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03:07 < CryptoSigmund> hello guys, i have a question about running a fullnode with lnd on top with a changing ip adress. how can i set it right so that everyone and my node is not visible on 1ml.com is there something to do?
03:12 < Talkless> CryptoSigmund: idk, maybe --nat option would help? 
03:12 < Talkless> Toggle NAT traversal support (using either UPnP or NAT-PMP) to automatically advertise your
03:12 < Talkless>                                                               external IP address to the network -- NOTE this does not support devices behind multiple NATs
03:16 < CryptoSigmund> hmm couse the node url doesnt match after a reboot. so is there some how to or do I have to edit the lnd.conf for it?
03:23 < Talkless> CryptoSigmund: let's way for some one more knowledgeable to answer
03:23 < CryptoSigmund> ok but thank you anyway
03:25 < molz> have you tried to use a VPN?
03:26 < molz> im wondering if you get a VPN static IP it can solve this issue
03:32 < CryptoSigmund> nope. so is there no other option? I'm using rapsiblitz https://github.com/rootzoll/raspiblitz and I'm not that too deep into lnd itself but i got it running and can control it over desktop and mobil app
03:33 < molz> you can always connect to other nodes even if you have a dynamic IP
03:35 < CryptoSigmund> yes thats right but I also can't see my node on 1ml.com
03:35 < CryptoSigmund> is there something to setup to get listed there?
03:36 < molz> ugh explorers aren't authoritative
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03:43 < molz> does your node have a channel?
03:45 < molz> it should show up on explorers if it has at least one channel, but i don't count on any explorer to tell me about nodes
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04:16 < CryptoSigmund> it have 3 channels open to big nodes
04:16 < CryptoSigmund> is there any other good ln explorer then 1ml.com?
04:19 < Veggen> also, remember there is a bug with describegraph stuff etc now.
04:19 < Veggen> Might also hit explorers.
04:21 < Veggen> hmm, client side setting. So unless they use lncli, maybe not.
04:22 < molz> or if the explorer hasn't been updated, they might not see your node?
04:36 < Veggen> explorers aren't any more authorative than any other node.
04:37 < Veggen> if you have channels, and they are active, then your node is on the net.
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08:21 < vindard> CryptoSig https://yalls.org/network is a pretty decent explorer as well
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08:28 < ctrlbreak> Okay... So I want to take today and 'balance' my channels... how do I do so?
08:33 < molz> ctrlbreak, https://github.com/C-Otto/rebalance-lnd/
08:35 < ctrlbreak> molz, heh... thanks!  My LND node only has 2 chans at the moment, but I'll look at the code to get an idea how it works.
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08:39 < ctrlbreak> Wasn't there a website that could produce (and illustrate/graph) potential routes between arbitrary nodes on LN?  I either didn't bookmark it, or I can't find it :-(
08:50 < Veggen> ctrlbreak: tried that one. Wouldn't always work :)
08:50 < Veggen> (rebalance-lnd)
08:51 < ctrlbreak> I've decided I'm going to adjust my rates first now (LND and cLightning)
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09:12 < molz> ctrlbreak, don't raise your rates too high or you won't be able to route :P 
09:13 < ctrlbreak> well, I'm going to pick something between default and what LNBIG is using.
09:13 < ctrlbreak> ... because apparently I'm supposed to.
09:13 < molz> what's lnbig using?
09:14 < ctrlbreak> 0.000050 sat
09:22 < molz> ah      
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11:43 < ctrlbreak> molz.... yalls is currently at: 0.002500 sat
11:43 < ctrlbreak> !!     
11:44 < molz> lol     
11:44 < molz> i did pay a high fee to yalls, considered it as a donation :D
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11:45 < molz> but it was still not too high to me 
11:45 < ctrlbreak> well... I've finally created a proper config file for cLightning... turned off debug logging and upped my own fee rate slightly.
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11:45 < molz> how do you raise the fees on clightning?
11:46 < ctrlbreak> lightningd cli param: --fee-per-satoshi <arg>                     Microsatoshi fee for every satoshi in HTLC (default: 10)
11:46 < molz> ctrlbreak, don't you agree it's easier to run a lnd node? :) 
11:46 < ctrlbreak> or similar in conf.
11:46 < molz> ah ok
11:46 < ctrlbreak> fee-per-satoshi=42
11:46 < ctrlbreak> ... and yes... I do.
11:46 < ctrlbreak> It appears I can optionally specify the feerate on individual channels too...
11:47 < molz> it's easier to compile/setup/update a clightning node but after that you look at the listpeers interface..not sure how you feel but to me it's just ugly .. lol
11:47 < ctrlbreak> I might cooperatively close my own chan between my CL and LND nodes... and try creating a fresh one with absolute minimum fee... so how that behaves.
11:48 < ctrlbreak> *see
11:49 < molz> i haven't changed the fees on my CL nodes (testnet or mainnet) but i have done on my lnd nodes 
11:50 < molz> currently i wouldn't want to raise the fees too high
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11:52 < ctrlbreak> I just need to understand more to be able to balance my own channels :-S  Going to experiment.
12:01 < Veggen> molz: I have lowered my base fee but increased feerate.
12:03 < Veggen> low value transactions are super-cheap through my node, high-value end up costing more than standard.
12:03 < molz> yea, that's what everybody and their cat are doing now :P
12:03 < Veggen> not sure if it
12:03 < Veggen> works :)
12:04 < Veggen> don't route all that many transactions, but I know my tiny node is mostly a detour.
