmagic> tuxx: .. I'm just going to back away, because I think you're making some odd assumptions about things you don't really know about and I suspect this chat will simply go nowhere. 15:49 < midnightmagic> (e.g. what I do/know.) 15:51 < midnightmagic> no offence intended. 15:51 < tuxx> midnightmagic: i'm a pentester.. i work in IT sec. I think i know what im talking about 15:51 < tuxx> but whatever 15:51 < tuxx> its hard to smash a stack/heap if your target is likely memory safe 15:52 * midnightmagic shrugs. 15:53 < molz> well midnightmagic all ln impls need help and i'm sure c-lightning needs a lot of help :) 15:54 < molz> midnightmagic, they disabled DLP: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/2155 15:55 < midnightmagic> doh 16:10 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 16:14 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:23 < tuxx> midnightmagic: lol look what i just stumbled over 16:23 < tuxx> https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/968190530294337538 16:24 < tuxx> "Writing it in C - a notoriously dangerous language - doesn't strike me as a good idea" 16:24 < tuxx> my words precisely.. from the very person you quoted 16:25 < tuxx> but its dogma i guess from people who dont know whaat they are talking about 16:27 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 16:28 < molz> tuxx, peter todd criticized LND for using btcd as the backend too, it's easy to criticize, it's hard to lend a helping hand 16:29 < tuxx> molz: seriously.. trust me on this one.. C IS DANGEROUS 16:29 < tuxx> type confusion/memory safety/use after free are BY far the most common vulnerabilities in binaries 16:29 < molz> very easy to sit in a restaurant with your bros, drinking prune juice, and twittering away on a laptop 16:29 < tuxx> all of which are mitigated in languages like rust 16:30 < tuxx> molz: thats not the point .. its absolutely factual 16:30 < tuxx> its not bar talk 16:30 < tuxx> C is dangerous 16:30 < molz> tuxx, i believe you, but you won't stop ppl from using c 16:30 < tuxx> molz: its really shifting... 16:30 < tuxx> molz: the mentality i mean.. people are slowly moving away 16:31 < tuxx> i've had this discussion with roasbeef a while ago.. he agrees with me.. if thats an appeal to authority 16:31 < tuxx> ...for you 16:32 < tuxx> very few new security critical projects these days are started in C 16:32 < tuxx> thankfully 16:36 <@roasbeef> yeh a networked daemon in C in 2018 is scary, don't think they've done any sort of fuzz testing on their wire messge parser yet 16:38 < molz> roasbeef, does go have memory issue at all though? 16:39 < tuxx> roasbeef: i fuzzed it a while ago... actually i was thinking of generating a corpus using lnd and throwing that at c-lightning.. 16:39 < tuxx> like lcamtuf did with image parsers and threw them at internet explorer 16:39 <@roasbeef> it's memory safe, you can do unsafe stuff in special blocks though, lnd at the base level doesn't do any raw pointer management 16:39 <@roasbeef> tuxx: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/tree/master/docs/go-fuzz 16:39 <@roasbeef> tuxx: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/1895 16:39 < tuxx> roasbeef: i've seen that.. i played with it before.. i also did a wee bit of fuzzing on c-lightning 16:39 < tuxx> but barely 16:40 < tuxx> #1895 sounds like a great xmas project 16:40 < tuxx> ...i get so bored when visiting my mom :D 16:42 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 16:47 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:47 -github-neutrino:#lnd- [neutrino] wpaulino opened pull request #118: multi: remove ChainService dependency from Rescan (master...rescan-remove-chainservice) https://git.io/fheIK 17:04 <@roasbeef> and the neutrino refactorings begin... 17:04 <@roasbeef> it is known 17:04 <@roasbeef> kek 17:04 < lndbot> :P 17:05 <@roasbeef> 0.6 will be bringing some srs heat 17:06 < lndbot> I know. I’m really excited for that 17:06 < lndbot> light client will be huge 17:06 < tuxx> srs? 17:06 < tuxx> requirements specification? 17:07 < tuxx> roasbeef: did you see my docker seccomp repo for lnd? 17:08 <@roasbeef> tuxx: srs -> serious 17:08 < tuxx> i think i'll throw in some app-armor and write something up abt it on medium.. 17:09 <@roasbeef> not super famiilar w/ seccomp, locks down access to sys calls to only what the process is know to typically use? 17:09 <@roasbeef> nice 17:09 < tuxx> roasbeef: yea exactly 17:10 < tuxx> roasbeef: i straced lnd and dumped the syscalls -> allow them block everything else 17:10 < tuxx> you can also put constraints on the syscall arguments 17:11 < tuxx> roasbeef: docker relies heavily on seccomp to lock down capabilities like ptrace and stuff 17:12 <@roasbeef> nice 17:12 <@roasbeef> there's been some recent activity to fix up some quirks in our current docker set up 17:12 <@roasbeef> should be able to ge thru reviewing them later this week 17:13 < tuxx> roasbeef: i know.. i submitted some PRs 17:14 <@roasbeef> ah fsho 17:14 < tuxx> roasbeef: you dont use docker? docker is freakishly awesome.. i cant believe i only discovered how cool it is like early 2018 17:14 < ekiro> Is it true when you have lots of channels your bandwidth usage (upstream mainly) goes up significantly? Ever since I opened a few channels my upstrem has been pushing lots of data and my home connection kind of slow 17:14 <@roasbeef> i used to more in the past, but i've fallen out of use a bit, with the updates to our set up may throw it into my dev workflow again 17:15 <@roasbeef> i made stuff like https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcdmon using it in the past 17:15 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 17:15 <@roasbeef> ekiro: you can disable channel update stuff, you don't need em if you're just routing 17:15 < midnightmagic> tuxx: Why are you still bothering me. 17:15 <@roasbeef> and when you route, if you have stale info, you'll get it in the error messge 17:16 < tuxx> roasbeef: sweet with grafana visualization :D yea docker-compose is great for stuff like that 17:16 <@roasbeef> ekiro: how many chans do you have? a metter of the number of peers really, there're some inefficiencies in the way peers speak w/ each otehr rn, some low hanging fruit to fix there that're in the work for 1.1 17:16 <@roasbeef> tuxx: yeh we'll have a similar set up, but using prometheus for lnd some time early next year 17:17 < ekiro> 6/6 chsns 17:17 < tuxx> yea we use prometheus as well where i work.. 17:17 <@roasbeef> ooooOOO NICE 17:17 <@roasbeef> lol accidental caps lock 17:17 < tuxx> easily excitable.. 17:17 <@roasbeef> kek 17:18 < ekiro> you think i should turn off autopilot? my upstream is getting heavy use 17:18 <@roasbeef> check out your logs 17:19 <@roasbeef> do lncli debuglevel --level=PEER=debug 17:19 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:19 <@roasbeef> what messages do you see afterwards? or just restart lnd w/ --nochanupdates 17:20 < ekiro> nothing 17:20 < ekiro> its frozen 17:20 < ekiro> not updating 17:20 < ekiro> Dec 19 19:20:24 raspibolt lnd[814]: 2018-12-19 19:20:24.277 [INF] ATPL: Node updates received, assessing need for more channels 17:21 < ekiro> ill try --nochanupdates 17:21 < ekiro> "sub_systems": "" 17:21 < ekiro> Dec 19 19:21:46 raspibolt lnd[814]: 2018-12-19 19:21:46.055 [DBG] PEER: Received ChannelUpdate(chain_hash=000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f, short_chan_id=604128862997250048, flag=2, update_time=2018-12-19 19:21:05 -0600 CST) from 83.40.151.142:9735 17:22 < ekiro> definietly seeing lots of channelupdates 17:23 < ekiro> i must of uploaded 2gb today 17:25 < tuxx> roasbeef: ah too bad your btcdmon proj requires a custom btcd service for exporting the data 17:28 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-yetkmkbhvnhgylba] has joined #lnd 17:28 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 9 new commits to master: https://git.io/fhetA 17:28 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 516a487 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: docs: update contribution guidelines to add section on commit structure 17:28 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 0dc9b35 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: docs: add section in testing pointing towards Makefile docs 17:28 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master d1571ba Olaoluwa Osuntokun: docs: add section in contribution guidelines for unique lnd code style 17:28 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-yetkmkbhvnhgylba] has left #lnd [] 17:29 -!- frib [~dynorsau@2601:585:8502:52b5::ddf0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-igezkdtiqtrrqaiq] has joined #lnd 17:29 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef closed pull request #2347: utxonursery: mock sweeper in tests (master...sweeper-mock) https://git.io/fpjLm 17:29 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-igezkdtiqtrrqaiq] has left #lnd [] 17:31 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-cdubaouvcffsximt] has joined #lnd 17:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fheqJ 17:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master dbf7b38 Johan T. Halseth: autopilot/manager: only set m.pilot if started successfully... 17:31 -github-lnd:#lnd- lnd/master 52f1a25 Olaoluwa Osuntokun: Merge pull request #2349 from halseth/autopilot-pilot-error-reset... 17:31 -!- github-lnd [github-lnd@gateway/service/github.com/x-cdubaouvcffsximt] has left #lnd [] 17:34 <@roasbeef> tuxx: yeh it isn't really maintained atm 17:35 <@roasbeef> ekiro: yeh would try that flag, restart w/ that upload of 2bg sounds very high, check your logs to see if you have a peer reconnecting in a tight loop 17:36 <@roasbeef> ekiro: are you running a full node too? 17:36 < ekiro> yes 17:36 <@roasbeef> if you're doing IBD for peers, then the bandwidth usage can be high aalso relay traffic, for you node there's a --blocksonly mode that'll only do blocks 17:36 <@roasbeef> woudl need to double check if it'll still send out transactions or not 17:40 <@roasbeef> iirc, if using bicoind, tehre're params to limit the total upload the daemon will consume as well 17:42 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 17:47 < molz> roasbeef, if you run bitcoind with --blocksonly, your txs won't broadcast 17:48 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 17:49 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 17:50 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 17:56 < midnightmagic> roasbeef: I think you can get around that with --whitelistrelay ..? 