12:04 < molz> there's a node with the alias "starkness", the node has feerate at 1000000
12:04 < molz> it will never be able to route my payments
12:05 < Veggen> I know about it.
12:05 < ctrlbreak> hmmm... how can I determine the total balance spendable FROM my LND node on a given channel?  I can't seem to find what the reserve value is at...
12:05 < Veggen> reserve value is  1% of total capacity, I believe.
12:05 < molz> ctrlbreak, yea that's one thing lnd doesn't show in listchannels
12:05 < ctrlbreak> :-(     
12:05 < ctrlbreak> \fuk
12:05 < molz> hm i made an issue, someone said they would pick that up to code but never did
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12:06 < Veggen> not sure if we really have the value.
12:06 < Veggen> I think it's enforced by other node.
12:07 < Veggen> strictly speaking, other node implementations might have different percentage for reserve value?
12:12 < molz> no i don't think so
12:13 < ctrlbreak> I want to close and reopen from my CL node... but want to push the whole balance to CL before doing so (to test an optional feerate param)..
12:13 < ctrlbreak> oy... I'll see if I can calculate it from the CL side.
12:14 < ctrlbreak> yup... CL actually tells me both:
12:14 < ctrlbreak>           "their_channel_reserve_satoshis": 60000,
12:14 < ctrlbreak>           "our_channel_reserve_satoshis": 60000,
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12:18 < ctrlbreak> hmmm... turns out base fee and rate need to be taken into consideration (:-P) 
12:18 < ctrlbreak> HSWC: ChannelLink(554970:2552:0) Unable to handle downstream add HTLC: commitment transaction dips peer below chan reserve
12:19 < ctrlbreak> going to subtract 2 sats and see what happens. YOLO
12:20 < ctrlbreak> hmmm... nope.
12:25 < ctrlbreak> hmmm... I just took the local balance and subtracted 70,000 sats as opposed to the 60,000 indicated and was able to pay that invoice.
12:26 < ctrlbreak> hilariously, CL generated a warning that 'no channels had sufficient incomming funds' (or something to that effect).  TRUMP_WRONG.JPG
12:32 < ctrlbreak> With LND closechannel... do I just specific the channel point?
12:32 < ctrlbreak> errr.... lncli
12:32 < ctrlbreak> yup     
12:33 < ctrlbreak> yay! "CLOSINGD_SIGEXCHANGE:We agreed on a closing fee of 183 satoshi"
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12:47 < vindard> Had anyone else reviewed this repo or tried out the tool as yet? https://github.com/C-Otto/rebalance-lnd/
12:47 < vindard> Has*
12:49 < molz> vindard, yea
12:49 < molz> Paul on lnd slack tried it, he liked it
12:51 < qubenix> vindard: i just started playing with it on my testnet node. pretty cool. thanks for the link molz.
12:52 < molz> all my testnet nodes have too many channels because i'm testing autopilot 
12:52 < molz> i want to see if autopilot can stock up 700 channels for me :D
12:53 < molz> for each node
12:56 < vindard> molz, qubenix, good stuff... I'm looking to start messing around with it pretty soon as well. Been exploring proper channel balancing recently since watching Alex Bosworth's Chaincode Labs talk on YT
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14:44 < ctrlbreak> Ok...
14:44 < ctrlbreak> Can anyone give me a reality check here?
14:45 < ctrlbreak> base rate is the base cost (in SATS) for my node to relay a payment... correct?
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14:57 < ctrlbreak> Arggh... I can't figure out why I overpaid an invoice?!?
14:59 < qubenix> ctrlbreak: you have basefee and feerate, but not baserate.
15:00 < ctrlbreak> Sorry, yes... that's what I meant.  base fee
15:01 < qubenix> if you look at `lnd --help` they're both explained pretty well
15:02 < qubenix> not trying to be rude, but i couldn't explain them any better myself
15:04 < ctrlbreak> Gotcha.  That's what I thought they were... didn't hit me to check lnd's help.
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15:19 < ctrlbreak> Anyone willing to try and help me understand why I overpaid an invoice by an unexpected amount?
15:19 < ctrlbreak> 1 hop... between my own nodes.
15:19 < cluelessperson> where's the best way to track lightning's status and updates?
15:19 < cluelessperson> I can't spend all the time in this channel
15:20 < cluelessperson> I know that lightning is growing, which is good.
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18:29 < ctrlbreak> So, I'm able to use queryroutes to identify a *specific* route that I'd like to use to make a payment.  How do I ensure I use that specific route?
18:42 < ctrlbreak> anyone?
18:45 < ctrlbreak> I'm guessing there's no actual way to do this from the command line :-S...
18:46 < ctrlbreak> If anyone is curious, I have 2 LN nodes of my own here... and I have a few channels from each going to another common peer.  (i.e. - LNBIG established some large channels to one of my nodes, so I've opened "largish" channels back to a couple from my other node).
18:48 < ctrlbreak> Id like to construct a payment from my LND node, through LNBIG, and back to my older CL node... and try to improve my channel balance on both while doing so.
18:52 < ctrlbreak> kk... don't know github or python really, but I've forked rebalance-lnd.  Time to rek myself.
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21:13 < vindard> Ctrlbreak, there's `sendtoroute` command for lncli. Line 2193 here has a decent describe of how it works: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/2352918abb1b3179f2444c8942ed07da944da0db/cmd/lncli/commands.go
21:14 < vindard> Or you can do `$ lncli sendtoroute --help` fron your node for the instructions
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21:16 < vindard> If you're trying to rebalance with this command, roasbeef had a little description of how that works here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/1751#issuecomment-415263025
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