17:56 < midnightmagic> er. molz ? 17:56 < midnightmagic> er.. no, nvm that. 17:56 < molz> midnightmagic, ? it happened to me 18:06 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 18:14 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:16 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 18:20 < midnightmagic> molz: In my node here, running version v0.17.0, with -blocksonly, running sendrawtransaction causes the tx to be sent over the wire. I think tx rebroadcasts are disabled though, as are the rest of them.. 18:25 < molz> midnightmagic, oh i haven't tested -blocksonly with txs on v0.17.0, are your txs broadcast? 18:29 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 18:29 < midnightmagic> molz: with sendrawtransaction, they showed up on another node, yes. 18:33 < molz> hm ok 18:33 < molz> but because your node doesn't have mempool you can't see the tx? 18:34 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:34 < molz> in the past when this happened i think i was on v0.12 or 13 18:42 < midnightmagic> molz: No, it's there in listtransactions with 0-conf. 19:01 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 19:02 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 19:02 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 19:03 < ekiro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZwjdGSqO0k this song sums up this journey 19:05 < molz> wondering who won the black swan 19:06 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:19 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 19:45 < ekiro> hey in theory how man tx/s can ln handle? 19:45 < ekiro> assuming it grows substantially in the next 10yrs] 19:45 < ekiro> 100k/s ? 19:46 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has joined #lnd 19:57 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 20:01 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 20:02 -!- bob8338 [~bob@191.101.22.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08 < lndbot> You can’t really describe the tps of the network that way, like how many webpages per second can be accessed on the internet? 20:08 < ekiro> i see 20:08 < ekiro> well 20:09 < ekiro> can it outperform visa/master 20:09 < ekiro> thats the big question 20:34 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:37 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:51 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [~AndBobsYo@cpe-23-240-21-154.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 20:58 < lndbot> those are custodial trust based systems 20:59 < ekiro> hm 21:00 < ekiro> well as long as it can scale for every human being to engae with it 21:00 < ekiro> then it should do fine 21:00 < ekiro> engage* 21:00 < ekiro> also wont there be some centralization happening due to channels 21:00 < ekiro> seems like major hubs will form 21:07 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has joined #lnd 21:08 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 21:10 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has quit [Quit: ekiro] 21:12 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:14 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 -!- ChunkyPuffs [~ChunkyPuf@gateway/tor-sasl/chunkypuffs] has joined #lnd 21:17 -!- ekiro [~ekiro@unaffiliated/ekiro] has joined #lnd 21:19 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-077-240-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 21:28 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 21:47 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has joined #lnd 21:51 < Veggen> ekiro: there will be nodes with more channels than others, but as you can route around them, and if some of these hubs start to act up, they'll be routed around. 21:51 < ekiro> hope so 21:51 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:53 < Veggen> it's always useful to remind oneselves on why we have bitcoin, then you won't worry all that much about outcompeting others by tx volume. 21:54 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-132-64-24.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 21:55 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #lnd 22:01 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 22:15 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29 < ekiro> indeed 22:30 < ekiro> i dunno if you guys saw this but its amazing. lnd will be the next addition to the visual :D 22:30 < ekiro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYbsq3FXfM&fbclid=IwAR2a1vC3WUkHuesP87G6CmrhMpLrpMkF2904Wa3Dkeu_jSwCMQEWNVp-bMM 22:45 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has joined #lnd 23:11 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@92.58.58.54] has joined #lnd 23:32 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@92.58.58.54] has quit [Changing host] 23:32 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has joined #lnd 23:45 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has joined #lnd 23:49 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:49 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:a0cc:6468:c649:328a] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]